Maxman Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Dunnie said: He was scouted as an elite prospect ... here is a link to Walter Football's report on Sam ... Nothing has improved except his fumbling woes. One of the most damaging weaknesses he has not overcome... "Needs to start games faster" So you admit he has improved in some areas? J\K. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, oatmeal said: So let me get this st8, everyone is angry that’s critical of Sams POOR play but you the big man on campus, calling everyone “bitches”, isn’t? A++++++++++++ logic guy I just don't understand the scorn that some of you have. No one is rooting harder for us to lose every game the rest of the way, but I also understand that whether he's just not good enough or he was ****ed by this organization or any combination of both that "Get the **** out" doesn't seem to be a rational or even intelligent way to express something. It's just ugly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And that school of thought is both wrong and irrelevant. Joe Douglas is taking a new QB in the 2021 draft whether you like it or not. At which point it only makes logical sense to trade Darnold for the best pick he can get. We have no idea what Douglass is thinking. There's a chance he's of the school of thought mentioned in my post. If thats the case,Darnold is our QB next year. Like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: What are "Sam's strengths"? Improvisation, throwing well on the run, handling uptempo offense well. My point was he had many known flaws coming out in the draft. The team did nothing to build around what he does well. They went in the opposite direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Just so that everyone is clear, when you edit a post the first version of that post is still something that Admins can read. I am going to walk the other way but SMH at some of these edits. Be better. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Maxman said: NFL scouts probably watch every game though. And they all had him going 1, 2 or 3 that year. Exactly. And they we're all aware of the flaws,and felt they were minor.However, being drafted. Into the Jet's environment, and what has happened since, he's developed other bad habits. Can a real HC and more studs on offense fix that? I don't know. It's a tough question for JD to answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Maxman said: Just so that everyone is clear, when you edit a post the first version of that post is still something that Admins can read. I am going to walk the other way but SMH at some of these edits. Be better. It would be hard to believe how many of these are second drafts if he wasn't so slow about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said: It would be hard to believe how many of these are second drafts if he wasn't so slow about it. Give me your number. I'll call you personally. We can save Phil the agita. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Give me your number. I'll call you personally. We can save Phil the agita. Can you add me on three way? I need to hear what you say to this rabble rouser! I bet you give him his comeuppance!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, TeddEY said: Can you add me on three way? I need to hear what you say to this rabble rouser! I bet you give him his comeuppance!!! LMAO Don't you start now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetPotato Posted December 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: So the legacy of Gase will be: Ridding us of Maccagnan Landing us the # 1 (or 2) pick in the 2021 draft Helping Douglad recoup a high pick for Darnold in a trade thanks to his own ineptitude Build. The. Statue. It will definitely be one of those statues where the eyes follow you no matter where you are in the room 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes because Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg went on to great success elsewhere. And you feel confident in this organization's ability to develop talent? Particularly in the qb area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, genot said: We have no idea what Douglass is thinking. There's a chance he's of the school of thought mentioned in my post. If thats the case,Darnold is our QB next year. Like it or not. No, there's no chance. You're living in a fairy tale right now if you think Douglas hasn't moved on from Darnold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said: Improvisation, throwing well on the run, handling uptempo offense well. My point was he had many known flaws coming out in the draft. The team did nothing to build around what he does well. They went in the opposite direction. He's thrown poorly on the run this season (one of his pick 6's against the Colts was on the run. He also took a sack out of bounds against the Bills despite Crowder being wide open) and I have not seen him perform well in uptempo 2-minute situations, either. His improvisation does sometimes lead to positive results, and a few impressive throws, yes. But his improvisation also leads him to throw across his body into traffic, or off his back foot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, peebag said: And you feel confident in this organization's ability to develop talent? Particularly in the qb area? No, but I feel much less confident in this org's ability to IDENTIFY talent, pre-Douglas. You can't develop dogsh*t players, and that's what the Jets have drafted for the last 2 decades, outside of the 2006-07 drafts: Dogsh*t. If the Jets were so bad at developing talent over the years, we'd be seeing lots of players going on to great success elsewhere. Over the last 2+ decades that list is James Farrior, Danny Woodhead and Demario Davis. That's it. And not one QB on the list. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said: I just don't understand the scorn that some of you have. No one is rooting harder for us to lose every game the rest of the way, but I also understand that whether he's just not good enough or he was ****ed by this organization or any combination of both that "Get the **** out" doesn't seem to be a rational or even intelligent way to express something. It's just ugly. Why don't you GTFO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 He’s not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Losmeister said: considering how rare we've seen a throw like that fromSam?..it was lucky. Think about how much of a let down a player has to be when the highlight of his football career, is a single college game he played years ago. It really makes the “I’m scared to pick Justin” crowd look foolish, Darnold wasn’t half the QB Justin is at college. Confused and batterd fan base we are ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 If the Jets dont end up with the first pick overall I think it would be worth holding onto Sam and trying to fix him. He played better under Bowles and is still a better option than Fields or any QB not named TLSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, oatmeal said: Think about how much of a let down a player has to be when the highlight of his football career, is a single college game he played years ago. It really makes the “I’m scared to pick Justin” crowd look foolish, Darnold wasn’t half the QB Justin is at college. Confused and batterd fan base we are ? boom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 The “he doesn't get any easy completions” is hard to swallow when he’s missing “easy completions” opportunities on guys who are wide open. If he was hitting those with the ease he should be hitting them, then such a statement could be made. Otherwise it’s just a made-up excuse. Just like the idea that the Jets did nothing to develop him. What exactly would that look like to those holding this opinion? It’s a circular rationale that stipulates if the player doesn’t develop into a good QB then the Jets didn’t do anything to develop him. I have difficulty accepting the team just left him on his own to develop himself. I’m totally unimpressed with Gase, but c’mon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: The “he doesn't get any easy completions” is hard to swallow when he’s missing “easy completions” opportunities on guys who are wide open. If he was hitting those with the ease he should be hitting them, then such a statement could be made. Otherwise it’s just a made-up excuse. Just like the idea that the Jets did nothing to develop him. What exactly would that look like to those holding this opinion? It’s a circular rationale that stipulates if the player doesn’t develop into a good QB then the Jets didn’t do anything to develop him. I have difficulty accepting the team just left him on his own to develop himself. I’m totally unimpressed with Gase, but c’mon. Well they could hire a QB coach for one. This way Sam has someone to talk to when Adam and Dowell are both not calling the plays. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Jake ran a bit more, but I think they play very similarly. Snake>Darnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: The “he doesn't get any easy completions” is hard to swallow when he’s missing “easy completions” opportunities on guys who are wide open. If he was hitting those with the ease he should be hitting them, then such a statement could be made. Otherwise it’s just a made-up excuse. Just like the idea that the Jets did nothing to develop him. What exactly would that look like to those holding this opinion? It’s a circular rationale that stipulates if the player doesn’t develop into a good QB then the Jets didn’t do anything to develop him. I have difficulty accepting the team just left him on his own to develop himself. I’m totally unimpressed with Gase, but c’mon. Yeah, this. I’ve said it many times over the years, but the criticisms of our various coaches rely on the premise that they don’t understand even basic principles of football. With Schotty, to accept the general view on JN, you had to sort of accept that he didn’t quite understand how 1st downs work. Now, you need to accept that no one has mentioned, or tried to work with Darnold in any way, on his footwork, or that no one has ever thought to point to his YOLO balls, and say, “bad, stop doing that,” or discussed/worked on better alternatives to throwing the ball to no one. Or, no one has thought to watch film with him, discuss the plays, and point out the open WRs he misses, repeatedly. All these people, who are about to lose their livelihoods, not just the big money HCs at the top, but the countless assistants, who are out of work and will soon be out of work, because of Sam Darnold, never tried these extremely basic things and know less about football than fans who offer no grater insight than “need moar development.” That’s sort of what you need to accept over the very in complex idea that the turnover prone college prospect with upside but poor fundamentals and no consistency stayed that way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Seems crazy to say it but losing Jeremy Bates may have sunk Darnold, not saying by any stretch he’d be an all-pro and we all know Bates as an OC was not working(though what talent did he have to work with?) but as a QB coach and mentor it felt like Bates got Darnold and understood how to develop him. It feels like as his rookie year wore on he was making progress and the Houston and GB games in particular I was convinced he looked like he had the goods to be a legit franchise QB....since then he’s consistently regressed. Dowell Loggains title as ‘QB coach’ is laughable, there is ZERO player development happening, it’s all about the play sheet fell bad for Sam, was not a fan of him coming out but there is potential there. Hope it works out for him elsewhere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Sam under Gase : Dumpster fire Sam under Tomlin: Hall of Famer Book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Sam sucks but is going to flourish like Tannehill once he gets away from the Jets. Trevor Lawrence is going to refuse to play for the Jets. Justin Fields stinks because he did bad things once in a game. Jamies Winston is the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Was Darnold missing a lot of on script opportunities in his rookie season? Asking because I do not know. This would be useful in evaluating whether it is a Gase induced weakness or a natural weakness. Regardless, barring a miracle, Sam is done as a Jet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, there's no chance. You're living in a fairy tale right now if you think Douglas hasn't moved on from Darnold. I know I am definitely in the minority here, but I think that was evident when JD picked Morgan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, TNJet said: Sam under Gase : Dumpster fire Sam under Tomlin: Hall of Famer Book it. What will you think when the Steelers don’t offer a 3rd for him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 If we play this thing out to the bitter end, darnold hits fa and JD gets most likely a comp 3 or 4. So this thing does have a bottom, despite how garbage Sam is playing. What will you think when the Steelers don’t offer a 3rd for him?Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, TNJet said: Sam under Gase : Dumpster fire Sam under Tomlin: Hall of Famer Book it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelScott Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Maxman said: Just so that everyone is clear, when you edit a post the first version of that post is still something that Admins can read. I am going to walk the other way but SMH at some of these edits. Be better. How about a premium membership that let's the rest of us see the edits? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Sam will be the next player to get better after getting away from... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, MichaelScott said: How about a premium membership that let's the rest of us see the edits? ? It's not that hard to figure out what the copy looked like before Jesse Pinkman did the rewrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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