southtown24th Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I am just sitting here thinking, do I feel bad for Sam? I just read a brief article from Rich Cimini that Sam wanted to "be a Jet for life" but it's out of his control...like, do I feel bad for the guy? Sort of. Was it his fault? Yes. So who do we blame here? Or who do we blame MORE? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 I voted: I blame Sam Darnold for his lack of progression, lack of learning, lack of improvement, etc. It's Sam's fault, mainly. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jets Voice of Reason Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 It’s both of them. The Jets have not built around him properly and seem to have this massive aversion to prioritizing skill position players. Sam has not improved his mechanics or decision-making at all. A more driven player finds a way to get it done. 8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post QB1 Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 I blame China 2 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Plenty of blame to go around. They all suck 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 It's rarely a complete either/or with this stuff. When your team is 0-13, everyone shares some blame. What has happened with Sam (and the team in general) is an organizational failure of the highest magnitude. If you made me pick one, I think Sam has some huge limitations in his ability to see the field and make good decisions under pressure and I'm not convinced that good coaching will fix his issues. I think the game has to slow down for him and who is to say if it ever will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CanadienJetsFan Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 The buck starts and stops with Gase. When the team wins , he deserves the accolades but when they lose, he deserves the blame. Gase 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTJet Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 How can any Jets fan pick Sam with a straight face? This should be unanimous blame for the organization by every single member on this board. Sam isnt absolved from blame, but Jesus Christ this is the most obvious answer a Jets fan should know. Cmon, y'all know this. We sucked prior to Sam, we sucked with Sam healthy, we sucked with Sam hurt, and unless we have a MASSIVE influx of talent, will continue to suck after Sam as well. 5 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flgreen Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 Where is the All of the above choice? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinGreenNC Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I blame our organization, but i do blame Sam for not stepping up and showing us what we thought he was. He plays scared and gunshy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I have to blame the organization. Sam sucks but he can’t control where he was drafted and if you tell an athlete to play, he is gonna play. This organization is the stupidest in sport, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Clue Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, southtown24th said: I voted: I blame Sam Darnold for his lack of progression, lack of learning, lack of improvement, etc. It's Sam's fault, mainly. Of course Sam deserves some blame, but I disagree, it’s mainly the organization for hiring “offensive genius” Adam Gase... He is a QB killer! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JTJet said: We sucked prior to Sam, we sucked with Sam healthy, we sucked with Sam hurt What some of y’all seem to miss is that this doesn’t help your argument. ”Sam doesn’t make an appreciable difference for this team” = Sam is not a franchise QB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, slimjasi said: What some of y’all seem to miss is that this doesn’t help your argument. ”Sam doesn’t make an appreciable difference for this team” = Sam is not a franchise QB The question isnt "Is Sam good yes/no" The question is who's to blame more, and that answer is undoubtedly the Jets. Yes he may or may not suck, but in the end, the Jets A- drafted him and B- never remotely tried to surround him with NFL level talent. So even if Sam does indeed suck, or he is secretly great, the Jets botched everything from the moment they turned the card in draft night. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The Jets should be ashamed of themselves for putting Sam in the worst situation possible. You couldn’t make a worse situation for a young QB. The Jets actually outdid themselves when compared to prior stints of ruining young QBs. The level of poor play, regression and failure to show any experience or growth is on Sam though. As much as I hate the Jets and want to blame them for doing what they do best (hurt young QBs), Darnold has been a disaster and he’s failing at almost every level, including plays that are 100% on him. 0 growth. Sam is more to blame because of this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Both 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The answer is @CTM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JTJet said: The question isnt "Is Sam good yes/no" The question is who's to blame more, and that answer is undoubtedly the Jets. Yes he may or suck, but in the end, the Jets A- drafted him and B- never remotely tried to surround him with NFL level talent. So even if Sam does indeed suck, or he is secretly great, the Jets botched everything from the moment they turned the card in draft night. I don’t necessarily disagree and I think they hired one of the worst coaches imaginable for him, but I’m also pretty sure that he is not secretly great and will never be the guy we thought we were getting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: It’s both of them. The Jets have not built around him properly and seem to have this massive aversion to prioritizing skill position players. Sam has not improved his mechanics or decision-making at all. A more driven player finds a way to get it done. But gun to your head and you have to pick one, who gets more blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Jets 100%. Sam could have been a long term guy. Yes, he would’ve caused us headaches with turnovers but we defiantly could have won with him. Let’s hope we don’t completely F it up with the next guy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 WHO DO YOU BLAME MORE? Who gets 51% of the blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: I don’t necessarily disagree and I think they hired one of the worst coaches imaginable for him, but I’m also pretty sure that he is not secretly great and will never be the guy we thought we were getting Looking more that way by the day yes, but even if Sam ISNT great at all, that's the Jets fault for believing he was and drafting him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I blame Canada 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 It's eas 1 minute ago, y2k8 said: I blame Canada With all that hockey hububaboo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I don’t necessarily disagree and I think they hired one of the worst coaches imaginable for him, but I’m also pretty sure that he is not secretly great and will never be the guy we thought we were getting There has been zero evidence that Sam is a secret FQB in disguise. Just look at Tannehill numbers with Gase, the QB so many pin their hopes on for a Sam turnaround. Totally different league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 It’s ******* bonkers to me that the only consistency in the Jets fan experience over my lifetime is bitching and arguing over who to blame. And it never fails... it ALWAYS becomes a pedantic exhibition of how most humans think accountability is zero sum. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 It's The Jet and it's not even close.... They literally did everything wrong a team could possibly do with a young QB. If I didn't know how fully inept this organization is I would have thought they were purposely trying to ruin him, because if that's what you were trying to do - you would do everything they've done. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, jgb said: There has been zero evidence that Sam is a secret FQB in disguise. Just look at Tannehill numbers with Gase, the QB so many pin their hopes on for a Sam turnaround. Totally different league. There's no evidence he's not either. Because he was never given a legitimate shot to succeed with the way he was handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, Integrity28 said: It’s ******* bonkers to me that the only consistency in the Jets fan experience over my lifetime is bitching and arguing over who to blame. And it never fails... it ALWAYS becomes a pedantic exhibition of how most humans think accountability is zero sum. Why do junkyard dogs defend their garbage? Cause it’s all they got! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, FidelioJet said: There's no evidence he's not either. Because he was never given a legitimate shot to succeed with the way he was handled. Don’t go into forensics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It’s ******* bonkers to me that the only consistency in the Jets fan experience over my lifetime is bitching and arguing over who to blame. And it never fails... it ALWAYS becomes a pedantic exhibition of how most humans think accountability is zero sum. In this case it is. It's all Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 FBI: FidelioJet, we believe you are the Zodiac Killer. Please turn yourself in or we will come and get you. FidelioJet: There is no evidence that I am a killer! I am innocent. FBI: Yeah, well there's no evidence you're not the killer, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rangerous Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just what exactly did darnold do at that guru Palmer’s QBs camp? Seems to me he should’ve been about to correct some of his mechanics but he came back worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Sam is a bust. We were warned, we didn't listen, and it happened. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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