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The question is are the New York Jets tanking, or do we have the worst Head Coach ever? Sorry but it can't be both!

Personally I don't think any prideful man could purposely fail in a competitive profession. That's obviously painful for the players. However in the corporate ranks for the sake of business and getting ahead, it's very possible. I can only speak for myself cuz I've never been a part of any gang.

I have a few points to make for my fellow posters to ponder.

 All season I've seen you guys saying that we're tanking for Trevor. That some are in on the tank. That AG is the perfect coach for the tank cuz he just absolutely sucks. Right?

Then why is it that every time we get something going on offense we completely switch it up? You don't think that's by Design? We start throwing to Mims, he looks great and then we don't throw them for an entire second half?

We can't do crap for the first quarter then we make a huge come back with the game on the line and suddenly we just make a bad call?

 You don't think that Gase was doing his friend Frank Gore a favor by trying to pump up his stats for previous time well spent? Maybe a similar favor that Peyton Manning did when he made a phone call?

We all see the potential on the field and it's almost like a peep show. They givith and take it away.

Something smells God damn fishy!

Players that suddenly come up with soft tissue injuries. We're waiting for the trainers to tell us when they're good to go and we don't want to rush anything. Well you got to do what the doctors say right?

Whether or not they're trying to get the first pick for Trevor Lawrence is anyone's guess. Maybe they're keeping Darnold and looking to trade down for a cashe of ammo in the draft that would turn this team around in a year. Obviously we have plenty of cap space available as well.

Honestly I'm on the fence 50/50 weather Gase stays or not, but I think this is a plan and it has been all along. If he is fired it would be because of the public outcry, however I believe he's The Mastermind behind all of the massive changes that have happened. So don't be surprised if he's still here next year.

New York is a really tough place to pull off a tank with the media and fans..

Again I'm 50-50 I could be totally wrong, but if this is a plan and he's sitting up there taking the bullets and we get a total haul next year in the draft and free agency and come out firing then he's the MF man of steel.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

The question is are the New York Jets tanking, or do we have the worst Head Coach ever? Sorry but it can't be both!

 

If you're right and it has to be one or the other, its clearly that he is a colossal waste of life. Why? He is trying to win games but just can't. He fired another coach because it cost him a win. He fired another coach. He. Adam Gase. Fired another coach. For being an inept coach. Him. Adam MotherF'ing Gase. 

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I know... I know I sound like the guy from Unsolved Mysteries after he's had a few cocktails, and I'm not new here, and I expect some havin' at me.

But riddle me this.. it's obvious that the effort is there from the players, it's also obvious that we're not the Chiefs. But why is it that every time we get something going we go away from it? Why is it when it's a crucial pertinent call like clockwork we screw it up every time?

 like I said I personally don't believe in tanking, but this has to be on purpose.

I read the opinions across the board and they all ring true, but they don't add up. I've been a Jet fan for a long time and I've seen the Keystone Cops. This is different. This is like they're auditioning players. As soon as somebody gets hot they take them off the field. It's f****** bizarre..

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19 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

I know... I know I sound like the guy from Unsolved Mysteries after he's had a few cocktails, and I'm not new here, and I expect some havin' at me.

But riddle me this.. it's obvious that the effort is there from the players, it's also obvious that we're not the Chiefs. But why is it that every time we get something going we go away from it? Why is it when it's a crucial pertinent call like clockwork we screw it up every time?

 like I said I personally don't believe in tanking, but this has to be on purpose.

I read the opinions across the board and they all ring true, but they don't add up. I've been a Jet fan for a long time and I've seen the Keystone Cops. This is different. This is like they're auditioning players. As soon as somebody gets hot they take them off the field. It's f****** bizarre..

Name the really good players on the Jets, just make a list. Then name the really good players on the teams we've played so far.  Compare the quarterbacks. Then compare the coaches. Add em up.

What do you got?

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It goes beyond the ineptitude of Gase.  Was listening to Brick at night on siriusxm, and the four teams with the worst owners in the NFL were:

Detroit Lions 

Cincinnati Bengals 

New York Jets

L A Chargers

 

 

Losers, and it starts with owners who don't know football.  I agree.  Gase will be here next year because the Johnson's are just that bad.  Lawrence will not come here.  What do we have to offer?

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2 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Theyre not tanking. We just like to call it that because it sounds more fun then we just suck. We have the worst HC in history. 

Trading Jamal Adams, williamson and mcclendon and they also rested players longer than they probably needed to with nagging injuries. 

So while I agree the team sucks and the coaching sucks there is also truth to the front office doing what it can to make winning difficult.

No NFL team game plans during the week to lose. And if they were going to tank they certainly wouldn't wait until the last play of the game to try to lose. 

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Everyone is running off the premise that it is a HC’s primary objective to win games.  Probably because winning games will keep a HC employed longer, which enables them to earn more paychecks.  In reality, it is everyones job to do what their boss tells them to.

The decision probably wasn’t made at the beginning of the season, when, though facing a tough schedule, the team could have been navigated to mediocrity.  But when the injuries started mounting, and the supposed FQB started looking shaky, the possibility of getting a more profitable  (some say ‘generational’) prospect started to become a real possibility...
I think the hammer came down.  

Adam signed a four year, $20M contract. His money needs are taken care of.  Maybe there’s a gentlemen’s agreement between he and the FO that if Adam could secure “X” they would honor/guarantee his full contract rather than exercise some buyout.  
Maybe there is cigar chatter in owners clubs and coaching circles that Adam Gase is a good soldier, and is willing to tarnish his W/L record to prove it.  
His other option was what? Get fired sooner, with the same lousy record but without an excellent letter of recommendation?

The Johnsons thought they had a young stud QB with a brilliant young HC to make their franchise more profitable, and eventually realized that more money can be made with a new duo.  The new QB can attract a big name coach, the new coach will be necessary to attract the new QB (preventing an Eli scenario), and all it takes is for AG to be on board; shrug his shoulders when we lose games; and mastermind each loss with suspect play calls and careful roster manipulation, so the players play their best but only in the worst of circumstances; losing on purpose, under the radar.  

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46 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Trading Jamal Adams, williamson and mcclendon and they also rested players longer than they probably needed to with nagging injuries. 

So while I agree the team sucks and the coaching sucks there is also truth to the front office doing what it can to make winning difficult.

No NFL team game plans during the week to lose. And if they were going to tank they certainly wouldn't wait until the last play of the game to try to lose. 

If you look at the play by play recap you can easily see which plays were effective. It’s actually insanely obvious. 

This game was being coached to lose from the get-go.  It was the Raiders fumble and subsequent Unnecessary Roughness penalty that put us in position to take the lead. 

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As much as I enjoy the "Tank" there is no way in today's day in age, or yesterday's for that matter, that Tanks like this one are intentional. Sure, some people in key places might not mind the figurative Tank, but there is Zero way that this is any type of coordinated effort...for two reasons:'

1) These are professionals at all levels. They earn a living and have families or lives to support.  Even if they get fired / cut there's still a likelihood they'll get on somewhere else. It's a revolving door both for Coaches and Players.

2) The NY Jets are incapable of successfully coordinating a winning football season, let alone an orchestrated plan to intentionally tank a season. 

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8 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

It goes beyond the ineptitude of Gase.  Was listening to Brick at night on siriusxm, and the four teams with the worst owners in the NFL were:

Detroit Lions 

Cincinnati Bengals 

New York Jets

L A Chargers

 

 

Losers, and it starts with owners who don't know football.  I agree.  Gase will be here next year because the Johnson's are just that bad.  Lawrence will not come here.  What do we have to offer?

the maras and tische's know football?  the rooney?  the hunts?  the modell's?  kraft? mecam? think they know football? georgia frontiere?  they don't either.  all of those "football' owners had teams that suffered through long droughts of ineptitude.  didn't it take something like 45 years for the steelers to even have a winning record?  and in the case of mecam and hunt, those owners were from the oil field.

the owners don't need to know football.  they just need to hire guys that do.

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there was no planned tank-the "tank" was a direct result of bad coaching and a bad roster

the "tank" is an excuse to try and defend the terrible coaching job gase has done and the terrible roster douglass has assembled-the tank excuse is trying to rationalize the unthinkable the jets have a coach and a gm that will probably lose every single game this season and some would rather think it had to be a plan rather than to confront the reality -our ownership once again put a terrible gm in charge and hired a terrible coach. As Parcells always said and I have posted a million times(beating a dead horse) you are what your record says you are-Gase and Joe D will be in charge of the worst team in NFL history which was not a plan but an accurate measurement of their performances.

Parcells took a one win team to 9 wins-year to 12 wins and to the AFC championship game

our guys go from 6 wins to none... that is not a plan but a disgrace

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10 hours ago, pdxgreen said:

I can't wait for this tanking sh*t to be over.  It's just killing football for me in general.

Fine... But it better not be over until they are officially 0-16.  UNLESS the Jags win another game.  Then the Jets have my blessing to go 1-15

If they mess this up and let Trevor Lawrence slip away, I will drive my ******* head through a wall. 

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Tanking is one of the most misunderstood words in sports

 

Coaches don't throw games, Players don't throw games. But Sometimes Front Offices go with a younger roster with the expectation that they won't win many games that season. That's what Heinke did in Philly with the Sixers, which is the classic example of "Tanking". The players didn't throw games. Brett Brown wasn't throwing games. Heinke purposely put together a young terrible team to continually get into the lottery until he struck gold......

 

When it comes to the 2020 Jets, I don't think JD went into the season thinking he wanted to gun for the #1 pick, but he did put together a young roster and didn't spend much big money with the expectation that this would be a building year for the Jets.

 

In other words no one is throwing games for the Jets. The roster is that terrible, and Adam Gase is that bad of a coach. 

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10 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

You don't try and tank but then immediately fire the same DC who stole away your first win; if Gase was intensionally trying to lose on purpose he'd be hugging Gregg Williams right now (not firing him). 

Gase is just a really bad coach and the worst one we've had since Kotite. 

Or the Jets and Williams had deal in place that would sweeten his retirement for tanking and becoming the fall guy.

I know this sounds way far fetched. But I keep getting hung up on this question.  If Williams really wasn't in on a tank - what's he gain from one of the most idiotic play calls ever - he virtually slit his throat at getting another job in Football. At least with the tank scenario he's possibly getting some monetary gain. 

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Considering Nick Folk, who missed every long kick in New England to win or tie a game when he played for the Jets made a 51 yard FG to win our game with New England for the Pats, I'd say we're just getting LUCKY with the tank this year. 

Considering Ruggs has had a problem catching balls this year & he had no problem with catching that 46 yarder, this just happens to be OUR YEAR! 

Its like a reverse Karma situation. The entire season has been surreal. 

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11 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

We all see the potential on the field and it's almost like a peep show

This team is void of talent. I don't blame Gase for that. I blame him for being unable to coach up these players to level where they're at least competitive. We got our asses whooped too many time this season and we're impotent offensively for too many games

11 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Players that suddenly come up with soft tissue injuries

It's physical game and players get hurt. They don't need another Osemele issue.

11 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Maybe they're keeping Darnold and looking to trade down for a cashe of ammo in the draft that would turn this team around in a year.

I think Darnold has disappointed Gase just like Gase has been unable to better develop Darnold. The organization a cannot pass up Lawrence if he's there for the taking.

11 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Honestly I'm on the fence 50/50 weather Gase stays or not, but I think this is a plan and it has been all along. If he is fired it would be because of the public outcry, however I believe he's The Mastermind behind all of the massive changes that have happened. So don't be surprised if he's still here next year.

Gase cannot stay. If he does, it'll be his 3rd opportunity to develop a 1st round QB prospect. How have the first 2 worked out? 

He's a dead man walking.

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40 minutes ago, rangerous said:

the maras and tische's know football?  the rooney?  the hunts?  the modell's?  kraft? mecam? think they know football? georgia frontiere?  they don't either.  all of those "football' owners had teams that suffered through long droughts of ineptitude.  didn't it take something like 45 years for the steelers to even have a winning record?  and in the case of mecam and hunt, those owners were from the oil field.

the owners don't need to know football.  they just need to hire guys that do.

Awesome take on this. The Johnson's don't need to know football, and while they are inept owners, they have failed in the most important aspect of owning this team. While the tried with Parcell, he left us high and dry, because he never wanted to be in one place for any period of time. If they have any sense of what the fans are feeling they would go out and hire someone who knows the game, and someone who can adapt to the ever changing game. I don't care that they are the owners because that is probably not going to change. Just do the right thing and bring in a football guy to run your organization and then stay out of the way. If that doesn't work out, then you need to find the next football guy. PERIOD.

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Management totally went all in to give the Jets the best shot at getting the first pick. Trade McClendon, Trade Williamson, IR'd Austin, IR'd Poole, Basically sent Alex Lewis packing, They decided to toss this year aside and build for 2021 and beyond.

Do I think they tanked the last play against the Raiders ? No...Just think for whatever reason Williams decided to go and make one of the stupidest calls I have seen and as usual with the Jets it blew up in their face.

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11 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

The question is are the New York Jets tanking, or do we have the worst Head Coach ever? Sorry but it can't be both!

Unless its a lousy HC combined with a roster devoid of talent.

Not all that complicated

Theyre not tanking, theyre not set up to win

 

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41 minutes ago, kmnj said:

there was no planned tank-the "tank" was a direct result of bad coaching and a bad roster

the "tank" is an excuse to try and defend the terrible coaching job gase has done and the terrible roster douglass has assembled-the tank excuse is trying to rationalize the unthinkable the jets have a coach and a gm that will probably lose every single game this season and some would rather think it had to be a plan rather than to confront the reality -our ownership once again put a terrible gm in charge and hired a terrible coach. As Parcells always said and I have posted a million times(beating a dead horse) you are what your record says you are-Gase and Joe D will be in charge of the worst team in NFL history which was not a plan but an accurate measurement of their performances.

Parcells took a one win team to 9 wins-year to 12 wins and to the AFC championship game

our guys go from 6 wins to none... that is not a plan but a disgrace

This X 100000

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12 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Considering Nick Folk, who missed every long kick in New England to win or tie a game when he played for the Jets made a 51 yard FG to win our game with New England for the Pats, I'd say we're just getting LUCKY with the tank this year. 

Considering Ruggs has had a problem catching balls this year & he had no problem with catching that 46 yarder, this just happens to be OUR YEAR! 

Its like a reverse Karma situation. The entire season has been surreal. 

Trust me. I'm not complaining @ all. I was feeling sick to my stomach with 1:37 left on the clock while knowing we just lost out on both the #1 overall pick and Trevor Lawrence; it was a disgusting feeling for me. 

And for what?

For 1-11 overall?

I celebrated for the first time in 10 years dating back to our NE postseason win of 2010 when Ruggs scored a TD; I went absolutely apesh*t and woke up both my wife and daughter who took a nap after ordering Pizza and Wings before the start of the game. I could've ran through a window out of excitement.

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53 minutes ago, rangerous said:

the maras and tische's know football?  the rooney?  the hunts?  the modell's?  kraft? mecam? think they know football? georgia frontiere?  they don't either.  all of those "football' owners had teams that suffered through long droughts of ineptitude.  didn't it take something like 45 years for the steelers to even have a winning record?  and in the case of mecam and hunt, those owners were from the oil field.

the owners don't need to know football.  they just need to hire guys that do.

And that is the answer in a nutshell , you don't just need to hire guys that know football , you need to hire the right guys at the right time, right place. 

Guys who have connections and have a pulse of where the game is evolving to. Its like the draft , you can have the greatest football mind/athlete  with all the intangibles but it simply may not work out. Which is why so few teams get it right consistently , there's no magic formula and you need to have luck on your side.  The whole notion that the Johnson's are terrible owners because they come from money and don't have a football background is a farce. 

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