Popular Post KRL Posted December 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 I've been totally "wishy-washy" about whether to bring Darnold back or to move on. But in this post I'm going to say move on. Why? Because one draft spot shouldn't change the evaluation of Darnold's performance. If we got the #1 spot Douglas would've put Darnold on the market immediately, no questions asked. Should being in the #2 spot change his thought process that drastically? Granted there's a "perceived" difference between Lawrence and Fields or Wilson (we'll see) but there's no difference in Darnold's performance. He's been uneven and below average no matter what our draft position is. I say re-start the "QB $$$ clock" and use what BUF did with Josh Allen as our model to reset the QB position. In 2018 there is no QB I wanted less than Josh Allen, he was a physical freak who had poor accuracy and "wet the bed" against decent competition. In 3 years a good offensive staff has grown Allen in every facet of QB play until he's now a legitimate MVP candidate. You could've never convinced me that Allen would ever be a QB that could complete 68% of his passes: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen So I'm going to put the pressure on Douglas and his staff to: - Find the right HC with an innovative offensive staff who has a real plan to grow a QB - Properly evaluate Fields and Wilson and pull the trigger My general off-season plan would be: - Trade Darnold for a #3 hopefully a #2 - In free agency sign a G (Thuney?), WR (Robinson/Godwin?) and Edge (Judon?) - In the draft: #1 - Fields or Wilson #1 - BPA CB or Edge #2 - BPA CB or Edge (whatever we don't pick with our second #1) #3 - BPA WR #3 - BPA OL #3 - BPA RB My 2 cents until I probably change my mind 9 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post QB1 Posted December 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 I don’t disagree. The move here is to take Fields who is an elite top tier athlete like Allen. Built like a tank, Cannon, accurate, 4.4 speed, elusive. The guy has a higher QBR than TL for Christ’s sake. And pair him with Daboll or Roman. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 A lot depends on who they hire to be head coach. I'd like to think that Douglas has the authority to decide who the club should hire. I'll be very surprised if they get a 3rd for Darnold. You'd need a coach or front office, somewhere, to really like him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted December 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, KRL said: I've been totally "wishy-washy" about whether to bring Darnold back or to move on. But in this post I'm going to say move on. Why? Because one draft spot shouldn't change the evaluation of Darnold's performance. If we got the #1 spot Douglas would've put Darnold on the market immediately, no questions asked. Should being in the #2 spot change his thought process that drastically? Granted there's a "perceived" difference between Lawrence and Fields or Wilson (we'll see) but there's no difference in Darnold's performance. He's been uneven and below average no matter what our draft position is. I say re-start the "QB $$$ clock" and use what BUF did with Josh Allen as our model to reset the QB position. In 2018 there is no QB I wanted less than Josh Allen, he was a physical freak who had poor accuracy and "wet the bed" against decent competition. In 3 years a good offensive staff has grown Allen in every facet of QB play until he's now a legitimate MVP candidate. You could've never convinced me that Allen would ever be a QB that could complete 68% of his passes: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen So I'm going to put the pressure on Douglas and his staff to: - Find the right HC with an innovative offensive staff who has a real plan to grow a QB - Properly evaluate Fields and Wilson and pull the trigger My general off-season plan would be: - Trade Darnold for a #3 hopefully a #2 - In free agency sign a G (Thuney?), WR (Robinson/Godwin?) and Edge (Judon?) - In the draft: #1 - Fields or Wilson #1 - BPA CB or Edge #2 - BPA CB or Edge (whatever we don't pick with our second #1) #3 - BPA WR #3 - BPA OL #3 - BPA RB My 2 cents until I probably change my mind I agree, without question, we're taking a QB. I think it would be insane to do that and then go out and take defense with the next two premium picks. It would be full-on dereliction of duties. Both of those picks need...I repeat NEED to be offense or JD should be fired on the spot. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennington Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Draft Wilson or else Douglas will be unemployed in short order especially if he wastes the pick on the trash that Fields is. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post genot Posted December 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, KRL said: I've been totally "wishy-washy" about whether to bring Darnold back or to move on. But in this post I'm going to say move on. Why? Because one draft spot shouldn't change the evaluation of Darnold's performance. If we got the #1 spot Douglas would've put Darnold on the market immediately, no questions asked. Should being in the #2 spot change his thought process that drastically? Granted there's a "perceived" difference between Lawrence and Fields or Wilson (we'll see) but there's no difference in Darnold's performance. He's been uneven and below average no matter what our draft position is. I say re-start the "QB $$$ clock" and use what BUF did with Josh Allen as our model to reset the QB position. In 2018 there is no QB I wanted less than Josh Allen, he was a physical freak who had poor accuracy and "wet the bed" against decent competition. In 3 years a good offensive staff has grown Allen in every facet of QB play until he's now a legitimate MVP candidate. You could've never convinced me that Allen would ever be a QB that could complete 68% of his passes: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen So I'm going to put the pressure on Douglas and his staff to: - Find the right HC with an innovative offensive staff who has a real plan to grow a QB - Properly evaluate Fields and Wilson and pull the trigger My general off-season plan would be: - Trade Darnold for a #3 hopefully a #2 - In free agency sign a G (Thuney?), WR (Robinson/Godwin?) and Edge (Judon?) - In the draft: #1 - Fields or Wilson #1 - BPA CB or Edge #2 - BPA CB or Edge (whatever we don't pick with our second #1) #3 - BPA WR #3 - BPA OL #3 - BPA RB My 2 cents until I probably change my mind Lol. With respect. But still. Lol. Allen elevated his game at the same time Cole Beasley and Stephan Diggs arrived. Coincidence. Hell no. These guys run great routes, get open, and catch the ball. Without that, a young QB, tries to play hero, and forces the issue. Of course the playcalling makes a difference too. Mcdermott vs Gase. No contest. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennington Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 To go from Lawrence to Fields would doom this franchise for the next decade. At least with Wilson there is a chance that he can be as good as Lawrence. Sticking with Darnold or betting his career on Fields would define the Douglas era as nearly as bad as Maccagnan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Trade Sam, sign Dalton as a FA and draft Fields or Wilson at 2. Let the FA start the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, KRL said: My general off-season plan would be: - Trade Darnold for a #3 hopefully a #2 - In free agency sign a G (Thuney?), WR (Robinson/Godwin?) and Edge (Judon?) - In the draft: #1 - Fields or Wilson If I can't get a second round pick or better for Darnold, I'd carry him into training camp (or into the season if need be) with an eye towards trading him before the deadline. If they have Fields and Wilson that close, make that trade work with Cincy and get the #5 pick, their second rounder, and their first in 2022, and then take your choice of the two or whoever's left. Don't see three QBs going in the top four this year. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choon328 Posted December 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 I don't see the benefit in bringing back Darnold. 1st, he's not JD's QB 2nd, the Jets will never pick up his 5th year option based on this year. 3rd, there are better trade options (Minshew/Wentz) if they don't want to draft a QB at #2. 4th, Wilson or Fields can't play much worse than Darnold has this year. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I agree, without question, we're taking a QB. I think it would be insane to do that and then go out and take defense with the next two premium picks. It would be full-on dereliction of duties. Both of those picks need...I repeat NEED to be offense or JD should be fired on the spot. I've been saying that for about 5 years and every year I'm disappointed. I hope it happens this year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, slats said: If I can't get a second round pick or better for Darnold, I'd carry him into training camp (or into the season if need be) with an eye towards trading him before the deadline. If they have Fields and Wilson that close, make that trade work with Cincy and get the #5 pick, their second rounder, and their first in 2022, and then take your choice of the two or whoever's left. Don't see three QBs going in the top four this year. His value — such as it is at this point — drops like a stone once training camps start. Makes no sense to keep him and try to trade him mid-season. That’s a “worst of both worlds” scenario. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, genot said: Lol. With respect. But still. Lol. Allen elevated his game at the same time Cole Beasley and Stephan Diggs arrived. Coincidence. Hell no. These guys run great routes, get open, and catch the ball. Without that, a young QB, tries to play hero, and forces the issue. Of course the playcalling makes a difference too. Mcdermott vs Gase. No contest. I kind of agree. You can't replicate what Buffalo did. They had a plan for Josh Allen, and they built an offense tailored to his strengths. It's difficult to do, especially when the players aren't available. What if somebody like Diggs wasn't available? Let's not forget, the Bills had a respectable defense and some continuity on their coaching staff. McDermott had been in the job for a while, and knew his team's weaknesses. The Jets gotta do it their own way; no point in looking around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, choon328 said: I don't see the benefit in bringing back Darnold. 1st, he's not JD's QB 2nd, the Jets will never pick up his 5th year option based on this year. 3rd, there are better trade options (Minshew/Wentz) if they don't want to draft a QB at #2. 4th, Wilson or Fields can't play much worse than Darnold has this year. Darnold will be a star QB in this league. You will be ordering multiple Darnold love dolls, after wearing out the first one you received 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, jgb said: His value — such as it is at this point — drops like a stone once training camps start. Makes no sense to keep him and try to trade him mid-season. That’s a “worst of both worlds” scenario. Not only that but the Jets have to decide on his 5th year option prior to training camp, which they'll decline of course. Which then puts him on the last year of his deal which would lower his trade value as well. He would need to be gone by FA in order to maximize his value. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, genot said: Darnold will be a star QB in this league. You will be ordering multiple Darnold love dolls, after wearing out the first one you received I loved Darnold but he's the worst QB from that draft not named Rosen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, choon328 said: I've been saying that for about 5 years and every year I'm disappointed. I hope it happens this year. Team desperately needs a stud WR or RB. Somebody young, that can put up 1000 yard seasons over and over. They haven't had one in over a decade. Marshall and Decker had that one big season in 2015, but other than that...the offense has consistently been one of the league's worst. Defenses don't fear the Jets. I wouldn't mind throwing money at a Chris Godwin in FA. He's 24, model professional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, choon328 said: I don't see the benefit in bringing back Darnold. 1st, he's not JD's QB 2nd, the Jets will never pick up his 5th year option based on this year. 3rd, there are better trade options (Minshew/Wentz) if they don't want to draft a QB at #2. 4th, Wilson or Fields can't play much worse than Darnold has this year. I agree completely. Plus he will be ‘dead qb walking’ and everyone would know it. He needs to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, predator_05 said: I kind of agree. You can't replicate what Buffalo did. They had a plan for Josh Allen, and they built an offense tailored to his strengths. It's difficult to do, especially when the players aren't available. What if somebody like Diggs wasn't available? Let's not forget, the Bills had a respectable defense and some continuity on their coaching staff. McDermott had been in the job for a while, and knew his team's weaknesses. The Jets gotta do it their own way; no point in looking around. That's right. Defense counts. Offense has more chances to put up points. Field position counts. I say this ad nauseum. It's a team game. It's not tennis. We need to double dip at WR, in the off season. Our outside guys at this point are a jike against a good defense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, slats said: If I can't get a second round pick or better for Darnold, I'd carry him into training camp (or into the season if need be) with an eye towards trading him before the deadline. If they have Fields and Wilson that close, make that trade work with Cincy and get the #5 pick, their second rounder, and their first in 2022, and then take your choice of the two or whoever's left. Don't see three QBs going in the top four this year. Agree, but only if they have Fields and Wilson that close. If they have one a full standard deviation above the other, I think they have to pull the trigger at 1.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, KRL said: I've been totally "wishy-washy" about whether to bring Darnold back or to move on. But in this post I'm going to say move on. Why? Because one draft spot shouldn't change the evaluation of Darnold's performance. If we got the #1 spot Douglas would've put Darnold on the market immediately, no questions asked. Should being in the #2 spot change his thought process that drastically? Granted there's a "perceived" difference between Lawrence and Fields or Wilson (we'll see) but there's no difference in Darnold's performance. He's been uneven and below average no matter what our draft position is. I say re-start the "QB $$$ clock" and use what BUF did with Josh Allen as our model to reset the QB position. In 2018 there is no QB I wanted less than Josh Allen, he was a physical freak who had poor accuracy and "wet the bed" against decent competition. In 3 years a good offensive staff has grown Allen in every facet of QB play until he's now a legitimate MVP candidate. You could've never convinced me that Allen would ever be a QB that could complete 68% of his passes: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3918298/josh-allen So I'm going to put the pressure on Douglas and his staff to: - Find the right HC with an innovative offensive staff who has a real plan to grow a QB - Properly evaluate Fields and Wilson and pull the trigger My general off-season plan would be: - Trade Darnold for a #3 hopefully a #2 - In free agency sign a G (Thuney?), WR (Robinson/Godwin?) and Edge (Judon?) - In the draft: #1 - Fields or Wilson #1 - BPA CB or Edge #2 - BPA CB or Edge (whatever we don't pick with our second #1) #3 - BPA WR #3 - BPA OL #3 - BPA RB My 2 cents until I probably change my mind Don't know how you did this but you took points from my various posts and condensed them into one concise post. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, slats said: If I can't get a second round pick or better for Darnold, I'd carry him into training camp (or into the season if need be) with an eye towards trading him before the deadline. If they have Fields and Wilson that close, make that trade work with Cincy and get the #5 pick, their second rounder, and their first in 2022, and then take your choice of the two or whoever's left. Don't see three QBs going in the top four this year. From the jet fan perspective, we want major trade value for darnold. Many want him to stay. I doubt douglas feels the same. I think he’ll take reasonable trade value for him and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, jgb said: His value — such as it is at this point — drops like a stone once training camps start. Makes no sense to keep him and try to trade him mid-season. That’s a “worst of both worlds” scenario. I think they’ll get a second or better if they put him on the market. His value to the league is still higher than it is on this board, especially those rushing to be right about players sucking. But if they don’t get that, he’ll retain that value and it could go up rather quickly if another team lost their starter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, choon328 said: I've been saying that for about 5 years and every year I'm disappointed. I hope it happens this year. Yes. Scheme defense. We have some of the young kids really starting to play well. QB is pretty much the only thing that matters. Give him the tools and weapons to learn the game. In a few years, when he's figured out the game and can carry the team - draft defense to your hearts content - QB should be able to elevate the team by then. Right now - it's offense, offense and more offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Agree, but only if they have Fields and Wilson that close. If they have one a full standard deviation above the other, I think they have to pull the trigger at 1.02 Wilson will separate himself at the combine, if he throws there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, greenwichjetfan said: Agree, but only if they have Fields and Wilson that close. If they have one a full standard deviation above the other, I think they have to pull the trigger at 1.02 Ultimately everything starts with these qb evals. If douglas and the new hc/OC want one, i think they don’t get cute esp. with atl and Carolina and who knows who else waiting there to snap them up. A team like Denver could swoop in, elway really wants his guy and lock sucks. I think we go qb at 2 unless douglas really gets a haul to trade back, kinda like how he fleeced Seattle with the adams trade. He could still get a qb at 4-5, then use day 2 to restock the offensive weaponry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, choon328 said: I loved Darnold but he's the worst QB from that draft not named Rosen. Hey man. Look. I respect everybody's views here.Obviously yours too. I just think your wrong about Sam. He's been continuously put in a bad position that made it difficult for him to be comfortable and grow in the position.I have faith in Douglas. I believe he see' s the same thing, and this off season he fixes the things that have held Darnold back. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, slats said: I think they’ll get a second or better if they put him on the market. His value to the league is still higher than it is on this board, especially those rushing to be right about players sucking. But if they don’t get that, he’ll retain that value and it could go up rather quickly if another team lost their starter. I actually question how much value darnold has, his tape is awful, he’s regressed from his rookie year and he’s been injured each season. His tools are not elite either. Maybe a 2nd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, genot said: Darnold will be a star QB in this league. You will be ordering multiple Darnold love dolls, after wearing out the first one you received you can have my Darnold bobblehead doll and jersey - never worn - at a discount. PM me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 I agree 100% with drafting a QB at 2. However with Seattle’s pick and #33 I’d be targeting an interior Olineman and then one of Etienne, Harris or Freiermuth with #33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: you can have my Darnold bobblehead doll and jersey - never worn - at a discount. PM me. Keep it. When Darnold elevates his game, i don't want to have any guilt feelings about owning your Darnold memorabilia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: I actually question how much value darnold has, his tape is awful, he’s regressed from his rookie year and he’s been injured each season. His tools are not elite either. Maybe a 2nd. There are probably 31 NFL teams who believe they would’ve done a much better job with Darnold, and they’re right. But all it takes is one. I’m optimistic that JD will do well if/when he moves him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, QB1 said: I don’t disagree. The move here is to take Fields who is an elite top tier athlete like Allen. Built like a tank, Cannon, accurate, 4.4 speed, elusive. The guy has a higher QBR than TL for Christ’s sake. And pair him with Daboll or Roman. If Fields beats the hell out of Trevor then I will be interested. Watching him 4 times, I haven't been impressed. Small sample size for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, genot said: Hey man. Look. I respect everybody's views here.Obviously yours too. I just think your wrong about Sam. He's been continuously put in a bad position that made it difficult for him to be comfortable and grow in the position.I have faith in Douglas. I believe he see' s the same thing, and this off season he fixes the things that have held Darnold back. What has held him back is his inaccuracy and bad decision making. You can put him with 2 HOF WR's and those things wouldn't change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, slats said: There are probably 31 NFL teams who believe they would’ve done a much better job with Darnold, and they’re right. But all it takes is one. I’m optimistic that JD will do well if/when he moves him. Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean that a team will be willing to dole out multiple high draft picks for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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