Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams & some rebuild thoughts

[Patriot Killa]

Let me start by giving some appreciation to our two best building blocks on offense & defense. Becton, as a rookie, has allowed only 7 sacks through 13 games(655 snaps/7 penalties) while having to play the likes of Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Melvin Ingram & Aaron Donald right out of the gate. He has some polish to gain in pass protection but you have to like how a player with his upside has transitioned to the next level so easily. To put it into perspective, around this time last year, Becton hadn't allowed a single sack for Louisville through 628 snaps in his final year and now only has 7 in his first NFL season on 655. (https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/4350659002)

Quinnen Williams finished the year with 7.0 sacks, 3 PD’s, 2 FF’s, 10 TFL’s, 14 QB hits & 55 combined tackles and made the exact jump he said he was going to make at the start of the season. I think Williams can be even more effective with a true pass rusher next to him & it’s for that reason(and 15 years worth of reasons) that this team should take a swing at someone early. I would not be mad if it was the late 1st round pick or the 2nd if JD finds one worthy of that high of a selection. 

which takes me into some of my thoughts on approaching the rebuild. . . 

Becton’s emergence is one reason I don’t have a problem passing on Sewell and taking the more important position — which there are still good QB prospects left to be had after Lawrence despite some posters who can’t see that. Having a dominate tackle duo is very useful, it’s awesome to have, but it’s a luxury. You can still realistically build the team around the QB position and fill the QB position in the same season.(something Maccagnan didn’t do when he drafted Darnold)

The Jets have tons of cap space, two 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder, two 3rd round picks, a pick from Darnold if they chose to trade him & the rest of the draft to improve the offense as a whole. Not suggesting we can 100% sign JuJu Smith, Allen Robinson, etc but you can take your shot at either(if even available) and keep swinging down the list of potential fits/viable options and that way you build a little depth for next season that can actually be depended on later into the season when a starter needs his breath, or one is injured, & so on. This team already didn’t have WR’s who can start on other teams outside of Crowder, but it feels like whenever the Jets suffer WR injuries, their next man up is always someone off of the practice squad.

I’m just a couch GM and a fan but I do believe just from watching other teams build their rosters into winners, it starts with impact players and it ends with them. You need to put solid players around your impact positions to give them an even easier way to impact the game. It’s no hot take but it’s one the Jets can’t seem to figure out. Make the QB’s job easier, give him real pass catchers, real blockers & a playbook that makes his entire game easier to play through. Make your only pass rusher’s(sadly, a DT) job easier by putting a OLB out there who requires attention, who requires game planning, who can flush the QB into Q’s reach every once in a while. 

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I think we have some decent young players on this team. Meyers-Franklin, Bryce Hall, Folorunso Fatukasi, Bless Austin, Denzel Mims & I’ve always liked Hewitt in a rotation role. The Jets can turn it around a few different ways but the #1 crucial part of this is that they find the coach. They have to hit on a coach this time around. 

[thshadow]

I agree with what you're saying.  Though - where did you get the stat that Becton only allowed 3 sacks?  I feel like I can think of 3 sacks off the top of my head, 2 of which were forced fumble sacks...  I've seen others say 9 or 11 sacks.

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

Please, no Ju Ju Smith..at any price.

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, thshadow said:

I agree with what you're saying.  Though - where did you get the stat that Becton only allowed 3 sacks?  I feel like I can think of 3 sacks off the top of my head, 2 of which were forced fumble sacks...  I've seen others say 9 or 11 sacks.

It might not be updated but it was per PFF.

[peekskill68]

Whether it's Sam, or a newly drafted QB, JD has to upgrade the running game to take some of the pressure off.  That requires an investment in the interior line + better talent at the RB position

[TheClashFan]

I think the key may be how Becton approaches the offseason, starting next week. If the Jets know that he's working hard to improve his fitness a bit (and thus maybe his lateral quickness a bit, too), then they can stick with him at LT and pass on taking a T early like Sewell.

However, if not, they probably need to consider moving him to RT. He'd be a monster over there.

As of right now, I don't think any QB is worthy of #2. So, either Sewell or trade down a few slots, then reevaluate.

No matter what, a stud young C to captain the line is needed (move current C to G).  So, either the Seattle pick or early 2nd should go there.

 

[Patriot Killa]

5 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

Whether it's Sam, or a newly drafted QB, JD has to upgrade the running game to take some of the pressure off.  That requires an investment in the interior line + better talent at the RB position

They can start by letting Gore retire. I think that was a big part of the problem. We seen Ty Johnson & Josh Adams run wild on the left side. It might not of been sustained production but we never know how little or big the drop off would of been from the Raiders game because Gase went back to Gore. I like the push Becton and Pat got on the left side in numerous games after that one.

[Patriot Killa]

6 minutes ago, TheClashFan said:

No matter what, a stud young C to captain the line is needed (move current C to G).  So, either the Seattle pick or early 2nd should go there.

This is true too. I also wouldn’t be mad with a Center early on.

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

12 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

It might not be updated but it was per PFF.

Updated per PFF:

[section314]

Supposedly this is a very deep O line draft. Would love to get a C and another OT . Then move McGovern to G, and hope Cam Clark can win the other G spot.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

Updated per PFF:

Okay, thank you! So 7 sacks off 655 snaps. Still a pretty impressive accomplishment.

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Okay, thank you! So 7 sacks off 655 snaps. Still a pretty impressive accomplishment.

Not as impressive as you talking it down from 3 to 2 in the span of one paragraph.

[jetstream23]

20 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said:

Please, no Ju Ju Smith..at any price.

 

We don't need no JuJu or Jobu.  Joe Douglas can build this himself.

 

[rangerous]

22 minutes ago, thshadow said:

I agree with what you're saying.  Though - where did you get the stat that Becton only allowed 3 sacks?  I feel like I can think of 3 sacks off the top of my head, 2 of which were forced fumble sacks...  I've seen others say 9 or 11 sacks.

doesn't sound like the cleveland game was included.  garrett did pretty well getting around becton.  garrett does this to a lot of tackles.

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

Not as impressive as you talking it down from 3 to 2 in the span of one paragraph.

This one must of went over my head. I appreciate you finding the accurate stat for me though.

[genot]

4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

 

We don't need no JuJu or Jobu.  Joe Douglas can build this himself.

 

I think the only realistic option in FA, is Golliday. He's fought injuries this year, when heathy he's a good.

[TheClashFan]

10 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

This is true too. I also wouldn’t be mad with a Center early on.

Imagine if they could sign Thuney for RG and draft a stud C early.  You'd have Becton, Thuney, young C, McGovern and Fant.  Add a young RT prospect in the 3rd or 4th round to push (and hopefully soon replace) Fant.

That would still leave the early first and either the Seattle pick or early 2nd (after drafting the C) for two of QB/WR/RB.  And, even more if a trade down from #2 that nets at least another 2nd round pick.

Of course, the Jets could go "all in" on OL with Sewell, Thuney, young C, McGovern, and Becton. Look to build a monster line.  But then only 1 early pick for a QB/WR/RB.

 

[Wonderboy]

8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

This is true too. I also wouldn’t be mad with a Center early on.

QB Wilson or Fields or trade back and take Jones or Lance.  JD needs to take a QB in this draft with his 1st pick. Center Humphrey or Dickinson round 2 or Myers round 3.  I'd prefer Myers in round 3 and focus on CB and edge with 27 and 34. Slide McGovern over to guard, sign Thuney. Grab a joystick wr in round 3 to compliment Mims.  Those are some good upgrades to the offense and defense. 

[Philc1]

47 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said:

Please, no Ju Ju Smith..at any price.

Extremely overrated on this board

[Patriot Killa]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Extremely overrated on this board

agreed. He’s probably a solid #2 WR when he’s on game.

[Patriot Killa]

oops double

[JohnnyLV]

If we pick QB at #2, we must protect him and give him weapons. At a minimum with the next 4 picks we need some combination of WR, TE OL and RB. After that we can take BPA

If we take Sewell at #2 we need to draft QB in the first round. And then keep drafting offense.

I think the way the draft lays we might be able to trade down a little and still get QB. Something like a 3rd from Miami to move down one spot. We could consider moving to Cin spot at 5 but very real possibility you lose out on both Fields and Wilson. Then the decision becomes best WR or trade down again. Three way trade with Cinci and Mia seems like a possibility as well. Cincinatti trades 1st, 2nd and 3rd, we move to 3 and get Cinci 3rd, Mia moves to 5 and gets Cinci 2nd.