GreekJet Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Many teams are going to be cap strapped this offseason. Are they really going to be lining up to trade a draft pick and take on 10MM salary for a backup QB? There will be a few teams like the Colts who can afford it, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. The Jets may very well decide to just keep Darnold as a backup rather than take the cap hit in trading him. I’d feel terrible for him if that’s the case. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, GreekJet said: Many teams are going to be cap strapped this offseason. Are they really going to be lining up to trade a draft pick and take on 10MM salary for a backup QB? There will be a few teams like the Colts who can afford it, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. The Jets may very well decide to just keep Darnold as a backup rather than take the cap hit in trading him. I’d feel terrible for him if that’s the case. First off, Darnold is still a very good prospect. He is still young, and whether any here wants to admit it, many people know what a disgrace it was the way the Jets handled him. He certainly is not looked at as unsalvageable so there will be teams that will be looking to trade for him, even a high pick like a second rounder as he is a better prospect than you can get in the second. As far as what he gets offered, I think he gets backup money with a chance to elevate to starter money . Anyone trading for him is going to trade for him to start. Looking back on this, the whole Darnold thing makes very upset . I have no faith Lawrence or Fields will be any better 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KRL Posted December 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 They'll be able to trade him, we just may not get what we want for him. I'm sure Douglas is looking for a #1 or #2 but at best I see a #3 at this point 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GreekJet Posted December 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: First off, Darnold is still a very good prospect. He is still young, and whether any here wants to admit it, many people know what a disgrace it was the way the Jets handled him. He certainly is not looked at as unsalvageable so there will be teams that will be looking to trade for him, even a high pick like a second rounder as he is a better prospect than you can get in the second. As far as what he gets offered, I think he gets backup money with a chance to elevate to starter money . Anyone trading for him is going to trade for him to start. Looking back on this, the whole Darnold thing makes very upset . I have no faith Lawrence or Fields will be any better The idea of Sam Darnold is better than the actual player 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Many teams are going to be cap strapped this offseason. Are they really going to be lining up to trade a draft pick and take on 10MM salary for a backup QB? There will be a few teams like the Colts who can afford it, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. The Jets may very well decide to just keep Darnold as a backup rather than take the cap hit in trading him. I’d feel terrible for him if that’s the case. Why would anyone believe that Darnold is getting or looking for a 10 mm salary? Hes going to get a short term, cheap deal to prove hes still that prospect teams think he is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Why would anyone believe that Darnold is getting or looking for a 10 mm salary? Hes going to get a short term, cheap deal to prove hes still that prospect teams think he is He’s on the books for 10MM next year. You think he’s going to take a pay cut? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, KRL said: They'll be able to trade him, we just may not get what we want for him. I'm sure Douglas is looking for a #1 or #2 but at best I see a #3 at this point Based on his play this season I would agree. However, “The Adam Gase Effect” is no myth. Look at all of the offensive players that have flourished on different teams since breaking free of this weirdo. Best case in point, Ryan Tannehill...who looks like a top 10 QB the last 2 seasons. Considering Darnold’s age + skillset I think a 2 and a late rounder will get a deal done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Many teams are going to be cap strapped this offseason. Are they really going to be lining up to trade a draft pick and take on 10MM salary for a backup QB? There will be a few teams like the Colts who can afford it, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. The Jets may very well decide to just keep Darnold as a backup rather than take the cap hit in trading him. I’d feel terrible for him if that’s the case. Any team trading for Sam will be paying 1 year $1m, not $10m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, GreekJet said: He’s on the books for 10MM next year. You think he’s going to take a pay cut? If Sam is traded the contract will be worked as part of the deal. The Jets will have to pay at least part of the signing and roster bonuses. His salary is under 1 MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 This is a very very likely scenario .. Darnold's value is in the red. He will be the backup. He may even begin the season as the starter until our Feanchise QB is ready. Many teams are going to be cap strapped this offseason. Are they really going to be lining up to trade a draft pick and take on 10MM salary for a backup QB? There will be a few teams like the Colts who can afford it, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. The Jets may very well decide to just keep Darnold as a backup rather than take the cap hit in trading him. I’d feel terrible for him if that’s the case. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Why would anyone believe that Darnold is getting or looking for a 10 mm salary? Hes going to get a short term, cheap deal to prove hes still that prospect teams think he is but then no one is giving up high picks for a guy they only trust to give short term money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: but then no one is giving up high picks for a guy they only trust to give short term money. No, they'll give picks for the potential he showed in college and the low $$ investment who's only 23 or 24 years old. Someone looking for a QB, if they liked Sam just 3 years ago might but the circumstances have to be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 At this point anyone believing in Darnold doesn’t know football and I’ll just thumb down and keep it moving... Trash franchises fantasize about what trash players could be based on “end of the year” runs all the time, the same end of the year that’s filled with injuries and teams resting for the playoffs. And that’s all I hear with these “I feel bad for a young millionaire because HE CANT PLAY” people, hanging on Darnolds end of the f***** season games. what a joke of a franchise, I HATE NE AND BILL BELILCHEAT but he has made a career finessing idiot franchises, who think in this same exact way and fall for these fools gold players. sam is a bust accept it and move on, Christ 2 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 i could be wrong but at this point his floor value is a 3rd round comp pick if he gets signed as a free agent after next season. of course that also means he's the starter. i think he has some trade value just not at a first round level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Any team trading for Sam will be paying 1 year $1m, not $10m. Wouldn't it actually be us picking up his 5th year option and then trading him? I think that's how it normally works out in these scenarios right? Doesnt that become an incentive for the team trading for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted December 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, GreekJet said: He’s on the books for 10MM next year. You think he’s going to take a pay cut? $3.8M in roster bonus, due the fifth day of the league year, and $4.6M in guaranteed salary. If money's the issue, the Jets could eat the bonus and trade him after that fifth day. They're going to be able to trade him, though, that's not an issue. All it takes is one team that thinks they can do a better job with Darnold than the Jets have done, and there are probably 31 such teams (and they're all right). 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 48 minutes ago, oatmeal said: At this point anyone believing in Darnold doesn’t know football and I’ll just thumb down and keep it moving... Trash franchises fantasize about what trash players could be based on “end of the year” runs all the time, the same end of the year that’s filled with injuries and teams resting for the playoffs. And that’s all I hear with these “I feel bad for a young millionaire because HE CANT PLAY” people, hanging on Darnolds end of the f***** season games. what a joke of a franchise, I HATE NE AND BILL BELILCHEAT but he has made a career finessing idiot franchises, who think in this same exact way and fall for these fools gold players. sam is a bust accept it and move on, Christ Sam is a bust on the Jets but Miami saw Tanny as a bust and I believe they outright released him. You think Miami fans are happy about that? The fact is Sams time on the Jets is over. There has been too much damage done. We had him playing with horrible skill players and no OL his entire time here and has had to play with a HC that thinks the best play on 2nd and 10 is to run a nearly 40 year old RB into the A gap and lies about who is calling the plays. If you think Lawrence or.Fields will.be better under these conditions, I have some ocean front property I think you.would be interested in in Nebraska . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PCP63 Posted December 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Sam is a bust on the Jets but Miami saw Tanny as a bust and I believe they outright released him. You think Miami fans are happy about that? The fact is Sams time on the Jets is over. There has been too much damage done. We had him playing with horrible skill players and no OL his entire time here and has had to play with a HC that thinks the best play on 2nd and 10 is to run a nearly 40 year old RB into the A gap and lies about who is calling the plays. If you think Lawrence or.Fields will.be better under these conditions, I have some ocean front property I think you.would be interested in in Nebraska . Enough with the scapegoating. The Jets suck, and Darnold sucks. They're not mutually-exclusive. A bad OL doesn't make Sam make boneheaded decisions even when he has a clean pocket, nor does a terrible HC. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Keep Darnold. We gave up the farm for him, no point sending him off in the post Adam Garbage era. If the new HC/OC can salvage his career, what’s the harm in having the Brees/Rivers situation? If Sam turns it up a few notches, tag and trade since we wouldn’t be picking up his 5th year option. He still brings a lot of potential that a good coach can get out of him that can salvage his career. Geno is still in the league so there is plenty of hope. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL047 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 The Jets will never receive a first or second round pick for Sam Darnold!!!! The most they will get is a late round pick for him nothing else because he is considered damage goods. The Jets have two options if there is nobody interested in making a trade. 1) Keep him as a backup because his contract expires at the end of the season. 2) Cut him!!! (Which most teams will wait until that happens to sign Darnold) Those are the only options currently for the Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Sam is a bust on the Jets but Miami saw Tanny as a bust and I believe they outright released him. You think Miami fans are happy about that? The fact is Sams time on the Jets is over. There has been too much damage done. We had him playing with horrible skill players and no OL his entire time here and has had to play with a HC that thinks the best play on 2nd and 10 is to run a nearly 40 year old RB into the A gap and lies about who is calling the plays. If you think Lawrence or.Fields will.be better under these conditions, I have some ocean front property I think you.would be interested in in Nebraska . Before you regurgitate talking points from “draft experts” who had Darnold as “the best QB in the draft” check the facts 1. Ryan looked lightyears better than Darnold in MIA than Sam has ever looked here. 2. Him and the hated Gase actually did make the playoffs so while I know it’s the popular thing right now to pity a young millionaire qb scrub and to bash Gase but let’s keep this factual and quite frankly it’s disrespectful to compare Sam to MIA Ryan sorry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, PCP63 said: Enough with the scapegoating. The Jets suck, and Darnold sucks. They're not mutually-exclusive. A bad OL doesn't make Sam make boneheaded decisions even when he has a clean pocket, nor does a terrible HC. No, that is bad coaching. That is not.preparing your QB. That is playing behind an OL where you are running for your life for so long, you don't trust the protection will hold up and you run before you have to. We saw this with Ken O'Brien and Texan fans saw this with Carr. Sam has bad habits. Nobody denies that. Running right and throwing left, not having his feet set before a throw, locking on a WR, but the Jets have done nothing to help him. Zero. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jet2020 said: Keep Darnold. We gave up the farm for him, no point sending him off in the post Adam Garbage era. If the new HC/OC can salvage his career, what’s the harm in having the Brees/Rivers situation? If Sam turns it up a few notches, tag and trade since we wouldn’t be picking up his 5th year option. He still brings a lot of potential that a good coach can get out of him that can salvage his career. Geno is still in the league so there is plenty of hope. I disagree. Sam may become a good QB but not on the Jets . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Before you regulate talking points from “draft experts” who had Darnold as “the best QB in the draft” check the facts 1. Ryan looked lightyears better than Darnold in MIA than Sam has ever looked here. 2. Him and the hated Gase actually did make the playoffs so while I know it’s the popular thing right now to pity a young millionaire qb scrub and to bash Gase but let’s keep this factual and quite frankly it’s disrespectful to compare Sam to MIA Ryan sorry Sam played better as a rookie under Bowles and played better last season than he is now. This season, for whatever reaon, he has regressed to bust status under Gase. If you think the team takes no responsibility for that and it is just Darnold being bad, and had we drafted Allen or Jackson who are on their way to being successful that things would be different, you are about the most unrealistic of us all. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, KRL said: They'll be able to trade him, we just may not get what we want for him. I'm sure Douglas is looking for a #1 or #2 but at best I see a #3 at this point depends who gets in on him. Colts, Steelers, 9ers are all probably going to have interest.. Throw Detroit into the mix if Stafford is moved and they're out of running for one of the top guys. Dallas could jump into the mix as well, maybe even minnesota. There are actually a lot of QB needy teams, or teams that have an aging vet that wont be in the running for a QB they feel good about. For the right price you can get a top 3 pick QB that many feel is just ruined by a bad supporting cast and poor coaching. Those first three teams make the most sense as Sam can go and sit behind a veteran, have an excellent HC and really good Supporting cast around him. Detroit ive heard mentioned but dont buy into. Dallas i buy as a dark horse, same with minnesota. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Hold onto to him if you don’t get what you want Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I hope sam goes to another team and does what tannyhill has done sam was done dirty by joe and gase he is still very young and most thought he was a franchise qb when drafted 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Darnold will essentially be a Josh Rosen clone: Arizona / NYJ Miami / Chicago Tampa Bay / LA Rams Hope he saved that fat cash. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Douglas has received significantly more in trade than expected for just about every player he dealt. If Darnold is traded I think we still get a late 1st. A team like PIT for exampleSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 With how he’s playing. I think we’re looking at a 3rd or 4th rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 IMO Douglas will hold out for whatever he values Darnold at. That's been his history. Look at the "Prez". If he doesn't get it, Darnold will stay with the Jets. Might not be a bad idea. The Jets have the resourses to re-build a lot of the team. if Douglas is who we hope he is this will be a much better team, but they will not have played together. Assuming they get Lawrence it probably won't be a bad idea to let Lawrence sit for awhile until he gets used to the speed, and style of the NFL, while the new players get in sinc as a team.. Darnold will look better behind a better team, and raise his trade value. Lawrence won't be thrown to the lions with a team that are not familiar with one another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 the Jets have no leverage everyone in the league knows they have to cut him at some point what's the value for a broken QB who can't function at any basic level? 3rd rounder would be lucky maybe a conditional 2nd>? Maybe not they should have traded him before the season the one guy they actually should have traded to use a high first, 3 2nds and have to trade this guy for peanuts is sickening 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Wow, it's just amazing how all of a sudden 90% of the posters here agree Sam is a bust. I'm someone who only accepted this recently (last game or so). Frankly it's a relief to have this "is he isn't he" question behind me. Next year is going to be sooo awesome with Sam and Gase both gone and fans able to get back on the Jets bandwagon. "Can't wait" (ty Bard Scott); (ty Rex Ryan for those 2 great years) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCoastJetsFan Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Let me play devil's advocate here. Let's say that I am a NFL GM (yuk yuk yuk). I know that you're going to draft Lawrence or Fields. Why on earth would I give anything more than than a 4th round pick for someone I know that you are eventually going to have to release? They are not going to keep both Sam and the drafted QB. The thought that you are still going to get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Sam is ludicrous. If Douglas pulls that off, I want to see his wand and his cape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 JD has proven to be a savvy trader, I expect they will dangle Darnold out there between teams who are unsure of their QB's (Denver, Chicago) and maybe to some of those situations where the future is coming sooner rather than later (Steelers, Colts, Saints) and that there will be a coach who thinks they can "fix Darnold" based on his Rose Bowl tape. A 3rd rounder is probably a safe bet, but I wouldn't be shocked if JD pulls a rabbit out of his hat with a 2 and a 5 or something along those lines. Maybe a 2 and a player even on a cap strapped team (Steelers/Saints). Tannehill at his worst in Miami was far better than Darnold, so those with sour feelings about the Jets management pining their hopes on a turnaround somewhere else are in for a surprise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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