Popular Post Joe Jets fan Posted December 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2020 Let’s take a look at Baker his first year he had a coach on his way out and was fired. Baker looked good at times and shaky at others. Like a rookie QB should. Cleveland hired a crappy coach and Baker got worse. Cleveland then fired crappy coach and hired a good coach. Baker looks much better this year. Let’s take a look at Sam His first year he had a coach in his way out and was fired. Sam looked good at times and shaky at others. Like a rookie should. Keys hired a crappy coach and Sam got worse. Then the Jets kept the coach and Sam got even worse. anyone that can’t see how much a coach means to a QB are just hateful and there is no help for them. 9 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morrissey Posted December 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2020 Sam has NEVER once shown the ability to be the passer that Baker Mayfield is. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, Morrissey said: Sam has NEVER once shown the ability to be the passer that Baker Mayfield is. Agree Baker Mayfield is a gun-slinger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Baker Mayfield has been better than Sam Darnold since his first snap and it's not even close 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Called the Baker bounce back. Baker’s sophomore slump was a Kitchens slump. I was called a Baker ball washer. Sometimes being right just has to be its own reward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, Icer said: Baker Mayfield has been better than Sam Darnold since his first snap and it's not even close Revisionist history to the max. Darnold was better than baker in every way in their second year- and this was with baker having the most stacked offense in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamLurker Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Sam has always been a bad pro QB. Baker broke a rookie TD record, so was a solid QB once, and this year. Baker and Lamar are the best players of that draft; Sam is perhaps the worst. Going forward with Sam is like putting tape on a leaking roof; gotta address it at some point...Why not now? Correction: Chubb is one of the best players too, and Allen....for now at least......That major leap is somewhat sus to me, for a guy who missed routine throws mere months ago lol..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Coming out of college Baker had a 4.3 TD-to-INT Ratio in comparison to Sam's 2.5 TD-to-INT Ratio. Baker was developed out of college with 131 TDs/30 INTs and Sam wasn't with only 57 TDs/22 INTs. Baker has always been the much better QB than Sam unfortunately us Jet fans and Maccagnan fell absolutely in love with Sam because of ONE ROSE BOWL GAME vs. Penn State. I made a promise to myself because of Sam to never put stock into ONE GAME ??♂️? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryFields Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 If the Jets run it back with Sam next year I am done. Did you watch him play this season? What more do you need see? Let some other team try and fix him. He is done here. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, StrawberryFields said: If the Jets run it back with Sam next year I am done. Done already? So soon? Um... Didn't you just join JN on Sunday @ 3:33 PM?!? ??♂️? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Morrissey said: Sam has NEVER once shown the ability to be the passer that Baker Mayfield is. Baker was the worst starting QB in the nfl last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 hours ago, StrawberryFields said: If the Jets run it back with Sam next year I am done. Did you watch him play this season? What more do you need see? Let some other team try and fix him. He is done here. These posts remind me of last year when QW was considered worse than Gholston 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Mayfield has looked far better the Sam from day one when he dominated him on MNF. He was better in college and he's better now. Get a grip. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 hours ago, QB1 said: Revisionist history to the max. Darnold was better than baker in every way in their second year- and this was with baker having the most stacked offense in the NFL. Yep. Didn’t the browns stack the oline by signing Conklin? IMO it all starts there. Throw in some players like Landry and Chubb and mayfields job becomes that much easier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Baker was the worst starting QB in the nfl last season Last year was a brand New offense, with a crappy o-line. He's not turning it over now, which represents big time improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 11 hours ago, GothamLurker said: Sam has always been a bad pro QB. Baker broke a rookie TD record, so was a solid QB once, and this year. Baker and Lamar are the best players of that draft; Sam is perhaps the worst. Going forward with Sam is like putting tape on a leaking roof; gotta address it at some point...Why not now? Correction: Chubb is one of the best players too, and Allen....for now at least......That major leap is somewhat sus to me, for a guy who missed routine throws mere months ago lol..... That Josh Allen guy in Buffalo is pretty good too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Morrissey said: Sam has NEVER once shown the ability to be the passer that Baker Mayfield is. The Browns don't even think Baker is a great passer. They win by running the ball. Basically they are taking the ball out of Bakers hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Coming out of college Baker had a 4.3 TD-to-INT Ratio in comparison to Sam's 2.5 TD-to-INT Ratio. Baker was developed out of college with 131 TDs/30 INTs and Sam wasn't with only 57 TDs/22 INTs. Baker has always been the much better QB than Sam unfortunately us Jet fans and Maccagnan fell absolutely in love with Sam because of ONE ROSE BOWL GAME vs. Penn State. I made a promise to myself because of Sam to never put stock into ONE GAME ??♂️? Where was this post last season? We can all play MMQB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 hours ago, QB1 said: Revisionist history to the max. Darnold was better than baker in every way in their second year- and this was with baker having the most stacked offense in the NFL. Look up their stats in Year 1 and come back and tell me if what I said was wrong. Even with a down year last year, he still threw for more yards, YPA, and TD's albeit he had more INTs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Baker had a couple of bad games his rookie year. Sam had a couple of good games his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 hours ago, StrawberryFields said: If the Jets run it back with Sam next year I am done. Did you watch him play this season? What more do you need see? Let some other team try and fix him. He is done here. No, you're not. 100% of people who say that they're done are never done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I would say that the Mayfield/Darnold debate is starting to become reminiscent of the early Brady truther movement but the analogy seems unduly insulting to Chad Pennington. I hope there's mono in ball sweat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, Icer said: Look up their stats in Year 1 and come back and tell me if what I said was wrong. Even with a down year last year, he still threw for more yards, YPA, and TD's albeit he had more INTs I don’t give a rats ass about year 1. Baker came into the NFL much more ready to start- he should have done better. Year he Started 3 more games so his game averages were all lower. You’re wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said: anyone that can’t see how much a coach means to a QB are just hateful what? are 12 yrs old? ffs. no one hates anyone here. grow tf up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Baker Mayfield was always the better prospect. I was pissed when Cleveland made it known they were taking him 1st overall. Not that it would have mattered for the Jets though. If Cleveland took Sam, Macc, being the incompetent that he was would have probably taken Josh Rosen 3rd instead of Baker anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 10 hours ago, jgb said: Called the Baker bounce back. Baker’s sophomore slump was a Kitchens slump. I was called a Baker ball washer. Sometimes being right just has to be its own reward. So is it the coach or the QB? Cuz the only thing you've repeated more than "Sometimes being right just has to be its own reward" on these forums is some variation of: a good QB is a good QB and a bad QB is a bad QB. ftr, I agree with you about Baker. It's exactly how I've always felt about any non-1%er QB prospect. They'll always require coaching/play calling and roster help to develop into a solid pro. Where they take it from there is up to their own ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Coming out of college Baker had a 4.3 TD-to-INT Ratio in comparison to Sam's 2.5 TD-to-INT Ratio. Baker was developed out of college with 131 TDs/30 INTs and Sam wasn't with only 57 TDs/22 INTs. Baker has always been the much better QB than Sam unfortunately us Jet fans and Maccagnan fell absolutely in love with Sam because of ONE ROSE BOWL GAME vs. Penn State. I made a promise to myself because of Sam to never put stock into ONE GAME ??♂️? Do you seriously believe that in the pre- draft process, 32 NFL teams only paid attention to what Darnold did in one game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: So is it the coach or the QB? Cuz the only thing you've repeated more than "Sometimes being right just has to be its own reward" on these forums is some variation of: a good QB is a good QB and a bad QB is a bad QB. ftr, I agree with you about Baker. It's exactly how I've always felt about any non-1%er QB prospect. They'll always require coaching/play calling and roster help to develop into a solid pro. Where they take it from there is up to their own ability. Agree that flawed QBs are system/weapon dependent and Baker is a flawed QB (although much less so than Darnold). I'd put him somewhere in the 2nd quartile. It's not inconsistent with my comment that FQBs make their own weapons and that greatness -- if present -- comes through in any circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, genot said: Do you seriously believe that in the pre- draft process, 32 NFL teams only paid attention to what Darnold did in one game. They must've of... But only the Jets were stupid enough to draft him after not only Cleveland passed on Sam but the Giants took a RUNNING BACK over him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said: They must've of... But only the Jets were stupid enough to draft him after not only Cleveland passed on Sam but the Giants took a RUNNING BACK over him. It was Mayfield or Baker. Those we're the QB's that we're going 1and 2. You freakin need your head examined, dude. All the scouting reports and draft analysis from that draft are readily available online. Every report noted his turnovers and flaws in his mechanics. He still by almost all accounts the best or second past QB, in that draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Morrissey said: Sam has NEVER once shown the ability to be the passer that Baker Mayfield is. Also never once has had a single weapon as good as Baker's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 9 hours ago, StrawberryFields said: If the Jets run it back with Sam next year I am done. Did you watch him play this season? What more do you need see? Let some other team try and fix him. He is done here. I'm pretty sure nobody would care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, QB1 said: I don’t give a rats ass about year 1. Baker came into the NFL much more ready to start- he should have done better. Year he Started 3 more games so his game averages were all lower. You’re wrong. You're a homer if you think that Baker Mayfield isn't better than Darnold. The stats show it The results show it The eye test shows it The only thing you can hold up to refute it is hope 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 The problem with the OP's argument is he assumes just adding a quality HC will make Sam a better QB. Sam worked all off season with Jordan Palmer along with Josh Allen . Sam's problem is not coaching or lack of talent around him. Sam's problem is between his ears , he has no ability to read and recognize NFL defenses. Its why most of the Jets opening drives are good , because they are scripted beforehand and Sam doesn't have to think , he's given the plays that will work against a defense out of the gate. When opponents adjust Sam is not adept at rolling through his progressions or audibling at the LOS to pick out mismatches. Gase/Loggains share some blame here as well but there's too much of a pattern with Sam to believe his problem isn't his inability to read a defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Baker sucks. I agree with the OP, this is a perfect example of coaching and building around the QB. They're also an example of using all resources to building the team, not strictly relying on the draft. OBJ was a trade. Hooper, Landy, Hunt, Conklin, Tretter,- were all FA's. They drafted Willis, a TE, and WR's and Nick Chubb and they brought in the right coach who put together a stupid easy 1 read, play action offense that fits him perfect. Josh Allen also was on the path of sucking. What does Buffalo do?surround him with talent. Trading for Diggs. Signed John Brown, Cole Beasley, Mitch Morse, Daryl Williams all FA's. Drafted, Zach Moss, Devin Singletary, Gabe Davis, Cody Ford, Wyatt Teller, Dawson Knox, etc. Now go do this exercise with Sam Darnold. And this truly isnt an effort to defend Sam but the gaps between him, Mayfield and Allen, werent that big this time last year. Now, is grand canyon size and while Sam might just be a huge bust (most likely) you cant help but wonder because the bottom line is; coaching, talent and situation matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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