Some news...for those who are interested...

[32EBoozer]

6 hours ago, Lizard King said:

Marvin Lewis would be the most Jets move of all time. 

Marvin Lewis is the guy you bring in if your team locker room blows up due to Chinese sweat shop like work environment, cultural bias or hazing issues. He is the “healing” candidate due to his fatherly look the other way approach(see Burfict, Ocho and PacMan). Hard pass. 
 

All I want for the New Year is a creative HC/OC who constructs an offense for the 21st century.  and can make in-game adjustments to what the opposing defense throws at them. The exact opposite of AG.
SF, Balt. KC, NO, TB, GB type offenses that have the run/pass game to feed off one another and scheme players open with pre-snap motion and misdirection 

[KRL]

@Maxman this is so good I think it should be pinned

[TuscanyTile2]

14 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I don't think you know nearly as much about Matt Campbell and the Iowa State football program as you think you do.  But since his name has buzz and Marvin Lewis doesn't, Lewis is embarrassing.

Tell me about Matt Campbell.

I really want to hear what you have to say about Matt Campbell, actually.

[heymangold]

@Mogglez I think if they hired Marvin Lewis I’m stepping away from this organization.  It’s basically a repeat of the Gase hire.  While Lewis had a better record, ultimately wasn’t a great HC in Cincy.  As bad as it is to say, maybe it’s just for the Rooney Rule.

As for the QB debacle, I’m for drafting Fields.  I think he has the tools, can’t go by the couple lackluster games this season, especially the NW game since it’s fresh in everyone’s minds.  

I was a Sam fan, until this season.  Was expecting a breakout, instead we all got more of the same - injuries, inconsistency and bad turnovers.  At this point I’m looking at the money aspect - I don’t want to pay Sam after this season; I don’t believe he deserves it.

What are the odds they keep Sam and draft a guy like Mac Jones or Kyle Trask at the end of round 1 or beginning of round 2?

Thanks for the info, keep it coming!

[Jet Nut]

18 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The only answer is the Jets have recognized that there’s a leadership void over the football operation and they need to do whatever it takes to bring on a program builder who can oversee every minute detail involved in building a team. Matt Campbell fits that bill. That’s your answer. People even considering Marvin Lewis are embarrassing themselves.

Again, your opinion.  

JD has the job, lets see what he does before blaming Idzik, Macc and of course the obligatory inclusion of the owners.

[Jet Nut]

18 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Marvin Lewis being a terrible hire is absolutely a fact.

Your opinion, not even close to being fact.

This was the same thing said when the Jets plan was Parcells to be followed up with Belichick.  Little Bill was going to be the worst hire ever.  

[Pennington]

Hoping for a Jags win which would pretty much be a miracle but assuming we are picking 2nd I am going with Wilson. I think he has Rodgers like qualities and the big arm necessary to thrive in cold and windy weather. As for Darnold I think there is a good chance that he can be salvaged but I am a bit iffy on that and I think he will need a star coach like Shanahan or Payton to get it out of him.

[Pennington]

4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I really want to hear what you have to say about Matt Campbell, actually.

Probably something about Iowa State being trash and the little brother to the mighty Hawkeyes.

[TuscanyTile2]

43 minutes ago, Pennington said:

I appreciate the post but to me its damn depressing. I am not sure what I hate more between hiring Lewis or drafting Fields but I am walking away from this franchise if they draft Fields.

I might be with you on this.  The idea of watching this franchise piss away another 3-4 years going down the wrong road again might be too much for me to deal with after what I've witnessed the past 10 years.  Not that I won't still be a fan of the team but I might check out emotionally. 

Sewell I could live with. 

Trading down twice I could live with. 

But taking a QB who I think will set the franchise back again might be the final nail for me.  And if we add Marvin Lewis on top of that?!?!  I mean, I know he had to deal with some (at least seemingly) awful human beings in that locker room in Cincy and I think JD isn't going down that road.  So I guess it's possible a Marvin Lewis tenure could look a lot different here.  But the idea of a retread HC who hasn't won a playoff game in 16 years is where we're turning to couldn't be any more uninspiring.  I want no part of Eric Bienemy either, btw.  

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, Jetsbb said:

"My guy is pretty certain that if the Jets don’t go QB, that they will either go Sewell and build around Sam for one more “do or die” season, or they will look to trade down." Is there another option? If they don't go QB they will either draft a player or trade down? Yea I would assume so LOL!

Love a good Moggles post, but this was sort of my takeaway.  It doesn't really say much this time.

[More Cowbell]

6 hours ago, Lizard King said:

Marvin Lewis would be the most Jets move of all time. 

Agreed. It's like a slightly upgraded version of Gase

[Pennington]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I might be with you on this.  The idea of watching this franchise piss away another 3-4 years going down the wrong road again might be too much for me to deal with after what I've witnessed the past 10 years.  Not that I won't still be a fan of the team but I might check out emotionally. 

Sewell I could live with. 

Trading down twice I could live with. 

But taking a QB who I think will set the franchise back again might be the final nail for me.  And if we add Marvin Lewis on top of that?!?!  I mean, I know he had to deal with some (at least seemingly) awful human beings in that locker room in Cincy and I think JD isn't going down that road.  So I guess it's possible a Marvin Lewis tenure could look a lot different here.  But the idea of a retread HC who hasn't won a playoff game in 16 years is where we're turning to couldn't be any more uninspiring.  I want no part of Eric Bienemy either, btw.  

I can't imagine a more damaging scenario for this franchise than going from Lawrence to Fields.

[TuscanyTile2]

28 minutes ago, Bugg said:

May be confirmation bias on my part, but rings true RE living in NY/NJ. It's not just football coaches, it's everyone. Between COVID, taxes, expense and the sheer hassle, as a "big market" this is no longer viewed as a good place to be. And it stands to be viewed as even worse if the trends continue the way they're headed. Not a day goes by you don't hear of someone pulling up stakes and heading down south or out west. 

I've been thinking about this quite a bit over this past year as well.  If I were a player there's absolutely no way I'd want New York anymore due to all the things you mentioned.  And they're probably all going to be amplified in the coming years (especially taxes).  I'd want somewhere like Florida, Texas or maybe Arizona.  

[dcJet]

This reeks of "Obviously, the Jets know something that the people up here don't."

[ZachEY]

I'm still pretty sure we can salvage Hackenberg.  It would be a waste to draft Mahommes or Watson.  Lets go with the strong safety.

[Pennington]

Now you know why Douglas didn't do what was necessary like forcing Gase to start Morgan to ensure Lawrence. This dope actually is ok with missing out on a franchise QB because he still believes in Darnold. The one chance this organization had to finally draft a franchise QB is most likely shot and nobody in the building seems to care.

[TuscanyTile2]

Didn't realize you had an insider, Mogglez.  Thanks for the post and keep 'em coming!

Btw, the next time you talk to that person can you verify if the below is true.  In particular, would they even let Gase back into the building to clean out his office?

I'd rather someone from the team just put his sh*t in boxes and mail it to him.  That way, when we kick him in his arse on the way out the door, it will be the final time we ever have to see him again.

[HawkeyeJet]

36 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Matt Campbell has built two programs who are traditionally not good at football and has won a lot of games. It doesnt necessarily have to be Campbell, but someone of that profile. It cannot be Marvin Lewis under any sort of circumstances.

Tim Beckman was 14-2 in conference play in the 2 seasons proceeding Campbell at Toledo.  Crediting Campbell for building Toledo is silly.  Toledo is also not a perennial poor MAC program.  They have had several successful runs in the last 20 years.

Campbell has done a good job at Iowa State.  It just so happens to coincide with a time that the Big 12 is arguably the worst it's ever been.  That's not his issue though.  He's built Iowa State into a respectable program.  Iowa State has had other flare ups in the not distant past, but Campbell has probably had the most consistent run there. I just don't think most people understand how they have gone about it.  Iowa State is a running game, strong defense, Ball control program. Conservative.  Most people, maybe some that even think they want Campbell, usually scoff at that philosophy. They are the antithesis of everything the Big 12 is.  That's what Campbell is smart for. 

I just find it odd how Lewis gets no credit for building a culture or program in Cincinnati based on where they were before he got there.  

[More Cowbell]

4 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Interesting stuff. Drafting Sewell and signing Thuney makes a lot of sense, especially if they hire Marvin Lewis. His Bengals teams were always pretty physical.

Also I said in another thread a few days ago that I believe Sam can be fixed. I don't see him being a lost cause like Sanchez was after the 2012 season. 

I know that wouldn't be the popular direction to go in, but I actually wouldn't hate it.

I can not believe we are actually considering Marvin Lewis. He is Gase 2.0

[slats]

7 hours ago, Mogglez said:

The thinking is if Sam can’t do it after that, you can still look for a QB next year in a class that, as of now, looks more “whole” than this years class.  Both guys also said to me that the league feeling is that, our boy, Maccagnan was a disaster of unparalleled proportions and Sam is far from “broken beyond repair”.

This is basically Mac passing on Watson and Mahomes for the more "whole" class of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield. One of the upsides of the league still feeling good about Sam (which I definitely believe) is that with one last year left on his rookie deal, and fifth year option looming, this could easily be the last time he has any legitimate trade value. 

Instead of rolling with Sam or drafting a QB, has there been any talk of signing a vet to hold the fort? 

I don't hate the idea of drafting Sewell. Gives the team inexpensive bookends for four years. You can probably only resign one, though, so long term they'd be looking at trading one, or letting one walk and collecting the comp pick. 

[Matt39]

Just now, HawkeyeJet said:

Tim Beckman was 14-2 in conference play in the 2 seasons proceeding Campbell at Toledo.  Crediting Campbell for building Toledo is silly.  Toledo is also not a perennial poor MAC program.  They have had several successful runs in the last 20 years.

Campbell has done a good job at Iowa State.  It just so happens to coincide with a time that the Big 12 is arguably the worst it's ever been.  That's not his issue though.  He's built Iowa State into a respectable program.  Iowa State has had other flare ups in the not distant past, but Campbell has probably had the most consistent run there. I just don't think most people understand how they have gone about it.  Iowa State is a running game, strong defense, Ball control program.  Most people, maybe some that even think they want Campbell, usually scoff at that philosophy. They are the antithesis of everything the Big 12 is.  That's what Campbell is smart for. 

I just find it odd how Lewis gets no credit for building a culture or program in Cincinnati based on where they were before he got there.  

Lewis didn’t run the drafts with the Bengals. As their drafts got poorer they totally collapsed. He had a ton of talent earlier on there and won zero playoff games.

[nycdan]

6 hours ago, Mogglez said:

I expect Thuney to be a high priority FA.  Many within the organization were gutted when New England, essentially, blocked him from coming here.  Add him and Sewell and, man, you are building something special.

Throw in A-Rob (if possible) and you really have created a real offense, regardless of who else we draft.  But really, the most important piece, BY FAR, will be the new coaching staff.

[Bugg]

3 minutes ago, dcJet said:

Thanks Mogglez.

This board predominately ridicules Marvin Lewis, thinks Sam Darnold sucks, and loves Justin Fields. 

This would be so Jetsey. 

It reeks of "Obviously, the Jets know something that the people up here don't."

Somebody, based on 16 years teetering between mediocrity and suck, is going to try sell Marvin Lewis. Again, give me the big selling point that you can draw based on that very big sample of terrible. And who will be the Pacman Jones and Vontez Burficit here under a Lewis regime? That's a "leader of men"? 

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I said this when Jeremiah first mentioned Lewis name, and I won't waiver.  Marvin Lewis is a better coach than most people credit him for.  He made the Bengals a solid club for a decade and did it with Andy Dalton at QB for a good portion.  He's probably not my 1st choice, but he shouldn't be a doom and gloom candidate either.  The fact that he's been in the college game for a few years now probably gives him a bit of a fresh outlook too.

If you start piecing this info together, Darnold staying, building up the OL, Lewis actually seems like a reasonable fit, as that seems very similar to his recipe in Cincinnati.

We should take a guy who developed a QB into a stud. That would be Daboll. 

[dcJet]

12 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I'm still pretty sure we can salvage Hackenberg.  It would be a waste to draft Mahommes or Watson.  Lets go with the strong safety.

Yes.  JD passing on QB this year could be very Macc'ish.

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, dcJet said:

Yes.  JD passing on QB this year could be Macc'ish.

QB at 2, or Trade for Stafford.

I'm not going to stop saying it.

[Beerfish]

Just how is Marvin Lewis, a coach that was part of an org that was fine obtaining and drafting lots of bad character types, going to get along with Douglas?

I'd be pretty upset with that hire.

Oh yeah, Gase should have been fired at the bye week at the latest. (for the hundredth time)

[Big Snell]

2 hours ago, Untouchable said:

On the offensive side I could see Lewis bringing in Jay Gruden as OC.

On the defensive side Rex Ryan?

[Columbia Jet Fan]

This is an incredible post - thanks @Mogglez

Not trying to be a dick here, as it seems everyone has agreed you've been a reliable source of information, but can anyone point me to a few other posts where Mogglez has proven his sources are legit? I seem to be out of the loop, but everyone vouching for your track record has made me optimistic albeit some of the news I find personally disappointing (not a Lewis or Fields fan). 

So yea, if anyone could shoot me a link or two on past posts would appreciate it, obviously no one owes me sh*t, but think a lot of people unfamiliar with Mogglez past would appreciate it. 

Great post regardless. 

 

[HawkeyeJet]

21 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I really want to hear what you have to say about Matt Campbell, actually.

See above in my response.  The short version is I do think he's a good coach.  I think it's a bit overblown how good, but he is a good coach.  That said, if anyone is against say Pat Fitzgerald because of the style of his teams, they should be against Campbell.  Fitzgerald is a better coach than Campbell.  

[68JET11]

7 hours ago, Mogglez said:

From what I was told, they’re still going to swing for the fences with Matt Campbell

This is good news... While it may not happen, it proves that JD has his head on straight.

 

7 hours ago, Mogglez said:

 Ideally, JD, as much as he loves Sewell, wants other players at premium positions to blow up from now until draft day, trade down, and get as much high end talent as possible to build a complete team.

Hence the whole trade down idea, that I truly believe JD will look at. For those of you that thumbsdown this idea. We have a football man in charge of this team that knows what it's going to take to build a team that is SUSTAINABLE. The more picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft we have in the next 2 years worth of draft, the better off we'll be

@Mogglez thanks as always for the great info.

[Augustiniak]

7 hours ago, Mogglez said:

To avoid making a long post even longer and making a longer introduction, many of you know that I have a source within the organization.  Many here can confirm this.  My source and I have been discussing the Jets since Sunday and where they go from here and he dropped some tidbits on me that I’ve had confirmed to me by a second, more prominent, source and am now ready to share with all of you as I’ve been given the “ok”...so here we go:

My guy is pretty certain that if the Jets don’t go QB, that they will either go Sewell and build around Sam for one more “do or die” season, or they will look to trade down.  However, JD really loves Sewell and a trade may be hard to pull off (although this was all discussed before Cincinnati won and dropped themselves in the draft, so that could change given how much the Bengals want and, quite frankly, need him).  I was also told that Zach Wilson is likely a long shot to be the selection and Douglas, if he goes QB, is more likely to go Fields.  The team is high on Justin.  There is, obviously, still a ton of work to be done however.

The most disheartening news that he spilled though is yes, for those who have been keeping tabs on what I said in another thread earlier, there are legitimate rumblings that Marvin Lewis might get a serious look at Head Coach.  I just got finished up with the more prominent source who is very connected to the league in order to kinda get a second word on this and can now confirm it.  From what I was told, they’re still going to swing for the fences with Matt Campbell and Pat Fitzgerald, but are not sure if they will leave the college ranks, especially without Lawrence.  Other names who we’ve talked, and I have mentioned before, are Greg Roman, Brian Daboll, and Joe Brady (least likely as of today).  Personally, I’d like to see Arthur Smith thrown in there too.  I believe he will be.  A dark horse discussed was Jim Harbaugh, who Woody loves, and has loved for a long time.  However, I don’t believe he leaves Michigan (yes @Defense Wins Championships, as much as I don’t love the idea, there is a chance).

The more prominent guy basically parroted what I’ve been hearing since last year and throughout this season.  The league is MUCH, and I can’t stress that enough, higher on Sam than the fans and such are, which is a big driving force behind the “give Sam one last ride” idea.  While it’s obviously very early and almost everything I’m saying right now as of today can change, the league view on every guy not named Trevor is not favorable.  Fields is most people’s number 2, with Wilson rising, but that is more of an indictment on what Fields has put on tape this season.  The consensus among the league is that Sam can absolutely be salvaged with the right talent + coaching, and that they actually view that as the scenario that would yield more rewards than drafting Fields, Lance, Wilson, etc.  Personally, I don’t know how I feel about that, but I’m not the one who is making that decision so I try and remove myself from that headspace.  Ideally, JD, as much as he loves Sewell, wants other players at premium positions to blow up from now until draft day, trade down, and get as much high end talent as possible to build a complete team.  The thinking is if Sam can’t do it after that, you can still look for a QB next year in a class that, as of now, looks more “whole” than this years class.  Both guys also said to me that the league feeling is that, our boy, Maccagnan was a disaster of unparalleled proportions and Sam is far from “broken beyond repair”.  They went as far as to say that they believe he is more fixable and moldable than Tannehill was coming out of Miami.  Obviously Gase was discussed and they could not stress enough how awful he is scheme-wise.  What he does is not “QB friendly” by any stretch of the imagination.  From the limitations on audibles (QB sneak-gate was a big example of this) all the way to route combinations.  The guy just doesn’t understand how to help his players, particularly his signal caller.  

Getting back to the draft, as of today (and of course this can change with big performances from a QB like Fields in the playoffs, more extensive film study, and whiteboard work at the combine, etc.) the thinking, not just with us, is that the QBs in this class not named Lawrence are not worth getting fired over.  There is less risk with giving Sam one last ride than associating yourself with, say, Zach Wilson, a BYU QB who lights up UCF and teams of that ilk, for the foreseeable future.  Especially if you think Sam can still reach his full potential, which was thought to be very high.  Of course we discussed the chance that a team like Denver, Chicago, Pitt, etc. blows JD away with a trade for Sam as well.  It’s unlikely, but will be something to monitor. 

While this news may not thrill many of you, both my source and the prominent person I spoke to in order to further confirm this, have done everything to back me off the “I can’t believe Douglas would do this, what a nightmare” ledge.  They stressed that he will get this team on the right track, one way or another, and that he is the real deal.  I was nervous to post this because the whole process is early, fluid, and I have no idea what type of information I will get as things change, but I always told you guys that I would be upfront with the information I could share and I will stick to that.  

Here’s the problem with this thinking:

1) if douglas knows that gase is so terrible for darnold’s development, then he should fire him.  He should have fired gase a while ago so he couldn’t do any more harm to darnold.  And if he’s not allowed to fire him, well, then gase may have ruined the qb that douglas intends to stick with instead of drafting someone else.

2) regardless of how much douglas loves darnold, i doubt the good head coaching candidates want to hitch their wagon to the lowest rated nfl qb on the joke team of the nfl.  New coaches don’t want to spend half their time fixing a young qb’s mental game.  They want a new qb to groom or a veteran like bridgewater who can run an offense and make their job easier.  

3) after watching burrow and Herbert this year, it’s very concerning to me that douglas thinks that trying to salvage darnold is a better idea than taking someone else who can potentially start hot from day 1 like these guys.  Douglas needs to realize that his scout evaluation of darnold was only a prediction, and that sometimes it’s wrong.  If douglas passes up on these qbs and they come in and play like kyler and Herbert and darnold continues to suck, douglas’ rep will take more of a hit than if he drafted one and failed.  

[dcJet]

11 minutes ago, Pennington said:

Now you know why Douglas didn't do what was necessary like forcing Gase to start Morgan to ensure Lawrence. This dope actually is ok with missing out on a franchise QB because he still believes in Darnold. The one chance this organization had to finally draft a franchise QB is most likely shot and nobody in the building seems to care.

JD doesn't have the clout to force Gase to do anything.  Gase is the alfa here.

[Adoni Beast]

Great stuff! As for the Darnold vs. Fields / Wilson debate:

- Trading down from 2 will net you far more than just trade Darnold.

- If the long-term projection of Darnold/Fields/Wilson is similar then I fully expect us to run it back with Sam.

- There is so much less risk with the 1 year left with Darnold vs swinging for the fences on Fields or Wilson. 

- What the new HC thinks is going to be huge, but if Douglas has a strong opinion about what to do with Darnold, does that factor into who he ultimately hires?

[section314]

11 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Tim Beckman was 14-2 in conference play in the 2 seasons proceeding Campbell at Toledo.  Crediting Campbell for building Toledo is silly.  Toledo is also not a perennial poor MAC program.  They have had several successful runs in the last 20 years.

Campbell has done a good job at Iowa State.  It just so happens to coincide with a time that the Big 12 is arguably the worst it's ever been.  That's not his issue though.  He's built Iowa State into a respectable program.  Iowa State has had other flare ups in the not distant past, but Campbell has probably had the most consistent run there. I just don't think most people understand how they have gone about it.  Iowa State is a running game, strong defense, Ball control program.  Most people, maybe some that even think they want Campbell, usually scoff at that philosophy. They are the antithesis of everything the Big 12 is.  That's what Campbell is smart for. 

I just find it odd how Lewis gets no credit for building a culture or program in Cincinnati based on where they were before he got there.  

Hmmm....sounds like Pat Fitzgerald, who many don't want any part of.  Question for you.....the Hawkeye's C, who was 1st team all Big10, what do you think of him? He's only a Soph, right? Is he draft eligible?