Jets definitely tanking

[Ex-Rex]

Marcus Maye tried his best to give the Raiders the game on the play before the TD when Agholor beat him like a drum but the ball was overthrown. Maye didn't even give chase until he was beaten. Don't care about Williams firing, they are ALL out the door in five weeks. 

[Anthony Jet]

5 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Marcus Maye tried his best to give the Raiders the game on the play before the TD when Agholor beat him like a drum but the ball was overthrown. Maye didn't even give chase until he was beaten. Don't care about Williams firing, they are ALL out the door in five weeks. 

If there definitely tanking, why would the people controlling the tank be put the door after the season?

[Ex-Rex]

2 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

If there definitely tanking, why would the people controlling the tank be put the door after the season?

It didn't start out that way obviously. Once you get to 0-10 or 0-11 there is little reason to continue to try for one meaningless win since you know that your 0-11 start is going to get you fired anyway.

[Defense Wins Championships]

Marcus Maye getting beat like a drum in pass coverage is nothing new; he's been even worse in pass coverage grades and ratings than Jamal Adams ever was for us (AS A JET) here in 2020 and for a Free Safety, he should seriously be moved to SS; because he has zero ball hawking ability of whatsoever (he's a stiff). 

And you don't intensionally tank/lose but yet have the lead @ 28-24 with less than 30 seconds remaining on the clock. 

How embarrassing. 

[Anthony Jet]

1 minute ago, Ex-Rex said:

It didn't start out that way obviously. Once you get to 0-10 or 0-11 there is little reason to continue to try for one meaningless win since you know that your 0-11 start is going to get you fired anyway.

Still don’t think guys are losing on purpose for the better of the franchise that they won’t be a part of anymore 

[Jet Nut]

16 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

Still don’t think guys are losing on purpose for the better of the franchise that they won’t be a part of anymore 

Of course they arent.  

Someone told Maye to miss tackles and let players score and he was ok with that?  Thats the theory?   Did the fort to tell QW?  

LOL, sure they are.  

[Ex-Rex]

2 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

Still don’t think guys are losing on purpose for the better of the franchise that they won’t be a part of anymore 

OK but just for the sake of argument the Jets would have fired Gase at the bye if they wanted to win. Keeping Gase is the best chance for the Jets to lose. Plus, Gase knows he will be getting paid for at least one more year by the Jets to do nothing so why worry?

[FidelioJet]

Can we stop with these threads.  

[Integrity28]

8 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

than Jamal Adams ever was for us (AS A JET) here in 2020

An impeccably redundant sentence full of unnecessary context. I give it a 9.7/10.

[Anthony Jet]

3 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

OK but just for the sake of argument the Jets would have fired Gase at the bye if they wanted to win. Keeping Gase is the best chance for the Jets to lose. Plus, Gase knows he will be getting paid for at least one more year by the Jets to do nothing so why worry?

I have no answers for why Gase is still here, and the picture or paints is they are trying to lose, but logically speaking there’s no way any player or coach is in on a tank. 

[Anthony Jet]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

An impeccably redundant sentence full of unnecessary context. I give it a 9.7/10.

Ummm yea

[Saul Goodman]

I didn’t think so before I read this thread. But the way you laid it all out, I mean it’s pretty much undeniable. 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

22 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Marcus Maye tried his best to give the Raiders the game on the play before the TD when Agholor beat him like a drum but the ball was overthrown. Maye didn't even give chase until he was beaten. Don't care about Williams firing, they are ALL out the door in five weeks. 

[shuler82]

11 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Marcus Maye getting beat like a drum in pass coverage is nothing new; he's been even worse in pass coverage grades and ratings than Jamal Adams ever was for us (AS A JET) here in 2020 and for a Free Safety, he should seriously be moved to SS; because he has zero ball hawking ability of whatsoever (he's a stiff). 

And you don't intensionally tank/lose but yet have the lead @ 28-24 with less than 30 seconds remaining on the clock. 

How embarrassing. 

You would suck off Jamal Adams. We get it. No need to bring him into every post.

[Integrity28]

I dunno, “definitely” is very definitive. What about “definitely maybe”?

[KINGDIRK]

26 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Marcus Maye tried his best to give the Raiders the game on the play before the TD when Agholor beat him like a drum but the ball was overthrown. Maye didn't even give chase until he was beaten. Don't care about Williams firing, they are ALL out the door in five weeks. 

So Marcus Maye purposely plays bad/tanks (so the Jets land Lawrence) when he is trying to earn the biggest contract he will ever see in his life? Jesus Christ. Can we close this thread? 

[SayNoToDMC]

You're giving them too much credit. They're all playing for their next contract and Gase is trying his hardest. This is it

[Jet Nut]

12 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

OK but just for the sake of argument the Jets would have fired Gase at the bye if they wanted to win. Keeping Gase is the best chance for the Jets to lose. Plus, Gase knows he will be getting paid for at least one more year by the Jets to do nothing so why worry?

You think a new HC wold come in and change schemes and packages allowing the team to start winning?  

 

[jgb]

Why would a player harm his extension/next contract value to tank?

[joewilly12]

 

[slimjasi]

9 minutes ago, jgb said:

Why would a player harm his extension/next contract value to tank?

Especially a player who will be looking to get paid soon. 

Fans think players think like fans but they think like players because they are players. 

[HessStation]

The funny part is that everyone in the entire Jets organization is still trying to win the game

[Icer]

No they just suck

[jgb]

20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You think a new HC wold come in and change schemes and packages allowing the team to start winning?  

 

Well, there's the old "can't be worse" arguments. And I think 100% minus 1 poster agree that Gase is playing the wrong guys and Gase (or his puppet Loggains) are calling objectively terrible games.

[jgb]

7 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Especially a player who will be looking to get paid soon. 

Fans think players think like fans but they think like players because they are players. 

Hence the fan mentality of "screw him if he doesn't wanna be here!!!!!" when a player demands a pay raise.

[Defense Wins Championships]

14 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

An impeccably redundant sentence full of unnecessary context. I give it a 9.7/10.

Do you even watch the games? 

I guess you haven't been paying attention to Marcus Maye in pass coverage this year (because he's been atrocious and worse than Adams ever was (as a JET). 

And you want "context"?

Adams 2019: Targeted 38 times while allowing 21 completions for a completion percentage against of 55.1% along with 187 passing yards against and 2 TDs allowed in coverage. 

Maye 2020: Targeted 35 times while allowing 20 completions for a completion percentage against of 57.1%  along with 206 passing yards against and 2 TDs allowed coverage. 

How's that for "unnecessary context"?

Now where is the little fake outrage?

I give you a 9.7/10 in cluelessness (because Maye has been worse than Adams ever was in pass coverage AS A JET)!

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Well, there's the old "can't be worse" arguments. And I think 100% - 1 poster agree that Gase is playing the wrong guys and Gase (or his puppet Loggains) are calling objectively terrible games.

Problem with changing HCs mid season is not enough changes, players, schemes etc.  Its why it doesn't happen often and especially with teams like the Jets, teams with rosters that lack real talent.  We're not a team with talent being coached poorly, we're a barebones roster being coached badly.  

[jago]

43 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Marcus Maye getting beat like a drum in pass coverage is nothing new; he's been even worse in pass coverage grades and ratings than Jamal Adams ever was for us (AS A JET) here in 2020 and for a Free Safety, he should seriously be moved to SS; because he has zero ball hawking ability of whatsoever (he's a stiff). 

And you don't intensionally tank/lose but yet have the lead @ 28-24 with less than 30 seconds remaining on the clock. 

How embarrassing. 

thats ugly. and tell bryce hall its not two hand touch.

[jgb]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Problem with changing HCs mid season is not enough changes, players, schemes etc.  Its why it doesn't happen often and especially with teams like the Jets, teams with rosters that lack real talent.  We're not a team with talent being coached poorly, we're a barebones roster being coached badly.  

Per our Bet Labs database, since 2003, 30 teams have fired their coach in-season, including two this year (Atlanta and Houston). Those teams have gone 14-16 straight up and 16-14 against the spread.

A 46.6% straight-up win rate might not look great, but those teams had a 79-216-2 record (26.7%) prior to the head coaching change. They also compiled a 108-183-5 Against the Spread (37.1%) record prior to the coaching change. Generally speaking, teams that fire their coach midseason are not very good teams. Over the past 30 years, teams that fired their coach mid-season went 48% ATS in their remaining games. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

36 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

You would suck off Jamal Adams. We get it. No need to bring him into every post.

I'm just mentioning Jamal Adams as a way of showing just how bad Maye has been in pass coverage this year (and lack of pass coverage ability is why Jet fans HATED Jamal Adams on the field). 

Is this where I say sorry for pointing out Maye in 2020 has been worse than Adams ever was (as a JET) in pass coverage? 

The OP pointed out how Maye was "intensionally tanking" due to getting almost embarrassed in pass coverage and all I did was point out how awful Maye has truly been in pass coverage this year (atrocious). 

You don't agree? Ok. Cool. Just keep your little "sucking off" remarks and personal insults off of our board.

Understood? Ok. Good. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

6 minutes ago, jago said:

thats ugly. and tell bryce hall its not two hand touch.

Very ugly - however I'll give Hall as a rookie a break. 

But I won't give Maye a break. He's a 4th year FS with zero ball hawking ability and looked absolutely embarrassing trying to tackle in the open field while allowing Walker to prance into the end zone while Marcus Maye stumbled onto his face; he's horrible and I can't wait until he's replaced come 2021 (already damn near 30 years old too). 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said:

Marcus Maye tried his best to give the Raiders the game on the play before the TD when Agholor beat him like a drum but the ball was overthrown. Maye didn't even give chase until he was beaten. Don't care about Williams firing, they are ALL out the door in five weeks. 

The Jets D ended the game with 2 minutes left when they stopped the Raiders on 4th down, handing the ball to the Jets offense. Nobody was tanking the game.  Gregg Williams won it before he lost it.  The Jets O won it (with the TD) before they lost it by not getting a 1st down at the end of the game.

The problem was GW wanted an emphatic end to the game.  He wanted a sack where the clock would run out.  In his mind the Raiders had two shots at the end zone on 3rd and 4th down with 13 seconds left.  If they don’t make the first Hail Mary why give them a second?  He tried to plant a dagger in the heart but he missed.

The bigger problem wasn’t just the zero blitz.  It was that there seemed to be some kind of spy about 10 yards off the LOS who just moved around in empty space and blitzed late.  Total waste of a defender.  Either bring that guy immediately as part of the blitz or put him deep in coverage.  

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, jgb said:

Per our Bet Labs database, since 2003, 30 teams have fired their coach in-season, including two this year (Atlanta and Houston). Those teams have gone 14-16 straight up and 16-14 against the spread.

A 46.6% straight-up win rate might not look great, but those teams had a 79-216-2 record (26.7%) prior to the head coaching change. They also compiled a 108-183-5 Against the Spread (37.1%) record prior to the coaching change. Generally speaking, teams that fire their coach midseason are not very good teams. Over the past 30 years, teams that fired their coach mid-season went 48% ATS in their remaining games. 

Atlanta is a different team than the Jets and why I added in the roster comment.  They IMO were a better team than what their record was showing.  They dumped Quinn and there was an improvement.  

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Atlanta is a different team than the Jets and why I added in the roster comment.  They IMO were a better team than what their record was showing.  They dumped Quinn and there was an improvement.  

That’s one team. The overall data is pretty compelling.

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said:

 they are ALL out the door in five weeks. 

This post amuses the Football Man of Florham Park.

SAR I