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22 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

increasingly i feel that 'football guy' is a jet shill who is trying to change the darnold sentiment among the jet diehards.

I mean, Jets need better PR if, "Don't let him think and one day he can be Ryan Fitzpatrick" is the message here.

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I would be very happy with Harbaugh as the next coach of the Jets

I thought I read somewhere that he signed an extension at Michigan. Was that not true?

You seem to not understand how sources work.

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37 minutes ago, choon328 said:

 

Actually, according to Forbes, from 2016-2018 the University of Michigan made $249 million in PROFIT from the football program.  Based on available information from MSU it cost them around $1.5-$2 million per non revenue sport and I'm assuming Michigan would be similar. That number includes staff salaries, scholarships, etc.  25 non revenue sports (estimated) at $2 million each is $50 million annually.  That leaves $33 million in profit just from football annually.  That's not including the other revenue sports like basketball.  So that works out to be around $132 million in profit from football from 2016-2019. That's after paying for the other sports.  Where is that money? That's the money that should be used to keep people hired and keep non revenue sports going during times like this. 

 

And as far as Harbaugh is concerned I think they have the money and are low balling him on purpose. 

The Athletic Department said they were going to lose $26 million this past year but made over $130 million combined in profit the 4 years prior. Sorry if I'm not crying for them. 

 

link to Forbes information???

 

according to USA Today, from the 2019 fiscal year, michigan athletic department took in $197.8MM in revenue and spent $191MM in expenses.  michigan had the 3rd highest operating expense of all athletic departments (FYI MSU's expenses were $135MM

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

many of those operating expenses are fixed costs, while revenues shrank considerably.  so it will be running a large deficit this year.

as to prior year profits, the AD isn't a company that retains profits.  monies are spent on facilities and sent to the university to help fund things like scholarships.

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9 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

link to Forbes information???

 

according to USA Today, from the 2019 fiscal year, michigan athletic department took in $197.8MM in revenue and spent $191MM in expenses.  michigan had the 3rd highest operating expense of all athletic departments (FYI MSU's expenses were $135MM

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

many of those operating expenses are fixed costs, while revenues shrank considerably.  so it will be running a large deficit this year.

as to prior year profits, the AD isn't a company that retains profits.  monies are spent on facilities and sent to the university to help fund things like scholarships.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2019/09/12/college-football-most-valuable-clemson-texas-am/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2633214263&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesMainTwitter&sh=759b4f9da2e7

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40 minutes ago, choon328 said:

And as far as Harbaugh is concerned I think they have the money and are low balling him on purpose. 

The Athletic Department said they were going to lose $26 million this past year but made over $130 million combined in profit the 4 years prior. Sorry if I'm not crying for them. 

 

no one said that they can't afford to keep him.  just that his contract extension was being negotiated and he was being asked to take a lower base in exchange for incentives that could bring his salary up to $8MM a year.  they are also negotiating an increase pool to pay/hire top assistants.

the feeling is he underperformed his initial contract and in an era where athletic departments are hemorrhaging money, an incentive based contract would be a better route.  all reports are that harbaugh will accept this.

i continue to dispute your $130MM over 4 years assertion so unless you can back that up, it is not a valid talking point

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2 minutes ago, choon328 said:

 

that's not athletic department as a whole.

no one disputes the football program makes the lion's share of the money.  but it is used to fund all the non-revenue generating sports.  in 2018, the dept made $3MM, in 2017 it made $6MM, in 2016 it made $4MM (you can toggle for yourself below) 

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fbs/big-ten/university-of-michigan#!quicktabs-tab-where_the_money-0

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56 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

i'm not shedding a tear for jim harbaugh, and he would never ask for sympathy.  he knew the deal when he decided to take the job.  

i was just rebutting the asinine comment that he was "soft" because he'd rather be heckled by pimpled face college kids than jets fans 

Sorry, he’s a puss! 

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18 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

almost as potent as jb smoove's new uniform show.

As a long time Jet fan it was cringeworthy 

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

2015:  Michigan (home) was a 1.5 point favorite

2016:  Ohio State (home) was a 6.5 point favorite

2018:  Michigan (road) was a 3.5 point favorite

See my novella update lol. 

Point spread shmoint spread. It looks like Michigan's ranking has been pretty generous in comparison to OSU's when looking at the talent disparity. It could suggest 2015-2019 head-to-heads would have been even more lopsided in OSU's favor if the HC's were swapped, with Michigan playing at/above their talent level and OSU playing down to their competition more than a team should when it's that stacked. 

I'm not saying that is what would've happened - one has to actually do it to get me to buy into that woulda-coulda guarantee - but when you look at how many players on each squad were NFL-caliber (if not NFL-starter caliber), the 2 teams haven't been even. Particularly on offense the talent graduating from college to pro is comically lopsided. 

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2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Ok - Fine.

If your position is Sam Darnold's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick, that really not a take I'll oppose.

My position is that realistically Sam Darnold will be a Ryan Fitzpatrick-level QB at the worst assuming the minimum changes are implemented to get the most out of him as a passer (change the scheme to a spread offense, ask for him to make single-read throws, etc.). A game manager with a unique ability as a playmaker/gunslinger when plays break down, but also turnover prone and inconsistent. You can win with him, but he could also lose you games if he's too trigger happy and off the mark. 

At best, a coach is able to make the right changes, implement the right offense, get the most out of Darnold mentally/physically/instinctually, AND Darnold puts relentless amounts of work in to realize his potential, then he can be a Tony Romo-caliber QB... possibly better.

What differentiates a guy like Romo or Favre from Fitzpatrick? Arm talent and instincts. Fitzpatrick is the "smartest" QB in the NFL yet he can't read defenses for sh*t. That's why he's always been best with Chan Gailey... he's not asked to read defenses!

 

We know Darnold has more raw talent than Fitzpatrick. The question is can a coach tap into it, tap into his instincts, tap into his ability to process, and get the most out of him. That's up to the coaches and that's up to Darnold. 

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2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

increasingly i feel that 'football guy' is a jet shill who is trying to change the darnold sentiment among the jet diehards.

Trust me, the Jets can't afford me (Tony Stark reference)

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1 minute ago, football guy said:

My position is that realistically Sam Darnold will be a Ryan Fitzpatrick-level QB at the worst assuming the minimum changes are implemented to get the most out of him as a passer (change the scheme to a spread offense, ask for him to make single-read throws, etc.). A game manager with a unique ability as a playmaker/gunslinger when plays break down, but also turnover prone and inconsistent. You can win with him, but he could also lose you games if he's too trigger happy and off the mark. 

At best, a coach is able to make the right changes, implement the right offense, get the most out of Darnold mentally/physically/instinctually, AND Darnold puts relentless amounts of work in to realize his potential, then he can be a Tony Romo-caliber QB... possibly better.

What differentiates a guy like Romo or Favre from Fitzpatrick? Arm talent and instincts. Fitzpatrick is the "smartest" QB in the NFL yet he can't read defenses for sh*t. That's why he's always been best with Chan Gailey... he's not asked to read defenses!

 

We know Darnold has more raw talent than Fitzpatrick. The question is can a coach tap into it, tap into his instincts, tap into his ability to process, and get the most out of him. That's up to the coaches and that's up to Darnold. 

fair points.  but douglas has seen darnold play a lot.  the whole league has.  reading defenses is not something you can flip a switch and get it.

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Darnold is like Sanchez.  If he gets a lead,  the coach has to call conservative plays so he doesn't give the lead back.  You may win the game but Darnold will have Sanchez playoff numbers.  

If you get behind, it usually snowballs to worse.  

Sammy's two wins this year compared to Sanchez playoff wins. 

22-31- 207 - 1 - 0
16-32 -175 - 2 - 0
16-25- 194 - 3 - 0
18-31 -139 - 0 - 1
12-15 -182 - 1 -0
12-23 -100 -1- 1


 

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2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

1) I didn't miss anything - I directly quoted a statement of yours that wasn't true. Perhaps you misworded what you intended to write but what you wrote was simply wrong. 

2) And his issues are "easily diagnosable and fixable?" Yea, I'm not buying that. If it were so easy, why did he get so much worse between last year and this year? Not all of these guys get "fixed." A good portion of them become career backups. As badly as Sam played this year, you have to figure that his confidence is shot. Maybe he develops into something better down the road, but it seems like a fresh start could do him a lot of good. 

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1) OK I'll simplify it for you while also providing a specific example: coaches appreciate Darnold's game-quarterbacking talent. Kind of like a coach appreciates a player's game-speed. Just because a player can run a 4.2 doesn't mean he plays that way. Coaches appreciate the way Darnold plays. Example:  

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2) The answer to your question has been answered about 10000 times. Adam Gase is stubborn. He refused to change his coaching style and scheme. It's pretty much that simple. The confidence being shot thing I will give you. We have no way of knowing whether it is or isn't. Considering how he played in the wins and for most of the Patriots game it doesn't look shot. Confidence being shot is very obvious. Like Sanchez being benched for McElroy obvious. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

fair points.  but douglas has seen darnold play a lot.  the whole league has.  reading defenses is not something you can flip a switch and get it.

Agreed but reading defenses while playing in a scheme that forces you to let route combinations develop, diagnose what the defense is doing before and during the play (are they covering it this way, this way, this way, or this way), and simultaneously know exactly which receiver will be open given the way the defense chose to attack you, all while making sure you can avoid pressure, within 3-4 seconds... that's a lot to ask for out of a 22-23 year old QB. 

Go watch the tape. To Gase's credit, there's at least one receiver open every single play. However, Sam Darnold is not Peyton Manning. Sam Darnold is not Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Matt Moore, or Jon Kitna for that matter. He's not nearly as developed as the QBs Gase has worked with and does not have the mental capacity to think so much while trying to execute. Can he read the field? Yes. Is he smart? Yes. Does he display an instinctual trait? Yes. That doesn't mean he's ready to be an 8th year veteran in his 2nd-3rd year... after only playing QB in college for what 20 games? 

Pro-Sam sentiment: Stop making him think and just let the kid go out there and play.

Anti-Sam sentiment: if you can't find a way to execute and overcome the scheme, then you probably don't have what it takes to be a QB  that a team builds around anyway. 

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3 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

increasingly i feel that 'football guy' is a jet shill who is trying to change the darnold sentiment among the jet diehards.

Backtrace his IP.

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25 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

fwiw - it's being reported/confirmed that harbaugh has signed his extension with michigan, although it may not be formally announced yet

it's official

https://mgoblue.com/news/2021/1/8/manuel-announces-contract-extension-for-football-head-coach-jim-harbaugh.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fblrelease&utm_content=harbaughextension

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14 minutes ago, football guy said:

1) OK I'll simplify it for you while also providing a specific example: coaches appreciate Darnold's game-quarterbacking talent. Kind of like a coach appreciates a player's game-speed. Just because a player can run a 4.2 doesn't mean he plays that way. Coaches appreciate the way Darnold plays. Example:  

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2) The answer to your question has been answered about 10000 times. Adam Gase is stubborn. He refused to change his coaching style and scheme. It's pretty much that simple. The confidence being shot thing I will give you. We have no way of knowing whether it is or isn't. Considering how he played in the wins and for most of the Patriots game it doesn't look shot. Confidence being shot is very obvious. Like Sanchez being benched for McElroy obvious. 

 

 

Right, but a lot of QB busts have had legitimate "game-quarterbacking" talent, as you put it.  There's nothing unique about Sam in this regard - that's my point. Most QBs drafted in the top 10 of the first round have the talent to play in the NFL, but only a fraction of those guys turn into legit franchise QBs. I'm sure the ones who have busted over the years all had coaches who "appreciated their game-quarterbacking talent." This just doesn't mean that much to me. 

I think I'll leave this discussion here.  Honestly, reading your posts about Darnold reminds me of stuff another poster on another Jets forum used to say circa 2011-2012. It's just depressing. 

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2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Right, but a lot of QB busts have had legitimate "game-quarterbacking" talent, as you put it.  There's nothing unique about Sam in this regard - that's my point. Most QBs drafted in the top 10 of the first round have the talent to play in the NFL, but only a fraction of those guys turn into legit franchise QBs. I'm sure the ones who have busted over the years all had coaches who "appreciated their game-quarterbacking talent." This just doesn't mean that much to me. 

I think I'll leave this discussion here.  Honestly, reading your posts about Darnold reminds me of stuff another poster on another Jets forum used to say circa 2011-2012. It's just depressing. 

Doesn’t mean much to you because you’re making judgments with about 10% of the information. Kudos if you were right about others in the past. Process over results my dude. 

I can’t speak for said other poster but I can say that the QB the Jets had in 2011-12 couldn’t hold Sam’s jock in the “talent” department. He could’ve been solid though. That’s a player who really lost his confidence beyond repair. 

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5 minutes ago, football guy said:

Doesn’t mean much to you because you’re making judgments with about 10% of the information. Kudos if you were right about others in the past. Process over results my dude. 

I can’t speak for said other poster but I can say that the QB the Jets had in 2011-12 couldn’t hold Sam’s jock in the “talent” department. He could’ve been solid though. That’s a player who really lost his confidence beyond repair. 

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3 hours ago, football guy said:

Agreed but reading defenses while playing in a scheme that forces you to let route combinations develop, diagnose what the defense is doing before and during the play (are they covering it this way, this way, this way, or this way), and simultaneously know exactly which receiver will be open given the way the defense chose to attack you, all while making sure you can avoid pressure, within 3-4 seconds... that's a lot to ask for out of a 22-23 year old QB. 

Go watch the tape. To Gase's credit, there's at least one receiver open every single play. However, Sam Darnold is not Peyton Manning. Sam Darnold is not Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Matt Moore, or Jon Kitna for that matter. He's not nearly as developed as the QBs Gase has worked with and does not have the mental capacity to think so much while trying to execute. Can he read the field? Yes. Is he smart? Yes. Does he display an instinctual trait? Yes. That doesn't mean he's ready to be an 8th year veteran in his 2nd-3rd year... after only playing QB in college for what 20 games? 

Pro-Sam sentiment: Stop making him think and just let the kid go out there and play.

Anti-Sam sentiment: if you can't find a way to execute and overcome the scheme, then you probably don't have what it takes to be a QB  that a team builds around anyway. 

Inject this into my paranoia for a Darnold future and wash away the fear

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