Jets4realz Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 That call was obviously a tanking season call. Man to man on back to back plays? Gregg knows better than that. That was obvious a tanking changing callSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jets4realz said: That call was obviously a tanking season call. Man to man on back to back plays? Gregg knows better than that. That was obvious a tanking changing call Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app That's what I think as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jets4realz said: That call was obviously a tanking season call. Man to man on back to back plays? Gregg knows better than that. That was obvious a tanking changing call Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Ok, but you didn’t finish your thought. What possible reason would Williams — or Gase for that matter — have for intentionally losing the game? Neither is going to be around to enjoy the fruits of a winless season. They both know they’re going to be gone. So tell me please, why would Williams intentionally throw a game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, DetroitRed said: Coach needs to stress how to play that. Maybe he did, but obviously not enough Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app I agree the coach needs to point out the situation. However, I also feel this isn't children's league football populated by 10 year olds, and an aspiring pro cb needs to demonstrate some competent decision making in an obvious situation when it really matters. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: I agree the coach needs to point out the situation. However, I also feel this isn't children's league football populated by 10 year olds, and an aspiring pro cb needs to demonstrate some competent decision making in an obvious situation when it really matters. Situational stuff that you have to be smart. Most of these guys aren’t very smart ?. Belichick teaches these situational things. As soon as the WR slowed the CB should have just deep. Our coaches are terrible. Both can coach pro bowl teams but can’t coach up anything less. Horrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jetster said: As soon as the WR slowed the CB should have just deep. Exactly, no brains whatsoever. Wait, why am I complaining that he should have played better coverage in an obvious situation.... Thank god he didn't play it correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, kdels62 said: No excuse for it. The Jets made an unprecedented play call to end their game vs the Raiders There were 252 pass plays meeting this criteria the last 15 seasons: •Final 15 seconds •Down 4-8 points •40+ yards to the end zone They were the 1st defense to send 6+ pass rushers in ^ situation got that from ESPN stats twitter page 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Exactly, no brains whatsoever. Wait, why am I complaining that he should have played better coverage in an obvious situation.... Thank god he didn't play it correct. They teach that sh*t in high school, give up underneath, turn him into your help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said: More like... What was Jackson thinking? Last play, they need a TD, and you bite on a short fake to the inside.... I get that you'd think the D would have help over the top as there should have been. Jackson sucks. It is inexcusable to send 8 and give him no help in that situation with 13 seconds left and them having no timeouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: I agree the coach needs to point out the situation. However, I also feel this isn't children's league football populated by 10 year olds, and an aspiring pro cb needs to demonstrate some competent decision making in an obvious situation when it really matters. agreed. plus Williams has intermed coached so hes no child. and to think all of the " fire Gase now " people, hey this Williams would be our coach if we did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 He was thinking we're 0-11...Let's take it to them. I say good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, RevisIsland610 said: Jackson sucks. It is inexcusable to send 8 and give him no help in that situation with 13 seconds left and them having no timeouts. I never said Greg made a good call. Yet, Jackson bit on a move he should have known was just obvious bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, doitny said: agreed. plus Williams has intermed coached so hes no child. and to think all of the " fire Gase now " people, hey this Williams would be our coach if we did No thanks. I want a coach that can thrive in this open high scoring league. Regardless of what the coach did or didn't do, we know for sure what the player did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Lith said: And to think. It happened on consecutive plays. Agholor got behind the defense and Carr missed him. Next play Ruggs gets behind defense and beats us. How could that possibly happen twice unless it was intentional. You put two safeties back by the EZ and tell them not to let anyone get behind them. You can blow a coverage once, but twice in a row is laughable. This team is making losing an art form. I totally agree, and I said so at the time on the game thread. The Jets, or at least the DC, threw that game at the end. The Jets should fire him at least as a PR move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 It's not easy finding a new way to lose in a way @SAR I can consider it a win every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: I never said Greg made a good call. Yet, Jackson bit on a move he should have known was just obvious bait. My point is the idiot coach should not have put a mediocre to bad rookie CB one on one on the outside against a guy who runs a 4.27 40 with 13 seconds to go in the game. It didn't surprise me one bit that he bit on the move and was burned. He sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I just watched the game again. Honestly, I don't think Gregg Williams deserves any blame for Ruggs last second TD? Truth be told our secondary was so bad today it's a wonder the Raiders didn't drop 50 on us. The defense did well to shut down the running game and making the Raiders completely one dimensional, but the Raiders didn't need a running game. Not Maye, not Langi, not Hewitt, not Davis, or anyone else had any idea how to cover Waller. Between Ruggs, Renfrow, Waller, and Agholor the Raiders had a complete mismatch for the Jets secondary. It really wasn't a contest. With that said, I love how the Jets were able to take a far more talented team right to the wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said: It's not easy finding a new way to lose in a way @SAR I can consider it a win every week. You can say with authority that with the defense hanging on for 30 more seconds against Denver, New England, and Las Vegas, and Darnold just having an average game against Miami, the Jets would easily be 4-7 right now enroute to the 5-11 or 6-10 season everyone thought this team would have back in June. Oh, and that was completely healthy. Oh, and that was with Bell, Adams, and Mosely playing. SAR I 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cp561 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: I just watched the game again. Honestly, I don't think Gregg Williams deserves any blame for Ruggs last second TD? Truth be told our secondary was so bad today it's a wonder the Raiders didn't drop 50 on us. The defense did well to shut down the running game and making the Raiders completely one dimensional, but the Raiders didn't need a running game. Not Maye, not Langi, not Hewitt, not Davis, or anyone else had any idea how to cover Waller. Between Ruggs, Renfrow, Waller, and Agholor the Raiders had a complete mismatch for the Jets secondary. It really wasn't a contest. With that said, I love how the Jets were able to take a far more talented team right to the wire. What does the rest of the game have to do with this? We're discussing one specific play. That one play call was absolutely brutal regardless of the game he called prior to that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, SAR I said: You can say with authority that with the defense hanging on for 30 more seconds against Denver, New England, and Las Vegas, and Darnold just having an average game against Miami, the Jets would easily be 4-7 right now enroute to the 5-11 or 6-10 season everyone thought this team would have back in June. Oh, and that was completely healthy. Oh, and that was with Bell, Adams, and Mosely playing. SAR I Plus we beat Buffalo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 The tank aspect makes little sense. From all indications Gregg Williams and Adam Gase will not be back next year. Why would they make themselves look bad in order for the Jets to retain a higher pick? Are we supposed to believe that the Jets went down 17 points only to rally back and go ahead only to lose on purpose? So strange and I dont believe the tank is in affect from the tops of the organization down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RevisIsland610 said: My point is the idiot coach should not have put a mediocre to bad rookie CB one on one on the outside against a guy who runs a 4.27 40 with 13 seconds to go in the game. It didn't surprise me one bit that he bit on the move and was burned. He sucks. I agree wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 The idea that the Jets called this play to tank is preposterous. They could've let the Raiders score on the previous possession if they wanted to tank. Williams is aggressive and decided to blitz and if he got beat over top who cares they're 0-11 anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 hours ago, shawn306 said: It was a play call that will set this franchise so far back even Trevor Lawrence will not be able to save it. Every player who busted their ass out there today should demand to be traded. SOJ forever About 50-75 % of the roster wasn't going to be back regardless. They'll get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 hours ago, kdels62 said: No excuse for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Also football fans the prevent prevents you from winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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56mehl56 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, NYJ1 said: I just watched the game again. Honestly, I don't think Gregg Williams deserves any blame for Ruggs last second TD? Truth be told our secondary was so bad today it's a wonder the Raiders didn't drop 50 on us. The defense did well to shut down the running game and making the Raiders completely one dimensional, but the Raiders didn't need a running game. Not Maye, not Langi, not Hewitt, not Davis, or anyone else had any idea how to cover Waller. Between Ruggs, Renfrow, Waller, and Agholor the Raiders had a complete mismatch for the Jets secondary. It really wasn't a contest. With that said, I love how the Jets were able to take a far more talented team right to the wire. Its football 101. The only play that could beat you is a TD or a PI call. Line 8 defenders deep and rush 4 . If they throw underneath , time will expire. To do it once I say maybe, to do it a 2nd time after narrowly escaping the previous play was clearly a tank or FU call by Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Copernicus said: The tank aspect makes little sense. From all indications Gregg Williams and Adam Gase will not be back next year. Why would they make themselves look bad in order for the Jets to retain a higher pick? Are we supposed to believe that the Jets went down 17 points only to rally back and go ahead only to lose on purpose? So strange and I dont believe the tank is in affect from the tops of the organization down. Nothing else that happened in the game before mattered. You can in essence say the game started with 11 seconds left , Williams chose to play man coverage and Blitz when 100% of other NFL DC's would play prevent in that situation. So he either tanked or sent a mammoth sized FU to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Larz said: Also football fans the prevent prevents you from winning Not in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, doitny said: The Jets made an unprecedented play call to end their game vs the Raiders There were 252 pass plays meeting this criteria the last 15 seasons: •Final 15 seconds •Down 4-8 points •40+ yards to the end zone They were the 1st defense to send 6+ pass rushers in ^ situation got that from ESPN stats twitter page Awesome. Best tank, ever. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Plus we beat Buffalo! This year? For a half. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 You tank guys are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 7 hours ago, PS17 said: Legitimately one of the stupidest defensive play calling sequences I’ve ever seen. And I love it. I was like, WTF was that! Am I seeing things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, AbstraKt said: To me that’s a completely different situation. But....who cares really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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