At this rate what will be Darnold's value by season's end?

[Wonderboy]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

This is a pipe dream I hope comes true but I do not think it will.

And Rosen came with 4 more cheap years. Darnold 1. That's huge for his trade value.

JD got two 1st's for Adams.

 

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

I think we at the least get a 2nd. There will be several teams looking to take a chance on him and as long as you have more then 1 team interested, that value will go up. 

 

[jgb]

7 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

JD got two 1st's for Adams.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Samtorobby47 said:

I think we at the least get a 2nd. There will be several teams looking to take a chance on him and as long as you have more then 1 team interested, that value will go up. 

 

Definitely hope you guys are right! 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Definitely hope you guys are right! 

I think it helps that he has that rookie tape that looks promising and that Gase is known for ruining players and that Tannehill went on to play like an MVP.

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

I think it helps that he has that rookie tape that looks promising and that Gase is known for ruining players and that Tannehill went on to play like an MVP.

That's the reason I think there will be any trade market, at all. Still not convinced it's enough to get a 1st or 2nd rounder. Jamal is a bad comparitor because he was a 2x all pro. Even if we don't put a lot of stock in that, NFL GMs do. He was also seen as the missing piece of a championship-caliber team. Darnold will not be. He'll be seen as a reclamation project and not his next team's presumptive starter wherever he goes.

[jgb]

double

[Drums]

4 hours ago, KRL said:

I think at worst we'll be able to get a #3 because there will
be a number of teams that think they'll be able to "fix" Darnold
(SF, PIT, IND, WSH, CAR).  If the bidding gets hot maybe we get
a #2

Again, San Fran has an injury prone QB right now. Why does anyone think they want ANOTHER injury prone QB? Especially when their backup QB looked basically exactly like Darnold. Any of the others, maybe, but I don’t see it with SF

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, Drums said:

Again, San Fran has an injury prone QB right now. Why does anyone think they want ANOTHER injury prone QB? Especially when their backup QB looked basically exactly like Darnold. Any of the others, maybe, but I don’t see it with SF

Someone will take a shot to try to fix him. But you don't pay premium price for a one-year lotto ticket.

[Biggs]

3 hours ago, rangerous said:

Interesting about Rosen. Wasn’t he the QBs that had all of the throwing mechanics down?  Can’t say what’s going on there but something besides Murray made the cards move on so quickly.

The Cardinals agonized over trading Rosen and essentially reduced their bargaining power by waiting until after they drafted Murray to trade him.  There was a huge debate in AZ about keeping Rosen.  The owner and GM wanted to keep him and when they hired KK he was all in on Murray.  The debate played out right up until the draft.  If they knew they were drafting Murray they should have put Rosen on the block months before drafting Murray.

There's a reason Rosen is on Tampa Bay's practice squad.  Brian Leftwich coached him in AZ and is the QB coach in Tampa Bay.  Leftwich was developed as a coach by Arians in AZ.  Arians had scouted Rosen for the Cardinals before he "retired" as HC.  Leftwich is his QB coach in Tampa Bay.  Arians clearly views him as a potential Brady's replacement.  Rosen has his rookie money and put himself around a great coaching staff and veteran QB.  Rosen is actually in a great spot to get another shot down the road with a good staff and team around him.   

[Wonderboy]

22 minutes ago, jgb said:

 

Definitely hope you guys are right! 

I'd be thrilled with a 3rd. I think the Rosen debacle will make teams very weary of giving up a 2nd.  Sam and Rosen are very similar on many levels. 

[rangerous]

3 minutes ago, Biggs said:

The Cardinals agonized over trading Rosen and essentially reduced their bargaining power by waiting until after they drafted Murray to trade him.  There was a huge debate in AZ about keeping Rosen.  The owner and GM wanted to keep him and when they hired KK he was all in on Murray.  The debate played out right up until the draft.  If they knew they were drafting Murray they should have put Rosen on the block months before drafting Murray.

There's a reason Rosen is on Tampa Bay's practice squad.  Brian Leftwich coached him in AZ and is the QB coach in Tampa Bay.  Leftwich was developed as a coach by Arians in AZ.  Arians had scouted Rosen for the Cardinals before he "retired" as HC.  Leftwich is his QB coach in Tampa Bay.  Arians clearly views him as a potential Brady's replacement.  Rosen has his rookie money and put himself around a great coaching staff and veteran QB.  Rosen is actually in a great spot to get another shot down the road with a good staff and team around him.   

thanks for this.  i tried to find out more about rosen but didn't find much.

[Drums]

7 minutes ago, jgb said:

Someone will take a shot to try to fix him. But you don't pay premium price for a one-year lotto ticket.

Not to mention he is not even flashing anything anymore. You guys can dream but the more he plays, the more we all see how bad he is and that ceiling is just getting lower and lower at this point. If we actually get a 3rd somehow, erect that JD statue immediately.  

[FidelioJet]

There will be more than one team that thinks they can fix him.

Someone that saw him as a high level prospect.

The lack of talent and more importantly the incompetence of Gase will drive up the price.

You only need two teams 

[Gastineau Lives]

59 minutes ago, Jet2020 said:

Josh Rosen, 10th overall, garnered a 2nd. Sam’s 2020 has been way worse than Rosen’s rookie year. 

Have you watched Darnold play this year? 

IF THIS WAS HIS FIRST YEAR...

[Jetsfan80]

6 hours ago, Lizard King said:

He’s playing on one of, if not possibly  the worst team, in modern history. He’ll get another chance, likely. 

You don't get mulligans in the NFL.  You still have to play well to get chances in this league, regardless of your circumstances.  Speaking of circumstances, he just faced one of the worst pass defenses in modern NFL history on Sunday and still managed to sh*t himself.  

I get that all it takes is for one GM not paying close attention to cough up a good pick.  But there's no denying his value only stands to continue to drop every time he plays like garbage.

[jgb]

20 minutes ago, Biggs said:

The Cardinals agonized over trading Rosen and essentially reduced their bargaining power by waiting until after they drafted Murray to trade him.  There was a huge debate in AZ about keeping Rosen.  The owner and GM wanted to keep him and when they hired KK he was all in on Murray.  The debate played out right up until the draft.  If they knew they were drafting Murray they should have put Rosen on the block months before drafting Murray.

There's a reason Rosen is on Tampa Bay's practice squad.  Brian Leftwich coached him in AZ and is the QB coach in Tampa Bay.  Leftwich was developed as a coach by Arians in AZ.  Arians had scouted Rosen for the Cardinals before he "retired" as HC.  Leftwich is his QB coach in Tampa Bay.  Arians clearly views him as a potential Brady's replacement.  Rosen has his rookie money and put himself around a great coaching staff and veteran QB.  Rosen is actually in a great spot to get another shot down the road with a good staff and team around him.   

If he was a replacement for Brady, he'd be the QB2 a role held by Blaine frickin' Gabbert. You don't expose your QB of the future to your practice squad. This is a cray take.

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, KRL said:

I think at worst we'll be able to get a #3 because there will
be a number of teams that think they'll be able to "fix" Darnold
(SF, PIT, IND, WSH, CAR).  If the bidding gets hot maybe we get
a #2

At worst?  lol.

Even if teams believe they can "fix" him, they only have 1 year to completely overhaul his mechanics, then decide whether to extend him, and for how much they're willing to do so.  All of that works against his trade value.

[Lizard King]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You don't get mulligans in the NFL.  You still have to play well to get chances in this league, regardless of your circumstances.  Speaking of circumstances, he just faced one of the worst pass defenses in modern NFL history on Sunday and still managed to sh*t himself.  

I get that all it takes is for one GM not paying close attention to cough up a good pick.  But there's no denying his value only stands to continue to drop every time he plays like garbage.

Who you take right now if you’re Carolina- him or Bridgewater 

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

At worst?  lol.

Even if teams believe they can "fix" him, they only have 1 year to completely overhaul his mechanics, then decide whether to extend him, and for how much they're willing to do so.  All of that works against his trade value.

They're gonna die on this hill then when they are wrong they'll blame Gase for depressing Sam's trade value. It's impossible to convince a Darnoid they are wrong.

[southtown24th]

5th-6th rounder

don't @ me 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Lizard King said:

Who you take right now if you’re Carolina- him or Bridgewater 

Serious? Bridgewater has a 96 rating and a 14/8 TD/INT ratio with his best weeponin out nearly the whole year. Is this a real question?

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Lizard King said:

Who you take right now if you’re Carolina- him or Bridgewater 

Bridgewater.  Easily.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Bridgewater.  Easily.  

And here I was thinking finally we as a fan base were ready to be realistic about Darnold. This is wild.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Serious? Bridgewater has a 96 rating and a 14/8 TD/INT ratio with his best weeponin out nearly the whole year. Is this a real question?

Not to mention they're financially committed to him.  His cap number is $23M next season and $26M in 2022.  If they cut him next offseason, they'd incur at least $15M in dead cap money.  

If Carolina were to acquire Darnold it would be as a project QB2.  Bridgewater is locked in as their starter.

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Not to mention they're financially committed to him.  His cap number is $23M next season and $26M in 2022.  If they cut him next offseason, they'd incur at least $15M in dead cap money.  

If Carolina were to acquire Darnold it would be as a project QB2.  Bridgewater is locked in as their starter.

If CAR signs Darnold, Robbie be like

[Biggs]

13 minutes ago, jgb said:

If he was a replacement for Brady, he'd be the QB2 a role held by Blaine frickin' Gabbert. You don't expose your QB of the future to your practice squad. This is a cray take.

The Bucs are on a playoff drive with the goal of winning a SB.  Rosen is a development project.  Not protecting him doesn't mean he will sign with another team unless they give him a boatload of money.  Nobody will without seeing him play.  He isn't exposed unless someone offers him serious money and the chance to start.  Gabbert is locked in as the 2.  He's not the QB post Brady.  

Rosen has made a ton of money and doesn't need to sign a minimum deal to sit as the backup on another team.  He's not a typical FA practice squad player.  He made a bet on himself and his future.  It was a great move for him.

[jgb]

Just now, Biggs said:

Te Bucs are on a playoff drive with the goal of winning a SB.  Rosen is a development project.  Not protecting him doesn't mean he will sign with another team unless the give him a boatload of money.  Nobody will without seeing him play.  He isn't exposed unless someone offers him serious money and the chance to start.  Gabbert is locked in as the 2.  He's not the QB post Brady.  

Well Gabbert and Rosen have that in common.

Development project lol. He was billed as the most "pro ready" QB in the 2018 draft. He's not a development project. He just sucks.

[Biggs]

4 minutes ago, jgb said:

Well Gabbert and Rosen have that in common.

Development project lol. He was billed as the most "pro ready" QB in the 2018 draft. He's not a development project. He just sucks.

Disagree.  He has the exact value as Sam.  The fact that Arians is giving him a spot when during Covid every spot is critical to a team in a playoff drive says he's still a development project just like Sam.

Gabbert is a professional backup QB who has had a long career in the NFL.  

[Prodigal Syndicate]

He has no value. We would be lucky to get a conditional pick for him.

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Disagree.  He has the exact value as Sam.  The fact that Arians is giving him a spot when during Covid every spot is critical to a team in a playoff drive says he's still a development project just like Sam.

Gabbert is a professional backup QB who has had a long career in the NFL.  

Who has exact value as Sam? Rosen? Agree. Rosen was cut by Miami after no one would even give up a 7th to have the final two years of Rosen's rookie deal (remember some were worried Rosen would get picked up by the Pats and torment us for the next 15 years? lulz). Now he can't beat out Gabbert and is on a practice squad. That crafty Arians -- hiding his gem QB of the future in plain site!

[ZachEY]

I don't know, if you were a GM, what would you trade for a QB who's currently playing worse than the Brad Smith of New Orleans?

[jgb]

Just now, TeddEY said:

I don't know, if you were a GM, what would you trade for a QB who's currently playing worse than the Brad Smith of New Orleans?

Depends, what are the Jets giving me to take him?

[Jet2020]

24 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

IF THIS WAS HIS FIRST YEAR...

When do you think Josh Rosen was traded? After his first season. For 62nd overall pick. 

Major if, but still, if this was Sam’s first season, he wouldn’t garner anything more than a high 2nd at best, knowing we would be drafting TL. 

But it’s year 3. And Sam has shown zero progress. That’s typically a sign the player doesn’t have what it takes for that next big step at QB. A 3rd rounder would be huge for Sams. 

[More Cowbell]

Whatever it is, it will need to be more than the comp pick we get if we let him walk but I believe there will be a QB needy team like Dallas or even the Pat's that might offer more. The Pats are actually an ideal situation. They most likely reup with Cam and that would give Darnold some competition in camp. 

[bitonti]

The way jd did fa this off-season, it's fair to say he values comp picks more than outside signings

Yeah because the jets are cheap, blah, blah, blah
So it turns

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