Smizzy Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 What kind of yr do you see him having this yr? He did very well last yr coming over from coors and dropped his era to 2.85. Any serious thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 What kind of yr do you see him having this yr? He did very well last yr coming over from coors and dropped his era to 2.85. Any serious thoughts? I see Chacon getting absolutely lambasted by an awesome Tigers offense.........only for the Tigers Bullpen to blow the lead and let the Yankees still win the game. :Cuss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I want to see him do it again before I make him a solid number 2 starter. Colorado (take it for what it is worth) as we all know is death to any kind of pitching. I think through his entire career there he had maybe at best a good three-four months stretch coming out of the bullpen. Right now Chacon along with Mussina, Johnson, Pavano are really question marks at best. For the Yanks to be major players in the post season they need any combination of the three to come up with solid years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Chacon and Wang will be the best SP for the Yankees this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 17-20 wins and a sub 3 ERA would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrik Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 17-20 wins and a sub 3 ERA would be nice. I would call that wishful thinking. btw, Small's in the pen right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I would call that wishful thinking. btw, Small's in the pen right? I believe so....but with Pavano starting the year on the DL who knows. Johnson Mussina Chacon Wang Small (Am I missing someone?) Wright in the bullpen, screw him as a starter option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I don't see him doing it again. Not with a new pitching coach. He was too good last year. He won't reach that level again here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Please put Small in the rotation. The wheels are coming off that wagon this year. Hey, We'll trade you Kenny Rogers guys, we'll need to unload him before his post-AS Game collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 13-16 Wins with an ERA in the around 3.40-3.55 ERA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 13-16 Wins with an ERA in the around 3.40-3.55 ERA with this lineup he could have 13-16 wins with an era around 4.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 with this lineup he could have 13-16 wins with an era around 4.5. or even 5.5!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 If they leave him alone in the rotation, and let him get some 27-32 starts, I bet he gets to 14-15 wins, and keeps his ERA below 4.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Chacon and Wang will be the best SP for the Yankees this season. Agree. I think a healthy Randy does well also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 8-10 wins +4.50 ERA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 With the Yanks offense he will pick up 12-14 wins with an over 4 ERA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 8-10 wins +4.50 ERA In all seriousness Troll, aside from maybe hating the yankees, what would you base something like this on other than wishful thinking? The guy had a very high percentage of quality starts away from Coors in the NL and was lights out last season in the AL. I wouldn't say he's going to pitch as well as he did last season but why would a guy with his track record win 8-10 games with that yankee line up unless you're predicting a major injury. Just thought I'd try to get some halfway decent baseball conversation going. The 8th grade "your team sucks because they're not my team" stuff is getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 In all seriousness Troll, aside from maybe hating the yankees, what would you base something like this on other than wishful thinking? The guy had a very high percentage of quality starts away from Coors in the NL and was lights out last season in the AL. I wouldn't say he's going to pitch as well as he did last season but why would a guy with his track record win 8-10 games with that yankee line up unless you're predicting a major injury. Just thought I'd try to get some halfway decent baseball conversation going. The 8th grade "your team sucks because they're not my team" stuff is getting old. Wishful thinking would be believing he can repeat what he did last year. Some people are calling for his ERA to be under 3. That is absolutely ridiculous. What did the Yanks give up for Chacon? If he's so great, why weren't there more suitors? Chacon is better out of the pen than he is as a starter. He's nothing special. A JAG. Yank fans often make the mistake of over-rating their players and this is a classic example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 16 wins 4.12 era 9 losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Wishful thinking would be believing he can repeat what he did last year. Some people are calling for his ERA to be under 3. That is absolutely ridiculous. What did the Yanks give up for Chacon? If he's so great, why weren't there more suitors? Chacon is better out of the pen than he is as a starter. He's nothing special. A JAG. Yank fans often make the mistake of over-rating their players and this is a classic example. Ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Wishful thinking would be believing he can repeat what he did last year. Some people are calling for his ERA to be under 3. That is absolutely ridiculous. What did the Yanks give up for Chacon? If he's so great, why weren't there more suitors? Chacon is better out of the pen than he is as a starter. He's nothing special. A JAG. Yank fans often make the mistake of over-rating their players and this is a classic example. troll - the yankees are going to win 95-100 games this year and those wins have to come from somewhere. lets give the bullpen 25, that leaves 70 wins for the starters meaning an avg of 14 each. as long as chacon stays in the rotation he will win at least 12 and probably more like 15 or 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 troll - the yankees are going to win 95-100 games this year and those wins have to come from somewhere. lets give the bullpen 25, that leaves 70 wins for the starters meaning an avg of 14 each. as long as chacon stays in the rotation he will win at least 12 and probably more like 15 or 16. That is what everyone said last year. To be honest, I don't see the Yankees being that much better than they were last year. They are the underachieving, heartless 2005 Yankees + Johnny Damon. I see their rotation as totally average. I honestly think the Red Sox will win the AL East. And I'm not saying that to be an ******* here. Sox fans piss me off way more than you guys do. Y'all are both nonsensical, but at least Yank fans know what football team to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Chacon is starting Thursday, 1pm on YES...tune in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 That is what everyone said last year. To be honest, I don't see the Yankees being that much better than they were last year. They are the underachieving, heartless 2005 Yankees + Johnny Damon. I see their rotation as totally average. I honestly think the Red Sox will win the AL East. And I'm not saying that to be an ******* here. Sox fans piss me off way more than you guys do. Y'all are both nonsensical, but at least Yank fans know what football team to root for. last year was a down year and they still slugged their way to 95 wins. the pitching staff was plagued by injury so the wins were more distributed. anyone who starts 30 games this year should have 15-20 wins if they can keep the era b/w 3.5 - 4.5. mussina had 13 wins with an era around 4.5, i expect the same from both him and chacon this year. with a CF who can actually cover some ground look for all of the era's to drop a little. i expect both mussina, chacon, and wang to have around 16 wins each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJets Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Chacon won't repeat his 2.85 ERA performance, but I would be SHOCKED if his ERA was over 3.6, or 3.7. This is a guy who pitched in Colorado, and his best pitch is a sharp as hell curveball... that translated into disaster at Coors Field. He can handle the pressure of NY, and he has an incredible curveball. He'll be a strong #3 type for a while here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 That is what everyone said last year. To be honest, I don't see the Yankees being that much better than they were last year. They are the underachieving, heartless 2005 Yankees + Johnny Damon. I see their rotation as totally average. I honestly think the Red Sox will win the AL East. And I'm not saying that to be an ******* here. Sox fans piss me off way more than you guys do. Y'all are both nonsensical, but at least Yank fans know what football team to root for. Randy was in his first season in the Bronx last year. He had a calf injury in ST, and combined with the NY adjustment period, he struggled, until mid-season. He will be better this season. And he was 17-9, with a 3.7 ERA in his adjustment season. Heck, even Clemens struggled in year 1, and Randy was quite better then Roger was in year 1. It is not unreasonable to expect a win or 2 more in games he starts. Also, Wang and Chacon will be here for a whole season. If they get some 55 starts combined, they will be better then the 20 starts from the likes of Shawn Henn, Darrell May, and the other scrubs the Yankees filled in with in June and July last year. Finally, Moose is in a contract year. While I doubt the Yankees will pick up his option, at 17 million, for 2007, I do think he will show that he is not the injury-prone hurler from the past 2 seasons who struggled to get past 13 wins. All in all, the starters should be better then last year, as a group. This should put less pressure on the pen, as they won't be coming out in the 3rd and 4th inning 2 out of every 5 days for a 10 week period. I can see 100+ wins. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 What did the Yanks give up for Chacon? If he's so great, why weren't there more suitors? Chacon is better out of the pen than he is as a starter. He's nothing special. A JAG. Yank fans often make the mistake of over-rating their players and this is a classic example. Okay, again for the sake of quality baseball debate as opposed to spewing garbage based on emotions, how is it that a guy who had 23 starts away from Coors last year and turned in 17 quality starts, is a JAG. Every team in baseball would take five JAGS and win the pennant every year if 17 for 23 was what you get from a JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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