PeterNorth09 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I know I'm going to get a lot of flack about this from all the Patrick Ramsey lovers on this site but this guy is overrated. I've seen this guy play numerous times and was never impressed. Joe Gibbs benched him in favor of has-been Mark Brunell and drafted Jason Campbell. I trust Joe Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I thought there was also some personal stuff going on in Washington between Ramsey/Gibbs. Gibbs just flat-out doesn't like him. Wonder if Ramsey's not religious enough for him. I don't really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 god i hope we dont go after him...he's horrible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I've seen Ramsey play plenty of times including at Tulane and I've been impressed. Washington's O-Line has always sucked and Gibbs pulled him out WAY too early. Washington was a cancer to Ramsey and a change of scenery would do him wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I've seen Ramsey play plenty of times including at Tulane and I've been impressed. Washington's O-Line has always sucked and Gibbs pulled him out WAY too early. Washington was a cancer to Ramsey and a change of scenery would do him wonders. i hope your right, but still think he sucks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I'd be alright with Ramsey but thats basically because I believe a lot of QBs in this league take 3-5 years before they really arrive. You get some QBs who gets it in his first season or two but if you take a look around the league at some of the better QBs, many of them took several seasons to adjust to playing in the NFL. Ramsey is worth a look in my opinion. Some Examples Drew Brees-- Seasons 1-3 29 TDs 31 INTs Seasons 4&5 51 TDs 21 INTs Matt Hasselbeck--Seasons 1&2 sat behind Favre Season 3&4 a solid 22 TDs but 18 INTs Seasons 5-7 72 TDs to 39 INTs Steve McNair--Seasons 1&2 in spot duty 9 TDs 5 INTS Seasons 3-6 56 TDs 56 INTs Seasons 7-9 (before serious injury trouble) 67 TDs 34 INTs Byron Leftwich--Seasons 1&2 29 TDs 26 INTs 3rd season 15 TDs 5 INTs Ramseys number are actually comprable or better than some of the above listed QBs (34 TDs to 29 INTs) and hasn't had the reps that these guys have had so his development may be slowed a bit but he has the tools IMO to be a good NFL QB and he's better than anything we have on the roster right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I like Ramsey a lot. I have seen him play a lot as well, since my friend is a Skins fan. He has a cannon, but he was traumatized by the Spurrier era. I think Joe Gibbs is a great coach, one of the best of all-time, but he is far from great when it comes to quarterbacks. He managed to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs in his first tenure in Washington. That was due to the talent surrounding them. Joe Gibbs has never, as a head coach, developed a consistently successful quarterback. The Campbell pick was horrible. He will be a total bust. I don't think giving up on Ramsey was a great decision. If someone can cleanse Ramsey from his brainwashing, I think he can be a hell of a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 IF the JEts can get Ramsey for a bag of rocks and backstage passes to a Cold Play concert I say do it. If not, Ramsey can rot in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 IF the JEts can get Ramsey for a bag of rocks and backstage passes to a Cold Play concert I say do it. If not, Ramsey can rot in hell. True. His contract ends after 2006, and since the Jets don't figure to get enar the playoffs, get the warm body of patrick Ramsey out there to take a beating ebfore they get a real QB in ther ein 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I like Ramsey a lot. I have seen him play a lot as well, since my friend is a Skins fan. He has a cannon, but he was traumatized by the Spurrier era. I think Joe Gibbs is a great coach, one of the best of all-time, but he is far from great when it comes to quarterbacks. He managed to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs in his first tenure in Washington. That was due to the talent surrounding them. Joe Gibbs has never, as a head coach, developed a consistently successful quarterback. The Campbell pick was horrible. He will be a total bust. I don't think giving up on Ramsey was a great decision. If someone can cleanse Ramsey from his brainwashing, I think he can be a hell of a quarterback. i live in DC and have seen a lot of ramsey. you are right about the beating he took during the spurrier era. the thing about ramsey is that he has a tendancy to make mistakes at the worst possible times. he will force the ball for an int rather than kick the FG insider of the redzone. the whole brunnel and the bible thing was overrated, coach joe just doesn't trust young qb's to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 I'd be alright with Ramsey but thats basically because I believe a lot of QBs in this league take 3-5 years before they really arrive. You get some QBs who gets it in his first season or two but if you take a look around the league at some of the better QBs, many of them took several seasons to adjust to playing in the NFL. Ramsey is worth a look in my opinion. Some Examples Drew Brees-- Seasons 1-3 29 TDs 31 INTs Seasons 4&5 51 TDs 21 INTs Matt Hasselbeck--Seasons 1&2 sat behind Favre Season 3&4 a solid 22 TDs but 18 INTs Seasons 5-7 72 TDs to 39 INTs Steve McNair--Seasons 1&2 in spot duty 9 TDs 5 INTS Seasons 3-6 56 TDs 56 INTs Seasons 7-9 (before serious injury trouble) 67 TDs 34 INTs Byron Leftwich--Seasons 1&2 29 TDs 26 INTs 3rd season 15 TDs 5 INTs Ramseys number are actually comprable or better than some of the above listed QBs (34 TDs to 29 INTs) and hasn't had the reps that these guys have had so his development may be slowed a bit but he has the tools IMO to be a good NFL QB and he's better than anything we have on the roster right now. Thanks for the information. I did not know that. I have not viewed RAMSEY well at all but seeing what you wrote will cause me to research him a lot more. I note what you said about HASSELBECK too with interest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Really depends of the asking price. But his happy feet and terrible pocket pressence make me worry. Aaron Brooks is the only other QB who gets as rattled as ramsey does. He's always shuffling his feet and they are never under him when he needs to pass the ball. He is always forcing passes and it's just 1 mistake after the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 How can anyone compare Ramsey to other pro qbs as he spent time in an absolute joke of a system under Spurrier not to mention non stop beatings. Under Gibbs he never had a chance and I am sure with Campbell in camp he had less of a chance. The only problem is that he would also take a beating here his first year as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 #2 for Schaub Fist round D'Brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 #2 for Schaub Fist round D'Brick The falcons turned down a 2nd last yr for Schuab,I don't think they take it this yr and I don't wanna part with that 2nd. We pick 3rd in the 2nd rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Cut Pennington Trade for / Sign Ramsey Take D'Brick at 4 Take Gabe Watson (NT) at 35 Draft Croyle in Round 3 That's what I would love to see...which means it most likely won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 The falcons turned down a 2nd last yr for Schuab,I don't think they take it this yr and I don't wanna part with that 2nd. We pick 3rd in the 2nd rd. Agreed. I'd give a 3rd & a 5th. If they really played hardball & we're not drafting our future QB I'd do our third & late 4th. But his contract is up after 2006 & there's no guarantee we'd re-sign him so that's the highest I'd go. No way would I give up the #35 pick in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Agreed. I'd give a 3rd & a 5th. If they really played hardball & we're not drafting our future QB I'd do our third & late 4th. But his contract is up after 2006 & there's no guarantee we'd re-sign him so that's the highest I'd go. No way would I give up the #35 pick in this draft. Smart man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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