Maxman Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 By Frank Barone, it's on the front page now: http://www.jetnation.com/?p=429 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 what Mr barrone neglects to mention is the effect of players sitting out the combine - you can't win it if you aren't in it - guys like Bush, Leinart, Young, Brick, D Williams, Maroney, could have helped their draft stock but they didn't. At least Brick and Deangelo went to the senior bowl - but overall imagine all things being equal who's a better bet the guy who will workout in Feb at the combine or the guy that wants to wait for a sunny day in April? Ill take the guy who isn't scared to put himself out there everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 what Mr barrone neglects to mention is the effect of players sitting out the combine - you can't win it if you aren't in it - guys like Bush, Leinart, Young, Brick, D Williams, Maroney, could have helped their draft stock but they didn't. At least Brick and Deangelo went to the senior bowl - but overall imagine all things being equal who's a better bet the guy who will workout in Feb at the combine or the guy that wants to wait for a sunny day in April? Ill take the guy who isn't scared to put himself out there everytime. I think it's a little bit unfair to lump Bush and Brick into that category. Bush is a sure-fire top 3 pick. The only things that are going to affect him, IMO, are his height and weight. If I were him I wouldn't particpate either. His stock would plummet if he ran a 4.5, but it wouldn't go up much (he's already a top 3 pick) if he ran a 4.3. D'brick's particpation at the Senior Bowl helped his stock more than the combine ever could have. He showed the scouts what they wanted to see. I don't think he had much to gain by particpating at the combine. He weighed in heavier at the combine, which was good IMO because some people were concerned about drafting a franchise LT who only weighed 297 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 what Mr barrone neglects to mention is the effect of players sitting out the combine - you can't win it if you aren't in it - guys like Bush, Leinart, Young, Brick, D Williams, Maroney, could have helped their draft stock but they didn't. At least Brick and Deangelo went to the senior bowl - but overall imagine all things being equal who's a better bet the guy who will workout in Feb at the combine or the guy that wants to wait for a sunny day in April? Ill take the guy who isn't scared to put himself out there everytime. Agree with all of this, but you have to be realistic. Let's say Reggie Bush worked out at the combine. We all know how fast he is (& more importantly how fast he plays). But if he has an "off-day" - which any player can have on any given day - and runs a 4.58 in the 40, he'll knock himself out of the #1 slot & cost himself in excess of $10M. No one on the field has that much riding on a run. Same with Leinart. Every QB has days where they're just on fire & hit everyone in the hands in stride. They also have days where they're just "off" as well. If Tom Brady was slotted as the #2 pick in the draft, worked out at the combine, and then threw like he did in Denver, he'd drop like a cindyblock in the ocean. If they compete at the combine with everything to lose & nothing to gain (other than the pre-draft respect of armchair GM's like us), then he may be too dumb/shortsighted to warrant burning a high pick (and the accompanying $) on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 fair enough - Bush and Brick didn't need to show anything but all those other guys, including Matt "lefty Chad" Leinart have questions that need answers - they neglected to answer them at Indy that will only hurt their stock. In some senses yes production is alot more important than combine workouts but on the other hand college production guaruntees nothing. Matt Leinart beat alot of great teams but he had a TON of help. Jay Cutler had far less wins but had NO help - workouts can help settle these debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 fair enough - Bush and Brick didn't need to show anything but all those other guys, including Matt "lefty Chad" Leinart have questions that need answers - they neglected to answer them at Indy that will only hurt their stock. In some senses yes production is alot more important than combine workouts but on the other hand college production guaruntees nothing. Matt Leinart beat alot of great teams but he had a TON of help. Jay Cutler had far less wins but had NO help - workouts can help settle these debates. Leinart could only have lowered his top 3 pick ranking. Cutler was the player fighting to crack the top 10. It' all about the dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 The reason for the article is to put out there that the combine is not the end all to a player's ability to perform in the NFL. Yes it is and should be part of the evaluation but a lot more factors go into how good the player will be and let us not forget to see how he actually plays in real games- luck is certainly involved to get with the right team and right scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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