Mogglez Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, thshadow said: You might be right. But if Mims was the first read, it was pretty clear he was going to be wide open a split-second after his stutter. Right when Fant was getting pushed into his face. Seems to me that he could have slid left a step or two and had an easy play. But it wasn't clear Darnold was even looking at him... This is the pocket after Sam finished the drop back and properly set his feet: Here is the rest of the field at this same moment: At this point Mims isn’t getting the ball, regardless of who the QB is. You have a lead, you’re trying to ice the game. Either roll out and try to make a play or lay down, take the sack to avoid total disaster, and continue running the clock. Fortunately, Sam knew he had Herndon peeling off underneath and absolutely no one on the Browns defense accounted for him. It’s honestly just a great play by Darnold, and I’ve been incredibly hard on him this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Good, strong hands. Can't get separation. He'll be nothing more or less than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Good, strong hands. Can't get separation. He'll be nothing more or less than that. Completely untrue, and there is plenty of film and numbers to prove this wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Completely untrue, and there is plenty of film and numbers to prove this wrong. True, I did see that his hands weren't that strong, but gave him the benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/27/2020 at 8:02 PM, kmnj said: The hype was massive on him and berrios has been more productive this season- this is a fact Hope year two is better than year one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Mogglez said: At this point Mims isn’t getting the ball, regardless of who the QB is. You have a lead, you’re trying to ice the game. Either roll out and try to make a play or lay down, take the sack to avoid total disaster, and continue running the clock. Fortunately Sam knew he had Herndon peeling off underneath and absolutely no one on the Browns defense accounted for him. It’s honestly just a great play by Darnold, and I’ve been incredibly hard on him this year. Thanks. (I also didn't remember when in the game that happened.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 1:06 PM, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I've seen enough of Mims to be excited about what could be. I've not seen enough Mims to anoint him as our next great receiver. I do not get Stephen Hill or Devin Smith vibes from him at all. Pretty much agree. Also, people killing Smith. Smith wasn't a bust in the talent regard, he kept getting hurt. He had a teammate break his ribs in a non contact drill, and then blew an ACL or 2. To me, that is more bad luck, we'll never really know where he would have been with his talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: No, I'm not. There are many clips showing Sam missing guys wide open, that don't show the line breaking down. I've seen more than a few live. The video clip I qouted was originally posted because someone said Mims didn't get any separation. My opinion isn't based on that one clip. If he comes back next year I'll be rooting for him to succeed as he has potential and is an easy guy to root for. That doesn't mean I'm not ready to move on to the next contestant. The other clips are irrelevant, we are talking about this clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, QB1 said: The other clips are irrelevant, we are talking about this clip. You are, I wasn't. Pretty sure I expressed that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/27/2020 at 9:13 PM, Losmeister said: there was some stats 40+ yds fist 5 starts or some such, short list Mims was on it Sam is a game manager who is in love with Crowder crosses at 5 yds deep. 48 for 576 @ 63% Robby is doing the same in Caro...has 85 catches and 1017 yds @ 71% Sam is a WR nightmare. I think that is 80% what Gase calls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Darnold- actually good, despite the stats Mims- also actually good, despite the stats Jets- actually good, despite the record. Gase- bad Jets offensive guards- bad things are looking up boys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FidelioJet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Scoop24 said: Getting open because of scheme and misplays is one thing - He didn't "Beat" anyone is those plays. Creating natural separation is something entirely different. He hasn't shown the ability to do that on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: Good, strong hands. Can't get separation. He'll be nothing more or less than that. Fcking stupidly incorrect post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, Paradis said: Fcking stupidly incorrect post. Why are you so angry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Why are you so angry? Because! We haven’t drafted a worthy WR in 15 years and when we finally do - I gotta read this trash. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Paradis said: Because! We haven’t drafted a worthy WR in 15 years and when we finally do - I gotta read this trash. Are you suggesting he's regularly beating the man covering him? I certainly don't see it. I see a guy that finds holes in zones on occasions and has made some quality contested catches. But creating separation is something I haven't seen from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Getting open because of scheme and misplays is one thing - He didn't "Beat" anyone is those plays. Creating natural separation is something entirely different. He hasn't shown the ability to do that on a regular basis. Huh? He didn’t beat Ward in that play? What did he do exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, Samtorobby47 said: Huh? He didn’t beat Ward in that play? What did he do exactly? OMG - you're referencing 1 play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Are you suggesting he's regularly beating the man covering him? I certainly don't see it. I see a guy that finds holes in zones on occasions and has made some quality contested catches. But creating separation is something I haven't seen from him. It’s an incorrect assessment. He is getting separation. You don’t know what his assignments are, nor what route he’s being asked to run and why. All he did was get separation when he needed to. Both in college, senior bowl, and in the NFL. It’s just an erroneous perception that you have. When the ball leaves the quarterback late, what you see is not a lack of separation. no one is throwing on time in Gase’s offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: OMG - you're referencing 1 play? You JUST said he didn’t beat anyone in those plays. Which included that 1 play. So you’re saying he did beat him? Which is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Paradis said: It’s an incorrect assessment. He is getting separation. You don’t know what his assignments are, nor what route he’s being asked to run and why. All he did was get separation when he needed to. Both in college, senior bowl, and in the NFL. It’s just an erroneous perception that you have. When the ball leaves the quarterback late, what you see is not a lack of separation. no one is throwing on time in Gase’s offense you're talking to a Qanon devotee, science and climate denying flat earther... question. why? i can catch the tiny toad in my garden, send him/her to you, he cant type but he can make noises... i dont think he;s talking about football, but maybe he is? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Mims is one of the players I’m least worried about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Gee I wonder if Darnold having the worst deep ball in the league has anything to do with Mims not catching any deep balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 This talk, debate, disagreements on Mims is directly related to peoples views on Darnold, Herndon, and others. Nobody should be judged until Gase is gone, and a competent staff is put in place. Gase is that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, genot said: This talk, debate, disagreements on Mims is directly related to peoples views on Darnold, Herndon, and others. Nobody should be judged until Gase is gone, and a competent staff is put in place. Gase is that bad. Except Mims is a rookie. Darnold is three years deep into suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: Except Mims is a rookie. Darnold is three years deep into suck. Im not comparing them. I know Mims is a rookie. Herndon was a rookie once too. Looked like he had pro bowl potential. What happened. Gase happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, genot said: Im not comparing them. I know Mims is a rookie. Herndon was a rookie once too. Looked like he had pro bowl potential. What happened. Gase happened. Gase sucks no dispute there. But we can still judge these guys. Especially guys like Darnold and Herndon three years in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, jgb said: Gase sucks no dispute there. But we can still judge these guys. Especially guys like Darnold and Herndon three years in. Let's forget Sam for a second. Did Herndon forget how to run routes? Did he slow down since his rookie year. He was a real threat downfield as a rookie. Probably our best receiver running after the catch. He was Darnold's go to guy when he was in trouble Gase completely neutered him. What idiot would take away a receiver a young QB was developing chemistry with. Especially after losing his favorite outside receiver. Robby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: Darnold- actually good, despite the stats Mims- also actually good, despite the stats Jets- actually good, despite the record. Gase- bad Jets offensive guards- bad things are looking up boys. I definitely hear you, but do you think it's fair to lump Mims in with Darnold just yet. Darnold has been here 3 years, and since he sucks, don't you have to see Mims with another QB? Mims is a rookie, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Mims is one of the players I’m least worried about. Yeah, I don't get this weird trend to suddenly bash Mims. He looks like a nice big target for a long time to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addage Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: Darnold- actually good, despite the stats Mims- also actually good, despite the stats Jets- actually good, despite the record. Gase- bad Jets offensive guards- bad things are looking up boys. You make a good point. Not sure you're right, but you sure aren't wrong. Parcells--you are what your record is. But it's also true that a weak team makes each player look worse and a strong team makes each player look better. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is what JD gets paid to do. Hope he is up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 55 minutes ago, genot said: Let's forget Sam for a second. Did Herndon forget how to run routes? Did he slow down since his rookie year. He was a real threat downfield as a rookie. Probably our best receiver running after the catch. He was Darnold's go to guy when he was in trouble Gase completely neutered him. What idiot would take away a receiver a young QB was developing chemistry with. Especially after losing his favorite outside receiver. Robby. Gase is a bad coach. We have established that. Not sure what you are trying to debate with me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, jgb said: Gase sucks no dispute there. But we can still judge these guys. Especially guys like Darnold and Herndon three years in. At this rate, you won't be able to judge Darnold until he's 30. Or on his 4th NFL team. Whichever comes later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, jgb said: Gase is a bad coach. We have established that. Not sure what you are trying to debate with me lol Im not trying too debate you. My point is TE' s aren't used much in his offense. Didn't work in Miami. Didn't work here. And it, among other things, stymied Darnold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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