Popular Post Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 It's only natural for us to pound the table on the players who we were right about, but what are the draft prospects that we were all wrong about? I'm always interested in those types of stories (humbling). 5 players who I thought would become great and ended up far from what I expected/imagined: 1.) Darren McFadden. I remember heading into the 2008 draft I was so excited to potentially land McFadden. I was already disappointed before our Vernon Gholston pick because Darren went two picks earlier and crushed my draft day spirits; I was convinced he was the next NFL superstar RB and I don't believe he ever made a single All Pro team let alone a Pro Bowl selection. Wasn't what I expected him to be as an NFL player. 2.) Reggie Bush. I know we ended up landing D'Brickishaw Ferguson (2006) 4th overall but heading into the draft I was in my younger 20's (21) and would dream of Reggie Bush running in Green and White and was absolutely convinced he'd become my generations next Gayle Sayers. I fell for the ESPN hype. I was wrong. He was an amazing talent, wasn't a bust; but failed to meet expectations set by media hype and I'm now glad he went #2 overall allowing us to select Ferguson 4th (at the time I was disappointed). 3.) Percy Harvin. The year we selected Sanchez we were originally slotted to pick 17th overall and I had my mind and heart made up on Percy. As an FSU fan I couldn't believe how much I was gushing over a Florida Gator to become a Jet. I ignored all the migraine headache concerns and was 100% was convinced he'd become the most electric and most exciting offensive weapon of 2009's draft class. He had a nice 3-4 year run early on but afterwards completely fell off an NFL map. 4.). LaVar Arrington. I knew we had zero chance of drafting him as a Jet, went #2 overall but I remember being 15-16 and both my older brother and uncle (Penn State alumni) had me convinced I was watching the next version of Lawrence Taylor 2.0 on steroids coming out. We were all wrong he had like one or two good seasons but he was moreso Jordan Jenkins than L.T. 5.) Peter Warrick. Top 5 pick. I was new to Florida as a kid from Queens and a Freshman down here in HS 1999 I met a childhood friend who's parents would take us to every FSU game from St. Petersburg to Tallahassee and I instantly fell in love with FSU's atmosphere and have loved them ever since and Peter Warrick was electric and the talk of the town and I still to this day can't believe we never recorded a 1,000 yard receiving season I would've told you that you were nuts if you told me Coles would've became the much better NFL FSU WR because I rarely even remember his name being announced during those FSU games back then. Man was I wrong. 5 players who I thought would become busts but ended up becoming really good to great: 1.) Khalil Mack. I used the whole small school no player ever becomes great from Buffalo etc and he's made me look stupid from day one. 2.) Josh Allen. Once again. Not only did I use the whole small college program against him (Wyoming) but I harped all over his accuracy due to completion percentage and now look, 3rd year with a career completion percentage of 60.2% and here in 2020 damn near 70% @ 68.4 and his accuracy even on the run looks A+ to me; Buffalo got lucky here. 3.) Aaron Rodgers. I still to this day remember him dropping all the way into the bottom of the 1st round with cameras on him every time another team passed him. And then after 3 years of riding the bench I laughed @ the idea of him being able to replace Brett Favre heading into his 4th NFL season; and now 15 years later he's a 2x League MVP, SB winning MVP and owns the 2nd highest QB Rating of All-Time and future first ballot HOF QB; I was wrong as wrong could be. 4.) James Farrior. I never liked the Farrior pick. I was automatically disgusted when we traded out of the #1 pick and passed on Orlando Pace a player my older brother promised me would become a great Franchise LT so I hated the Farrior pick from day one. I believed his one good year with us was a fluke and would've never believed that he'd end up having the type of career he had in Pittsburgh with multiple pro bowls, multiple all pros, multiple SBs and almost 1,500 career tackles; never could've imagined it. 5.) Tom Brady. I didn't know too much about Tom Brady heading into the draft back then but still to this day I've never forgotten his first game. Me and my older brother were @ the Wing House watching the game (a couple years before we ordered Direct TV's NFL Sunday Ticket down here in Florida to watch all our Jet games) and after Drew Bledsoe got injured (I'll never root for a player injury) but me and my older brother were so pumped up about watching us take out NE's starting QB while being replaced by a 6th round QB to the point of high fiving one another; and if you would've told us back then, that he'd go onto win 6 SBs while going down as the greatest QB to ever play the position? We both probably would've laughed @ you back on 9-23-2001; man oh man were we wrong about the 6th rounder. Just wanted to discuss something different other than Gase, Sam and how bad our 2020 Jets have been etc; anxious to see other JN Draft Guro's hot takes on players heading into previous drafts. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 Josh Allen for sure. I still can’t believe he turned out to be good. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 Sam Darnold. ? I think my exact quote in the draft day thread when he dropped to 3 and the Jets got him was "God has finally smiled on the Jets." 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Sam Darnold. ? I think my exact quote in the draft day thread when he dropped to 3 and the Jets got him was "God has finally smiled on the Jets." I always wonder where he would’ve been picked if we had stayed at 6, does someone jump to 3 for him? Did the teams that took Rosen and Allen still take Rosen and Allen. Never know what we do know is 2 teams took a hard pass. Both teams that needed or were gonna need QBs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 So, so many. I think one of the more recent ones is Kyler Murray. Thought he was too small. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 My biggest oofs.. Josh Rosen DeShaun Kizer Barkevious Mingo Sammy Watkins Austin Sefarian-Jenkins Leonard Fournette Players I were low on who ended up doing better than I thought Ryan Tannehill Le'veon Bell Derrick Henry Mike Evans Christian McCaffrey Josh Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said: I always wonder where he would’ve been picked if we had stayed at 6, does someone jump to 3 for him? Did the teams that took Rosen and Allen still take Rosen and Allen. Never know what we do know is 2 teams took a hard pass. Both teams that needed or were gonna need QBs In all fairness, it seems the Giants were gonna pick Barkley no matter what. They were still content with Manning during that time. Browns ended up going with Mayfield due to more of his brash attitude, and something they needed at that time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Sam Darnold Josh Allen Matt Leinart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Ryan Leaf. I was convinced that he was a better player than Peyton Manning. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan4life90 said: In all fairness, it seems the Giants were gonna pick Barkley no matter what. They were still content with Manning during that time. Browns ended up going with Mayfield due to more of his brash attitude, and something they needed at that time. Giants we’re definitely enamored with Barkley I agree, but what we don’t know is if there was a QB prospect there that they loved also. If they were lukewarm on all 4, that made the decision even easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addage Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Ryan Leaf. I was convinced that he was a better player than Peyton Manning. I did as well. In our defense ...Leaf’s issues were more personal rather than athletic. The tools were there, the brain wasn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paradis Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, King P said: My biggest oofs.. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Jeff George. Thought he was the 2nd coming of Marino. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetty Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I’ll keep it more recent. First is Josh Rosen. I was never particularly high on Sam but I could've sworn Josh Rosen would be elite. I honestly don’t know how he has been so bad. On the flip side I thought Becton would be a project. Boy was I wrong. We really solidified the LT for the next 10+ years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 it's time I whipped it out on the table... stay tuned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I was pissed when we didn't take Rosen. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Sam Darnold. ? I think my exact quote in the draft day thread when he dropped to 3 and the Jets got him was "God has finally smiled on the Jets." Yes. As soon as the Cleveland Browns selected Baker Mayfield i told myself Browns being the Browns again and immediately started to dream of Sam Darnold a Jet. Heading into the draft I thought we had a 0.0% chance of drafting Sam because I was absolutely convinced he'd go #1 overall and the player who i really wanted was Saquon Barkley he was by far my favorite offensive talent because outside of Sam I wasn't sold on any of the other QB's. This was a post I created in 2017 before the 2018 NCAA season began... "If it's true that Darnold, Allen & Rosen are all three top 5 picks, then a player such as Barkley out of PSU can fall right into our NY's lap; especially if Arden Key out of LSU lives up to his top 5 draft hype as a deadly edge and OLB pass rusher. And if Lamar Jackson out of Louisville also dominates the ACC as a Heisman hopeful. All of this could pave the way for this PSU back. I loved Zeke coming out and I was gushing over the thought of Fournette. But there is just something truly special about Barkley that i absolutely love and really couldn't imagine seeing him in Green and White. As a must watch Freshman he earned All-Big Ten Second team honors after rushing for 1,076 yards off 182 carries for an average of 5.9 yards per carry to go along with 7 rushing TD's and 20 receptions for 161 receiving yards. Last year as a Sophmore he earned All-Big Ten First team, Big Ten Running Back of the Year and Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year award honors all while PSU claimed the Big Ten Championship after rushing for 1,496 yards off of 272 carries for an average of 5.5 yards per carry to go along with 18 rushing TD's, 28 receptions for 402 receiving yards and 5 TD receptions. During his 1st two seasons this kid has combined for 2,572 rushing yards off an average of 5.6 yards per carry, 25 rushing TD's, 48 receptions for 563 receiving yards and 5 TD receptions. That's a combined 3,135 offensive yards and 30 TD's from the line of scrimmage. Scary. This Barkley kid is an electric playmaker and an offensive game changer. Barkley, to me; is already a can't miss 2018 blue chip prospect who can change the entire culture of an NFL's offensive attack just by having his God gifted talents coming out of your backfield. Now I'm not saying that he's Barry Sanders 2.0 Jr. in the makings but is what i am saying, is that in terms of his style of rush he's the closest thing that I've personally ever seen to Barry since #20 himself in regards to his shifty elusiveness and ability to stop, cut on the dime and change of direction with explosiveness. His natural athletism is off the richter scale. My pick is already in. And I want Saquon Barkley". I was wrong in the essence because we never had a prayer @ Barkley because the kid went #2 overall (unheard of for RBs these days) but I knew I was watching future greatness as I watched Barkley throughout his NCAA career and his first two NFL seasons before his 3rd year ACL were absolutely and downright freakishly dominant but Barkley really messed me up mentally because heading into the Rose Bowl (he was amazing) I entered the game as a Barkley fan and left a Sam Darnold dreamer (I hope he fully recovers from ACL surgery because if so he's a future HOF RB). But yes. I was absolutely fooled about Sam Darnold and made myself a promise that I'll never let the media hype me up about a single bowl game performance ever again; because the only reason Sam went so high was because of one Rose Bowl performance as a true Freshman and because of that; we were all tricked and because of that Rose bowl performance all of us Jet fans ignored his red flags such as A.) Fumbling/INT USC turnover machine. B.) Lack of QB experience coming out and C.) Mechanical/release concerns etc. Sam is why I now love Trevor Lawrence. Trevor isn't hyped up because of a single bowl game as Darnold was; Trevor is rated as the #1 QB prospect dating back to Elway/Manning due to his full body of work dating back to HIGH SCHOOL and like Barkley I've been in absolute awe of his dominance and is a can not miss Franchise QB. People think it's weird to look at NCAA's QB's High School statistical production but I don't because when you compare Sam's HS numbers to Trevor's HS numbers you begin to realize why Sam Darnold was never ranked as the #1 QB prospect heading into college (he wasn't even rated as a top 300 player All-Time within the Country coming out) in comparison to Trevor who was the 6th rated prospect (of any position) All-Time heading into Clemson. HS to NCAA before the NFL is a timeline and one that Macc and Jet fans both disregarded because now thinking back Sam wasn't worthy of a top 10 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, section314 said: Jeff George. Thought he was the 2nd coming of Marino. he was still really good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, section314 said: Jeff George. Thought he was the 2nd coming of Marino. JG is a legend in my books. Jeff's ego was fueld by his howitzer arm. He would confidently throw on his backfoot 50 yards into triple coverage - and fully expect his guy to come down with it. Love that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Tavon Austin. Thought he would be a star 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Josh Allen for sure. I still can’t believe he turned out to be good. Me neither. From an unheard of Wyoming program with a career NCAA completion percentage of 56.2% which had me seriously doubting his accuracy to now an NFL career completion percentage of 60.5 and during his 3rd season an eye opening and mind boggling completion percentage of 68.8%?!?!? And I couldn't care less about Buffalo giving him weapons to become successful with in Diggs etc because coming out of Wyoming you could've given him Randy Moss, Terrell Owens and Marvin Harrison as a trio of WR's and I still would've thought his accuracy wouldn't have been good enough to even get the the football within a proximity to make catches. Josh Allen I was 100% and completely wrong about in regards to his accuracy. Both Trey Lance (N. Dakota State) and Zach Wilson (BYU) are two QBs I don't believe in because of the lack of strength of scheduling and opponent's they've played against on an NCAA level however Josh Allen is a prime example on why I won't discredit Jet fans who are absolutely in love with these kid QBs as prospects. I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole but that doesn't mean I'll be right (in the long run). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 55 minutes ago, King P said: My biggest oofs.. Josh Rosen DeShaun Kizer Barkevious Mingo Sammy Watkins Austin Sefarian-Jenkins Leonard Fournette Players I were low on who ended up doing better than I thought Ryan Tannehill Le'veon Bell Derrick Henry Mike Evans Christian McCaffrey Josh Allen I wouldn't consider Sammy Watkins as an oof pick whatsoever. He was one of my favorite 2014 WR draft prospects myself and he's a big reason (along with Tyreek Hill/Travis Kelce/Andy Reid) why Patrick Mahomes was drafted into QB heaven because he's already recorded 309 career receptions, 4,504 receiving yards, 33 TD receptions and a SB champion as a starting NFL WR. And he was also physically unstoppable during last year's 2019 SB run throughout the AFC Championship Game and SB (combined 2 GM's) recording 12 receptions for 212 receiving yards and 1 TD reception (I don't think Mahomes/KC wins a SB without him). He's still only 27 years of age too and if JD misses out on the likes of Allen Robinson, JuJu Smith Schuster and Chris Godwin? Sammy Watkins is the next WR who I want while lining up all over the offense opposite of Denzel Mims as an experienced game breaker of a WR for a young Trevor Lawrence (the Clemson Connection). I'd love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Larz said: Tavon Austin. Thought he would be a star Damn I forgot about him. Me too! He was the offensive weapon I was craving for heading into 2013's draft. We picked 9th and I remember I was absolutely disgusted when he was selected 1 pick before us @ 8th overall and drafting Dee Milliner at the time was such a disappoint to me after having my mind and heart made up on Tavon Austin (I was confident he'd become the next Santana Moss). What made it even worse was Tavon was the reason I thought we had something in Geno (teammates at WV) and wanted to convince myself after missing out on Tavon Austin that Geno Smith was the driving force behind Tavon's electric success wow was I wrong (about both). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 I thought Metcalf was an injury prone, workout warrior, one trick pony. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 55 minutes ago, munchmemory said: I was pissed when we didn't take Rosen. Me too. I thought Darnold turned the ball over too much, I also thought Josh Allen was too inaccurate. I also thought DK Metcalf wasn't going to do much. If he was that big and strong in college, why didn't he produce in college? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said: I wouldn't consider Sammy Watkins as an oof pick whatsoever. He was one of my favorite 2014 WR draft prospects myself and he's a big reason (along with Tyreek Hill/Travis Kelce/Andy Reid) why Patrick Mahomes was drafted into QB heaven because he's already recorded 309 career receptions, 4,504 receiving yards, 33 TD receptions and a SB champion as a starting NFL WR. And he was also physically unstoppable during last year's 2019 SB run throughout the AFC Championship Game and SB (combined 2 GM's) recording 12 receptions for 212 receiving yards and 1 TD reception (I don't think Mahomes/KC wins a SB without him). He's still only 27 years of age too and if JD misses out on the likes of Allen Robinson, JuJu Smith Schuster and Chris Godwin? Sammy Watkins is the next WR who I want while lining up all over the offense opposite of Denzel Mims as an experienced game breaker of a WR for a young Trevor Lawrence (the Clemson Connection). I'd love him. Watkins also had that bad food injury. His first 2 years in Buffalo he had just over 2000 yards and 15 touchdowns, that's not a bad start to a career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, PS17 said: I thought Metcalf was an injury prone, workout warrior, one trick pony. This kid has turned into what looks like the new Megatron. That big with all his speed? Geez that's insane. Would not want to be a corner putting in a shoulder on a tackle when he has a full head of steam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I thought Brady Quinn was going to be a FQB, thought we dodged a bullet when Miami picked Ginn. I also thought Rick Mirer was going to be better than Bledsoe. As far as Jets go, I thought Marvin Jones was going to be what Ray Lewis turned out to be. Also thought Darnold was a sure thing. Josh Allen I thought would bust. Looks like the real deal, but I still think his style of play might get him killed at some point. Curious on how he will look over the long run, he's playing with an all start team right now. What happens when contracts start to come up and pieces aren't replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 the majority of my predictions have been gold -sadly most times fans do know better the one pick I was wrong on was Paxton Lynch-I figured Elway knew what he was talking about and I drank the cool aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, munchmemory said: This kid has turned into what looks like the new Megatron. That big with all his speed? Geez that's insane. Would not want to be a corner putting in a shoulder on a tackle when he has a full head of steam. You know what's scary? He's 6'4 and runs a 4.33 40. Denzel Mims is 6'3 and runs a 4.38 40. DK has Russell Wilson compared to Denzel who's had Flacco/Darnold. Give Denzel Mims a Trevor Lawrence and watch him develop into one of the most dominant outside receivers within Jets Franchise History; I'm already convinced he's a top 5 future NFL WR freak of nature; I couldn't imagine him with a strong armed Russel Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, kmnj said: the majority of my predictions have been gold -sadly most times fans do know better the one pick I was wrong on was Paxton Lynch-I figured Elway knew what he was talking about and I drank the cool aid All these years later throughout watching multiple NFL drafts and you can only name us 1 Paxton Lynch example? You're telling me you can't create a list of 5 player's who you've loved who ended up busting and/or 5 players you overlooked who became awesome? And you expect me to believe that? Humble yourself young man... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Defense Wins Championships said: All these years later throughout watching multiple NFL drafts and you can only name us 1 Paxton Lynch example? You're telling me you can't create a list of 5 player's who you've loved who ended up busting and/or 5 players you overlooked who became awesome? And you expect me to believe that? Humble yourself young man... yep- I can also tell you I was one of the people cheering on the jets as a kid in person at the draft to take Marino and screaming at the top of my lungs Sapp Sapp Sapp I was wrong on Lynch and wrong on McCarthy as a coach-he is horrible but I didnt see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, jmat321 said: I thought Brady Quinn was going to be a FQB, thought we dodged a bullet when Miami picked Ginn. I also thought Rick Mirer was going to be better than Bledsoe. As far as Jets go, I thought Marvin Jones was going to be what Ray Lewis turned out to be. Also thought Darnold was a sure thing. Josh Allen I thought would bust. Looks like the real deal, but I still think his style of play might get him killed at some point. Curious on how he will look over the long run, he's playing with an all start team right now. What happens when contracts start to come up and pieces aren't replaced? I thought Marvin Jones would be amazing. He wasn't a bust, but he wasn't what I thought he would be. I wan't a huge Quinn fan, I just didn't think he was that accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Off the top of my head, 5 players I thought would easily pan out, but didn't: 1) Josh Rosen 2) Aaron Curry 3) Chance Warmack 4) Marcus Mariota 5) Calvin Pryor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I'd have an easier time remembering the few I was right about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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