KRL Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I am NOT NOT NOT saying he is or ever will be Patrick Mahomes. But I think a lot of the negatives that people used against Mahomes also are used for him. System benefits QBs. Never plays against good defenses. Throwing to wide open receivers. People are being hypocritical. Because how many "All 22" tapes have we seen this year where Darnold has missed wide open receivers for layup TDs. Being able to find receivers running free is not a negative 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said: Thats a haul that would make me happy not to take Sewell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvill 51 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, pdxgreen said: Look at this way, Ray. If JD answers the first pro personnel question of "Are you keeping Sam Darnold after this season?" with "The offseason is a long process and we have many questions to answer... but we plan to keep all our options on the table." Sam is gone. I would expect him to answer that question that way whether Sam is gone or not. Why devalue the second pick by declaring Sam the starter if you’re planning on trading the pick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, freestater said: Thats a haul that would make me happy not to take Sewell. who do u take at 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, johnnysd said: thats literally the dumbest take I have read in a while...it was a PERFECT pass, on a line directly into the middle of his chest and not interceptable. bull. If that ball was out front, that db wouldn't have had his hands near it. You throw it to the tight side of the db in the NFL, and you end up with Sam Darnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: As I've said before if you want to ignore games where guys are running wide open all game and the level of comp is bad then you can eliminate 80% of all games by the top QBs. I've seen this comment a half dozen times in this thread and amazingly it is never mentioned whole Trevor lawrence is killing texas state. Which is precisely why projecting QBs is so damn hard. It's hard to find many, if any instances where they are fitting balls into NFL windows or navigating NFL pressure. Add that into not knowing what if anything they process themselves pre-snap and it's really a crap shoot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, Scoop24 said: How sewell aint going past the bengals at 3. You think your getting him at 6? thats what I'm saying, three extra #1s would make not getting Sewell a fair trade imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Is Zach accepting sister wives ? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, HawkeyeJet said: Which is precisely why projecting QBs is so damn hard. It's hard to find many, if any instances where they are fitting balls into NFL windows or navigating NFL pressure. Add that into not knowing what if anything they process themselves pre-snap and it's really a crap shoot. This is why I put a lot of stock in the final 4 playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Sure If Douglas and Co. ultimately decide that Fields or Wilson are worthy of the #2 pick, then even though I have my doubts (serious doubts), I’ll hope for the best. It’s about all I can do besides simply decide to walk away and even though that urge is stronger than it ever has been before, I’m not going to fool myself into thinking that I actually will. I know I’m in the minority at this point, but if we aren’t getting Lawrence, I’d rather bolster the rest of the roster, particularly on the offensive side, and see what Darnold is capable of with a new HC and a supporting cast that wouldn’t make 2012 Mark Sanchez snicker. It may be ultimately futile, but that’s absolutely the direction that I would prefer. I really see both points of view on this. All of it is moot however if we don’t finally hire the right head coach. Basically I’ll be happy with whichever way the jets go as long as the coach is a good choice. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, HawkeyeJet said: Which is precisely why projecting QBs is so damn hard. It's hard to find many, if any instances where they are fitting balls into NFL windows or navigating NFL pressure. Add that into not knowing what if anything they process themselves pre-snap and it's really a crap shoot. The fact that he seems to hit his wrs in stride shows accuracy, at least as much as you can take out of a game like this. He throws a better ball than fields with more touch and i just see this guy excelling on Sunday somewhere. If the jets don’t take him at 2, another team like Washington or Denver is going to trade up for him and love it. I don’t see how the jets are better off not taking Wilson, trading back and keeping darnold and building around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, Ruby2 said: I really see both points of view on this. All of it is moot however if we don’t finally hire the right head coach. Basically I’ll be happy with whichever way the jets go as long as the coach is a good choice. everything is gonna come down to the coach. You take Josh Allen and put him with Gase and we're looking at the exact same problem we have with Sam. Its never all about the guy, its the circumstances and teammates you end up putting him with. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Ruby2 said: I really see both points of view on this. All of it is moot however if we don’t finally hire the right head coach. Basically I’ll be happy with whichever way the jets go as long as the coach is a good choice. True, very true. But you have to wonder now, if coaches interviewing are gonna want them to draft a certain qb to work with as a condition of the hire. Why would good coaching candidates come to the jets if the Douglas plan is to keep darnold and trade back from 2? What coach would believe they’re going to be set up for succcess in this scenario? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Has Benjamin Allbright ever been right about anything? You're paraphrasing Bill Belichick talking about Charley Casserly (that great talent consultant who helped unearth the gem of Mike McCagnan for Wood Johnson ""Who's been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Also where the hell is RobR want to hear his thoughts regarding qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: The fact that he seems to hit his wrs in stride shows accuracy, at least as much as you can take out of a game like this. He throws a better ball than fields with more touch and i just see this guy excelling on Sunday somewhere. If the jets don’t take him at 2, another team like Washington or Denver is going to trade up for him and love it. I don’t see how the jets are better off not taking Wilson, trading back and keeping darnold and building around him. That’s it. I want this game not to convince people that Wilson a generational talent. He probably isn’t but he’s a legit NFL talent in any draft. Taking him at 2 overall is a commitment to taking a high potential guy with rare traits. Build around him, support him and max out his talent while he’s under cheap team control for 3 years. A QB guaranteed to go in the top 10 is a QB worth taking 2 overall. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: True, very true. But you have to wonder now, if coaches interviewing are gonna want them to draft a certain qb to work with as a condition of the hire. Why would good coaching candidates come to the jets if the Douglas plan is to keep darnold and trade back from 2? What coach would believe they’re going to be set up for succcess in this scenario? Maybe Daboll wants a project? Dude turned a 53 percentage passer at Wyoming into a top 5 qb. Maybe he could see Sam as his next project. Not saying this is likely but maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg555 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 This Wilson kid looks better than Fields to me. But obviously..it’s just a snap shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, freestater said: everything is gonna come down to the coach. You take Josh Allen and put him with Gase and we're looking at the exact same problem we have with Sam. Its never all about the guy, its the circumstances and teammates you end up putting him with. 100 percent. that’s why my number 1 scenario I think is Daboll and the resurrection of Sam! While we land a stud wr or te and continue to build the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 James Morgan would be just as good on this BYU team. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kdels62 Posted December 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Ruby2 said: Maybe Daboll wants a project? Dude turned a 53 percentage passer at Wyoming into a top 5 qb. Maybe he could see Sam as his next project. Not saying this is likely but maybe? JD: Hey Daboll I heard you want a project QB so here are your two options. Do you want the 21 year old with a cannon arm that kind of looks like he should be a boy band for the next 4 years? Or do you want the 24 year old with the mediocre arm who led us to a 1-15 record for just 1 year? 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg555 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 How is this kid under pressure? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoot-Face Posted December 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: Who the hell was even talking about Zach Wilson 2 weeks ago? Now all of the sudden he’s a “high end” QB prospect? Trevor Lawrence is a high end QB prospect. Zach Wilson is pure desperation from Jets fans who have been sobbing themselves to sleep at night for the last 3 days after most likely missing out on Lawrence. I don’t give two sh*ts about rolling the dice on Fields or Wilson or Jones or Trask or any other QB in this class. That’s the kind of desperate goofiness that lands you a Blake Bortles or Christian Ponder that you’re attached to for 3+ years. I can confirm this is something you don't want. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Which is precisely why projecting QBs is so damn hard. It's hard to find many, if any instances where they are fitting balls into NFL windows or navigating NFL pressure. Add that into not knowing what if anything they process themselves pre-snap and it's really a crap shoot. Either way, a majority of these guys success is the situation they get put into and if they get paired with the right coach. Coaching is everything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, kdels62 said: JD: Hey Daboll I heard you want a project QB so here are your two options. Do you want the 21 year old with a cannon arm that kind of looks like he should be a boy band for the next 4 years? Or do you want the 24 year old with the mediocre arm who led us to a 1-15 record for just 1 year? Lmaoooo counterpoint taken. I was grasping at straws. Just get me Daboll and I don’t care which way they go QB wise, I’d have faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Accept your lord and savior But but but according to Jet fans around here kids like this (born into a world of technology) aren't allowed to have a Tik Tock and Twitter account (like this kid does) ??♂️? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ruby2 said: Maybe Daboll wants a project? Dude turned a 53 percentage passer at Wyoming into a top 5 qb. Maybe he could see Sam as his next project. Not saying this is likely but maybe? I hear what you’re saying. But if I’m daboll I’d rather take the rookie who hasn’t has 3 nfl seasons of terrible coaching, bad habits to undo and the mental strain/fatigue of the ny jets stink to get rid of. I’d rather have someone like Wilson, who shows a lot of moxie and doesn’t have the physical and mental baggage that darnold has. Darnold needs a reset year at 23, that’s how bad he is. He needs to carrry a clipboard. I think douglas is taking a qb at 2, simply because gms don’t have forever to draft one, and because he’s never going to pay darnold any real kind of money for being the worst starting qb in the nfl. It’s Wilson or fields basically, because when darnold leaves the only real impact pick remaining will be Q who ironically is the best mccagnan pick who was panned his entire rookie year on this board. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryFields Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Greg555 said: This Wilson kid looks better than Fields to me. But obviously..it’s just a snap shot. Blasphemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: I hear what you’re saying. But if I’m daboll I’d rather take the rookie who hasn’t has 3 nfl seasons of terrible coaching, bad habits to undo and the mental strain/fatigue of the ny jets stink to get rid of. I’d rather have someone like Wilson, who shows a lot of moxie and doesn’t have the physical and mental baggage that darnold has. Darnold needs a reset year at 23, that’s how bad he is. He needs to carrry a clipboard. I think douglas is taking a qb at 2, simply because gms don’t have forever to draft one, and because he’s never going to pay darnold any real kind of money for being the worst starting qb in the nfl. It’s Wilson or fields basically, because when darnold leaves the only real impact pick remaining will be Q who ironically is the best mccagnan pick who was panned his entire rookie year on this board. Christ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Greg555 said: How is this kid under pressure? He was pressured in 50% of drop backs in this game. He also got mugged before the half. Threw a pick on a end of half Hail Mary. Took a while to adjust and only had like 6 possessions all game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 #WinForWilson???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 anybody who was conscious knew of Zach at least a month ago... he looks every bit as legit a prospect as Josh Allen did. and people here creamed when we got Sam. who had MAJOR turnovetr problems and just looked the other way cos "Sam Savior" it comes down to JD and Co. Do they think another QB is worth a #2. Whatever they do, they'll be doubts. And if they trade down, they trade donw to ??? who knows where? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Either way, a majority of these guys success is the situation they get put into and if they get paired with the right coach. Coaching is everything. Amen. Some don't agree and that's fine but I'm a big believer in that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, TokyoJetsFan said: imagine how hard he will throw when hes allowed to drink caffeine? Give him a 5 hour energy and after a week long bender he'll end up in a back room in Bangkok, betting on a game of Russian roulette. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 How much prsssure did Lawrence face vs Notre Dame? I didnt watch it all. What I saw , i didnt see much of any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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