maury77 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Do not underestimate the fact that Joe Douglas came from an organization that drafted another NDSU QB. He knows that they can translate.I don’t think coming from the same program as Wentz is necessarily viewed as a good thing anymore.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I’ve loved Wilson for so long now but I understand going with Fields. If it was up to me we take Wilson no questions asked but it’s a riskier pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 6:19 PM, Rhg1084 said: I’d keep Sam if we get the 2nd pick honestly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I'd be happy with either Wilson or Fields at this stage, but will lean Wilson after tonight's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Never mind after watching Wilson last night he’s gotta be the pick lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 6:17 PM, ScarletKnight89 said: If I have to choose between those two I'm going with Fields. Same here. I can't choose that scrawny untested kid over Fields. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 all I gotta say is that people didnt even CONSIDER that this kid was better than Baker, Sam and Rosen... who were crowned the ]OBVIOUSLY BEST 3 QBs in the 2018 draft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 9:03 PM, Jetsfan80 said: cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Losmeister said: all I gotta say is that people didnt even CONSIDER that this kid was better than Baker, Sam and Rosen... who were crowned the ]OBVIOUSLY BEST 3 QBs in the 2018 draft... Very good OL, very good running game, very good offensive situational play calling and plays that fit LJ skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Very good OL, very good running game, very good offensive situational play calling and plays that fit LJ skill set. He is better at everything. Sam is a flat out COLOSSAL bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, Losmeister said: all I gotta say is that people didnt even CONSIDER that this kid was better than Baker, Sam and Rosen... who were crowned the ]OBVIOUSLY BEST 3 QBs in the 2018 draft... That's because he can't get in the redzone in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: That's because he can't get in the redzone in the playoffs right... you'd rather suck and pick top 10 than be in the playoffs, have a QB who won the MVP and put up 500 yds in a playoff game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Losmeister said: He is better at everything. Sam is a flat out COLOSSAL bust. You can’t deny that Sammy has had none of that. LJ came to a perennial playoff team with a solid and well respected front office and coaching staff. Sammy came to a perennial loser with the Idzik and MacDaddys blowing draft after draft. No argument on who came into the better situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Fields. He needs to sit for a bit but I think he’ll hit if he gets appropriate coaching. The biggest difference in my mind between him and Lawrence at this point is reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: You can’t deny that Sammy has had none of that. LJ came to a perennial playoff team with a solid and well respected front office and coaching staff. Sammy came to a perennial loser with the Idzik and MacDaddys blowing draft after draft. No argument on who came into the better situation. Situ smitchu. Burrow and Herebert looked good this year, very, on bad teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: You can’t deny that Sammy has had none of that. LJ came to a perennial playoff team with a solid and well respected front office and coaching staff. Sammy came to a perennial loser with the Idzik and MacDaddys blowing draft after draft. No argument on who came into the better situation. If Sammy was looking good and making sh*t happend and we still were losing I'd be fine with him. But hes the worst in the leauge over th time he's been in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Losmeister said: Situ smitchu. Burrow and Herebert looked good this year, very, on bad teams. Look at the receivers Herbert and Burrow have. Now tell me about Sam’s? C’mon you can’t try and overlook facts when trying to push a narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Look at the receivers Herbert and Burrow have. Now tell me about Sam’s? C’mon you can’t try and overlook facts when trying to push a narrative narrative. am talkimg DATA. WRs my ass Sam cant even SEE OPEN WRS who gives a rats ass who they are. Got injured this year b/c of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Losmeister said: narrative. am talkimg DATA. WRs my ass Sam cant even SEE OPEN WRS who gives a rats ass who they are. Got injured this year b/c of it. Ok... obviously this goes beyond reasonable discussion. I’m all for moving on, but Sam’s confidence has been destroyed by terrible OL play, no talent at skill positions and coaching. Go ahead and tear down a 22 year old. Have at it “Jet fan” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I honestly have not seen enough of any of them, and I don't consider myself much of a QB analyst. I watched Fields sucking the other night and I will say one of the first throws he made was into coverage and incomplete and I siad "WHOA!" His arm is in another league from Darnold IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 16 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: Ok... obviously this goes beyond reasonable discussion. I’m all for moving on, but Sam’s confidence has been destroyed by terrible OL play, no talent at skill positions and coaching. Go ahead and tear down a 22 year old. Have at it “Jet fan” Man on one side there are so many facts that back up the visual evidence of San Darnold being bad at football. On the other side there’s the idea that Sam might be an outlier that rises from terrible QBing to anything above mediocrity. Facts or your feelings idk which one to trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Man on one side there are so many facts that back up the visual evidence of San Darnold being bad at football (not including USC & last years 6-2 finish). On the other side there’s the idea that Sam might be an outlier that rises from terrible QBing to anything above mediocrity. Facts or your feelings idk which one to trust. I don't think anyone will know until he is picked up by another team like SF, Pats, Carolina, Philadelphia or even the Rams lacking competent QB play. A competent OC and supporting cast will be the best way of determining this. Obviously the Jets haven't provided these two ingredients in making a good QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: I don't think anyone will know until he is picked up by another team like SF, Pats, Carolina, Philadelphia or even the Rams lacking competent QB play. A competent OC and supporting cast will be the best way of determining this. Obviously the Jets haven't provided these two ingredients in making a good QB. He wasn’t exceptionally good at USC. He played hero ball and everyone ignored his bad play around that. Guess what in college he was reckless with the football and bad at feeling the rush. During our 6-2 finish he had good games against the Giants, Redskins and Raiders but was fairly bad in every other game including against the Bills and Steelers who were either resting players or injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennington Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Wilson is the only answer. He has the chance to be great while Fields will be a career backup. Wilson all the way and I don’t understand those who feel differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Thanks to @QB1 for turning me on to these JT O'Sullivan videos (ex NFL QB). Here he breaks down Fields, Wilson and Darnold!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I think Wilson is a gamer and can make some wow plays. I think a few years ago I woulda said take Wilson over Fields but seeing Josh Allen makes me excited about a guy like Fields seeing his potential. Darnold himself was a guy people loved bc he made these plays out of his a$$. I think Wilson is a bit of different player but still in that same vein. Where as Fields has all the measurables, strong arm, fast/mobile, but perhaps not as cerebral as Wilson and doesn’t innately have that pocket presence. This is the exact reason I think the coaching Hire is more important than the QB we pick to be honest - We need to provide the stability Buffalo has and a coach who is going to inject his vision/mission the way McDermott has. The right coaching hire will make this decision much easier. I would take either over Darnold at this point too. Financially it makes more sense, playing wise the kids confidence is toast and even if you put his best 16 games together it still doesn’t even get you excited. When is the next time you pick the second best prospect coming out without having to trade for em. my only grievance is that the damn dolphins are gunna get Sewell if we take a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 The thing I've learned about evaluating QBs is that I want the guy that can process information more quickly and go through his reads without locking in on the first option. From what I've been hearing, Wilson is much better at this than Fields. I don't care if you are an elite athlete - you will always be limited as a QB if you can't go through your progressions quickly. Also, Wilson has a cannon. If Fields shows he can do this on Friday then he will help himself immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynJetsFan85 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 neither - was Lawrence or BUST. Neither is an upgrade to Darnold. Draft WR Ja'Marr Chase from LSU or that tackle from Oregon (i'd prefer the almost sure thing WR, because we already have a good LT, and can grab a RT later in draft). Build around Darnold, get him a line through free agency and/or draft. Get him weapons to throw to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said: neither - was Lawrence or BUST. Neither is an upgrade to Darnold. Draft WR Ja'Marr Chase from LSU or that tackle from Oregon (i'd prefer the almost sure thing WR, because we already have a good LT, and can grab a RT later in draft). Build around Darnold, get him a line through free agency and/or draft. Get him weapons to throw to. Both are upgrades from Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rojamon Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Definitely Wilson. Darnold has had 3 yrs to prove himself and although the coaching staff hasn't helped him much, he still makes too many mistakes. Trade Darnold and get more picks, then go for OT Penei Sewell out of Oregon. He's a beast @ 6'6 and 330 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Since everyone loves talking about Fields vs NW and Indiana, let's look at Wilson vs. a Power 5 school. Still has impressive traits, but he doesn't get away with a lot of the stuff that he does vs. BYU's schedule this year: 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, maury77 said: Since everyone loves talking about Fields vs NW and Indiana, let's look at Wilson vs. a Power 5 school. Still has impressive traits, but he doesn't get away with a lot of the stuff that he does vs. BYU's schedule this year: I posted this in the main forum. But idk why people are only looking at this year. He has a ton of mediocre film when faced with legit teams and frankly even bad competition from last season. Fields to me is the clear cut #2 QB in this draft. Not saying he is a must pick but he’s the pick of you want a non-Lawrence QB. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamLurker Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 The best QBs, Mahomes, Watson, Rodgers, Russ, Lamar.....and even dudes like Tannehill (Think I butcher his name....) and Allen can move, due to being athletic. All have tasted major success to some degree. It would behoove us, the Jets, to not overthink this and end up with Darnold's backup........Need I mind you Darnold had an outstanding bowl....but sucks at the pros. Justin is in a bit of a tough spot...being injured and playing that Clemson defense is not an ideal situation to increase your stock. However, it wouldn't hurt his career to drop into the lap of a team like SF... Justin has the tools to translate better, into the pros. The way the NFL is trending now, is towards guys like Justin. While guys like Wilson end up like Darnold, or at best, Cousins. Justin. Deep ball accuracy=instant NFL success. I mean, if you can't do $hit else......a guy with a nice deep pass will succeed. Carr does not blow anyone away, but he is the 11th QBR and still doing good for himself due to his ability to be accurate on 20+ yard passes. I feel Urban is low-key seeing where this kid ends up.......(Could be 100% wrong, don't hold me to this lol.....) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 5:55 PM, BklynJetsFan85 said: neither - was Lawrence or BUST. Neither is an upgrade to Darnold. Draft WR Ja'Marr Chase from LSU or that tackle from Oregon (i'd prefer the almost sure thing WR, because we already have a good LT, and can grab a RT later in draft). Build around Darnold, get him a line through free agency and/or draft. Get him weapons to throw to. Everyone here has Trevor withdrawals This is the 1998 draft all over again. One lock generational qb prospect and Ryan Leaf (or in this case 2-3 Ryan Leaves) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynJetsFan85 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Everyone here has Trevor withdrawals This is the 1998 draft all over again. One lock generational qb prospect and Ryan Leaf (or in this case 2-3 Ryan Leaves)Exactly and the jets are in the Ryan Leaf spot Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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