sec101row23 7,954 Posted January 1 8 hours ago, Paradis said: Possibly. Assessing QBs is difficult on a good day. Sometimes I think it’s obvious other times I don’t know what to believe. I’ll trust in JD for now. The one thing I’ve learned from talking to a lot of these coaches and guys who are around these programs and scout these kids is that you simply don’t know what a QB is going to do once he gets to the next level. So much of what will determine if these kids will be successful QBs is how they process information, it’s night and day between college and the pros. Just because a kid can go from read 1 to 2 in college, doesn’t mean that’s going to happen in the NFL. Just like all the people proclaiming that such and such is a “one read” QB and will struggle in the NFL because of that, doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of going through progressions in the NFL. So much of that stuff is how these kids are being coached in college and how they are being told to execute the offense. 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sec101row23 7,954 Posted January 1 27 minutes ago, JiF said: Agreed, it's the experience, for sure. He doesnt have that national moment too, the Watson types of heroics (not the Trevor Lawrence does either) but yes, I agree, the only real concern is the # of starts. If you’re being objective, you can’t look at how Fields has played this year And come away from it with the only concern is that he hasn’t started a lot of games. Every QB, except for Jones at Alabama has had to deal with missing guys on offense. That can’t be used as an excuse, especially at OSU where they have 4 and 5 star kids sitting on the bench waiting to come in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sec101row23 7,954 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, bitonti said: you had me until the last statement Justin Fields has never thrown a pick against unranked foes. He's thrown 8 against ranked opposition. the "two games" everyone overrated are also the only 2 real defenses he's faced this year for all those going through the highlights, watch him tonight against Clemson Clemson has the best defense in CFB, maybe even better than Bama this game is going to either make or break Fields draft stock the dude balls out, throws for a bunch, I'll be here tomorrow morning eating crow, and happy to do it. it's not that I don't want the Jets to have a great QB. and i have no problem with fields/Wilson/Lance at 1.29 or 2.1 I just don't know if there's any Qb in this draft worth 1.2 besides trevor it's such a huge gap between Sewell and the next best QB, unless Fields has a Rose Bowl signature moment sponsored by Vince Young and Sam Darnold it's a reach of monumental proportions to take any QB at 2 overall But should one performance sway your eval that much? I mean, look at the two QBs you cited, shouldn’t there have been less emphasis on those performances? For me, I don’t knock a kid as much for a bad game and don’t elevate him as much for a good game, too many people rise and fall on every throw from quarter to quarter. Tonight is another data point, win, lose it’s just another game. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sec101row23 7,954 Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: It shouldn't youre right but scouts always evaluate prospects based on their toughest foe not their easiest this Clemson game they are big underdogs to a defense full of future NFL players Clemson 20 D would be his toughest test he's ever faced, by far. This defense is way better than Northwestern and Indiana. it is just one data point as you say but it's on national tv with every decision maker watching, it shouldn't mean more but it does he could, feasibly, answer all the questions, get the ball out quick, and make himself millions tonight i don't make the rules I just report them, remind people they exist and then get rotten fruit thrown at me Agreed, the narrative would change dramatically if he went out and threw for 350 4 TDS and won the game. I just feel like more mistakes are made in evaluations from putting too much emphasis on any one performance, good or bad. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sec101row23 7,954 Posted January 1 14 minutes ago, bitonti said: it depends on expectations drafting Vince Young after a great Rose Bowl sounds like a terrible decision, given full hindsight like awful, right? but people forget the dude won Rookie of the year. He couldn't turn it into a long career but the standard of draft pick success is nebulous I feel like if you take a guy and he wins ROTY that's a good pick and what happens afterward is up to life, the universe and everything else If the jets take Fields at 2 and he wins ROTY i'm taking that outcome sight unseen as to what happens next maybe it's just because of draftdaddy but honestly my head is full of names of dudes who went nowhere. Like hundreds of names per year. After a while you start to lose faith in the best case scenario and everything becomes about avoiding the worst case scenario That’s because the success rate is so damn low that if you basically said that every QB coming out wasn’t going to succeed, you would be correct far more than you would be wrong. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sec101row23 7,954 Posted January 14 It is interesting that Justin hasn’t declared yet. My guess is that he’s getting some treatment and seeing just how injured he is right now. He probably comes out, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he stayed another year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
