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First things first.

Jason Giambi & Gary Sheffield are getting a pass for one reason. The aren't chasing down baseballs greatest record.

Does it make a difference? Nope.

The simple fact is if bonds wasn't near the record he would be just another ballplayer abusing the game and trying to bend and manipulate the rules. Are these guys the pioneers on steroids in MLB? Absolutely not.

Now on to more important issues.

PayRod is going to have a monster year. This spring the difference is night day with him. He is patient at the plate,taking bad pitches and hammering most everything that's throw over the plate.

Bernie Williams is done,stick a fork in him right now. Why Carlos Beltran is a Met is beyond my comprehension. Watch to see matsui in CF or for the Yankees try to make a move to bring in a CF sometime during the year.

Carl Pavano is overrated and making a ton of cash after 1 decent season ,in a mediocre career . He will get pounded in the AL,but he's better than most 4th & 4th starters so he should win his fair share of games(12-17)

Gary Sheffield is 36 and getting older by the minute.His shoulder is thrashed and George made a mistake in signing this guy instead of Vladimir Guerrero. Don't get me wrong ,shef was a warrior last year but he's got 2 at the most left in him before his body breaks down.

Kevin Brown is another big IF. Injury risk,possible steroid user and an a$$hole in the Schilling mold.Never liked the guy and can't stand rooting for him.

Randy Johnson. ...Yea the big unit :roll: Id be happy about this is it were 1996. this guy has bone on bone in his knee and is a injury risk. Hated this knob gobbler all my life. thanks george :evil: This guy Norm Charlton & Griffey robbed Donny Baseball of a WS in 1995.

Tino Martinez will be mediocre at best(.250 17 45)

Jared Wright? Are you ****ing kidding me? again,this isn't the 90's. He got a boat load and we get shelled. Guaranteed to be traded or cut or placed on waivers.

Tony Womack is a good second baseman and a guy who gets on and scores. if this guy can be an everyday lead off hitter for us and just get on and swipe a couple bag's,this Yankee lineup should have 4 100 RBI guy's. He's batting .488 and is second in BA this spring,i hope he can stay hot and get this team off right.

Jason Giambi should be a much better player than advertised. I don't expect the power #'s(who does?) but i expect to see the contact hitter who sprayer the ball all over the field in OAK. (.278 24 88)

Steve Karsay has been crappy this spring and i don't have any faith in Mendoza or Stanton. Tom Gordon is the only bright spot in the bullpen beside Mo and both are 30+.

Im very happy Willie Randolph job a Manager job and i wish him the best,one of my all time favorite Yankees of all time.

Im sure you will all say im too hard on them but you can't invest this much bread in a MASH unit.The 2005 NYY are a geriatric club.

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I'm sure the Sox fans on this board will be happy with your assessment. As a Yankee fan, I don't quite see such a dim picture on the players you listed.

I agree, Bernie is done. Moving Matsui to center is a possibility, but I would love to give the Crosby kid a shot.

Karsay, is he still on the team...LOL...I guess with the money invested in him we had to. As far as pitching goes, I think Wright, Pavano, and Johnson will have better then average years...I look for Mussina to back side some and who knows with Brown?

The bottom line...Yankees back where they belong and the Sox staring at another 80 something years of futility. =D>

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Smizzy, you are off base on a lot of things in your post.

I definately think we overpaid Pavano... but 18 wins and a 3 ERA is not a mediocre year.

Tino had 23 dingers in about 450 ABs for the Marlins without the benefit of the porch in right field which he used to own. His best years are behind him but he will definately produce better than you suggested, and he is here for his glove.

Giambi is getting a pass because everybody else looks like an ass in this and he is the only one who is sorry for anything. Bonds, Big Mac, and Sosa stole the steroid spotlight.

You say yourself that Sheffield has 2 more years (at the most in him)... he won't be a problem this year. He will put up his 30 and 100 without a problem.

The Big Unit... I hated the SOB until he put on the pinstrupes, but he hasn't been injury prone in 7 years (and he always misses time in spring training). He is a workhorse and has pitched 240+ innings (a number no Yankee has come close to) 6 times in the last 7 years.

Our bullpen is stacked. We have FRod and Quantrill still. Gordon and Rivera... if we get anything out of Karsay and/or Stanton (who wasn't THAT bad with the Mets) we have the best bullpen in the game.

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how the F was pavano season last year "mediocre"

18-8 3.00 era

ace of the marlins, I think he was top 5 in cy young voting as well.

johnson is still pitching like its 1996

brown is our #4 starter, if he has a 4.00 era its a bonus

but bernie is done at CF I agree, he's been done for 2+ years now

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First things first.

Jason Giambi & Gary Sheffield are getting a pass for one reason. The aren't chasing down baseballs greatest record.

Does it make a difference? Nope.

The simple fact is if bonds wasn't near the record he would be just another ballplayer abusing the game and trying to bend and manipulate the rules. Are these guys the pioneers on steroids in MLB? Absolutely not.

Thanks Smizz....finally fair and balanced.

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I have a more positive outlook on Bernie because he hit .296 in the playoffs last year (and .306 against the red sox, he was probably the one person whos numbers were actually better in the ALCS)

and i think RJ will be good this year as long as he's healthy, definetely a Cy young canidate

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Giambi gets a pass because he's the only one who admitted (under oath) to taking steroids and actually seems remorseful about it. Bonds and McGwire are getting heat because they continue to deny it and just want to move on. Please.

I agree about Bernie, he is done. His baseball instincts were always bad, but his speed covered up a lot and now that's going away. Here's a name that you might hear before the deadline, Eric Byrnes.

If Sheffield only has two years left in him before his body breaks down that's great because they only have him signed for two more years. And if those are the numbers he puts up with a bum shoulder...

Agree on Brown, he's an a$$, but they only asking this guy to be their 5th starter.

If Clemens can be a Yankee, then Johnson can be one too. I don't have to like him, he just has to pitch well. The numbers he might be able to put up with that offense behind him, scary. Note to Torre, just because Johnson can go 9, don't let him. You have a great bullpen and you need this guy fresh for October, not June.

If Tino sees significant time, the Yanks are in trouble because it means that Giambi isn't cutting it. They don't need Giambi to be the full time DH, they need to give Bernie and Posada time there too. They need to be able to spell guys in the DH spot and still keep their bats in the lineup.

If Kris Benson can get $22 million, then Wright can get $21. This guy was signed with the hope he can strike guys out. The Yankees need a couple of pitchers who can get outs without putting the ball in play. Let's hope he doesn't turn into another Chris Hammond.

Let's also hope that Tony Womack will need some days off in Aug & Sept because he's tired from running around the bases too much.

It may sound stupid but John Flaherty needs to have a good year. Posada will desparately need some more days off this year and I think Torre was afraid to put Flaherty in there last year because he flirted with the Mendoza line for the whole year. Let's face it Posada's getting closer to that catcher wall and he was invisible after Sept 1st last year.

I think Torre and Mel will manage the bullpen a bit different this year. They should be deeper this year with the addition of Rodriguez and the subtraction of Heredia. I still think they might pick up a lefty specialist before the deadline.

There's a lot of ifs on this team, but they are all about health and not ability. If this team can stay away from major injury, they could clinch the division by Aug 28th.

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Bernie Williams is done,stick a fork in him right now. Why Carlos Beltran is a Met is beyond my comprehension. Watch to see matsui in CF or for the Yankees try to make a move to bring in a CF sometime during the year.

HA! I KNEW Yankee fans were pissed off about this. Any Yankee fan who trys to lob at Mets fans "we don't care about Beltran, we didn't need him" is spewing pure bullsh*t. Come August, those same Yankees fans will be saying "Why oh why didn't George pay up for Beltran?"

Bernie Williams sucks.

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HA! I KNEW Yankee fans were pissed off about this. Any Yankee fan who trys to lob at Mets fans "we don't care about Beltran, we didn't need him" is spewing pure bullsh*t. Come August, those same Yankees fans will be saying "Why oh why didn't George pay up for Beltran?"

Bernie Williams sucks.

You must have missed the part where Carlos Beltran's agent called the yankees and told them he would take less money to play for them and we said "no thanks"

I love beltran,always have. To bad he will waste the rest of his career with the NY Mess.

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You must have missed the part where Carlos Beltran's agent called the yankees and told them he would take less money to play for them and we said "no thanks"

I love beltran,always have. To bad he will waste the rest of his career with the NY Mess.

Of course he said that, I fully realize that players want to play for the Yankees.

The point is, the Yankees missed the boat on him, and will regret that. I don't give a **** where Beltran wanted to go, or that he preferred the Yanks over the Mets. We got him, and most Yankee fans I talk to try to play it off as if Beltran was an unnecesarry signing.

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Of course he said that, I fully realize that players want to play for the Yankees.

The point is, the Yankees missed the boat on him, and will regret that. I don't give a F#ck where Beltran wanted to go, or that he preferred the Yanks over the Mets. We got him, and most Yankee fans I talk to try to play it off as if Beltran was an unnecesarry signing.

The Yankees missed the boat on him? How about the A's, did they miss the boat on him as well.

Cmon man everyone knows he is a star. Nobody else could afford him though. The shackles of revenue sharing are crippling the Yankees! :P

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The Yankees missed the boat on him? How about the A's, did they miss the boat on him as well.

Everyone missed the boat on Beltran, except the Mets. Beltran was by far the best free agent on the market. Aren't the Yankees all about bringing in the BEST available players? If that's the case, it doesn't make any sense to me that a Yankee fan would shrug off the fact that they missed out on Beltran, allowing him to go to a cross-town team instead. Do you Yankee fans really have that much faith in Bernie Williams, or do you just think that bringing in a marquee, franchise player to fill a gaping hole is "overrated"? Either way, I'm glad to have Carlos around, if not to save the Mets franchise, at least keep it respectable.

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Everyone missed the boat on Beltran, except the Mets. Beltran was by far the best free agent on the market. Aren't the Yankees all about bringing in the BEST available players? If that's the case, it doesn't make any sense to me that a Yankee fan would shrug off the fact that they missed out on Beltran, allowing him to go to a cross-town team instead. Do you Yankee fans really have that much faith in Bernie Williams, or do you just think that bringing in a marquee, franchise player to fill a gaping hole is "overrated"? Either way, I'm glad to have Carlos around, if not to save the Mets franchise, at least keep it respectable.

Pitching wins championships. We have Yankees fans have learned that watching over the past 4 years that the hitting just doesn't get it done come playoff time and we needed to go back to the 90's Yankees with pitching.

There is not one rotation better then the Yankees, infact, there is only 1 team that has a chance to pitch with the Yankees and that is Chicago, but they're never healthy anyways.

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Pitching wins championships. We have Yankees fans have learned that watching over the past 4 years that the hitting just doesn't get it done come playoff time and we needed to go back to the 90's Yankees with pitching.

There is not one rotation better then the Yankees, infact, there is only 1 team that has a chance to pitch with the Yankees and that is Chicago, but they're never healthy anyways.

If the Mets still had Kazmir, they'd have the best rotation in baseball...or at least the National League. #-o

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Max, you hit the nail on the head here when you refered to the "shackles of revenue sharing". For all intents and purposes, the Yankess are a small market team (once you factor out the vast amount of revenue they have to share for being in an insanely huge market).

I am worried that we might see a time where the Yankees are forced to field less than 10 hall of famers.

BTW, Yanks over/under this year = 103. I am thinking over.....

The Yankees missed the boat on him? How about the A's, did they miss the boat on him as well.

Cmon man everyone knows he is a star. Nobody else could afford him though. The shackles of revenue sharing are crippling the Yankees! :P

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Max, you hit the nail on the head here when you refered to the "shackles of revenue sharing". For all intents and purposes, the Yankess are a small market team (once you factor out the vast amount of revenue they have to share for being in an insanely huge market).

I am worried that we might see a time where the Yankees are forced to field less than 10 hall of famers.

BTW, Yanks over/under this year = 103. I am thinking over.....

Oh take the over. The real break even # is 110.

People don't realize that the Bronx is a small place. The Yankees are at a disadvantage against teams like the Royals. The Royals can pull fans from both Kansas and Missouri. How can the Bronx compete against that?

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First things first.

Jason Giambi & Gary Sheffield are getting a pass for one reason. The aren't chasing down baseballs greatest record.

Does it make a difference? Nope.

The simple fact is if bonds wasn't near the record he would be just another ballplayer abusing the game and trying to bend and manipulate the rules. Are these guys the pioneers on steroids in MLB? Absolutely not.

Now on to more important issues.

PayRod is going to have a monster year. This spring the difference is night day with him. He is patient at the plate,taking bad pitches and hammering most everything that's throw over the plate.

Bernie Williams is done,stick a fork in him right now. Why Carlos Beltran is a Met is beyond my comprehension. Watch to see matsui in CF or for the Yankees try to make a move to bring in a CF sometime during the year.

Carl Pavano is overrated and making a ton of cash after 1 decent season ,in a mediocre career . He will get pounded in the AL,but he's better than most 4th & 4th starters so he should win his fair share of games(12-17)

Gary Sheffield is 36 and getting older by the minute.His shoulder is thrashed and George made a mistake in signing this guy instead of Vladimir Guerrero. Don't get me wrong ,shef was a warrior last year but he's got 2 at the most left in him before his body breaks down.

Kevin Brown is another big IF. Injury risk,possible steroid user and an a$$hole in the Schilling mold.Never liked the guy and can't stand rooting for him.

Randy Johnson. ...Yea the big unit :roll: Id be happy about this is it were 1996. this guy has bone on bone in his knee and is a injury risk. Hated this knob gobbler all my life. thanks george :evil: This guy Norm Charlton & Griffey robbed Donny Baseball of a WS in 1995.

Tino Martinez will be mediocre at best(.250 17 45)

Jared Wright? Are you ****ing kidding me? again,this isn't the 90's. He got a boat load and we get shelled. Guaranteed to be traded or cut or placed on waivers.

Tony Womack is a good second baseman and a guy who gets on and scores. if this guy can be an everyday lead off hitter for us and just get on and swipe a couple bag's,this Yankee lineup should have 4 100 RBI guy's. He's batting .488 and is second in BA this spring,i hope he can stay hot and get this team off right.

Jason Giambi should be a much better player than advertised. I don't expect the power #'s(who does?) but i expect to see the contact hitter who sprayer the ball all over the field in OAK. (.278 24 88)

Steve Karsay has been crappy this spring and i don't have any faith in Mendoza or Stanton. Tom Gordon is the only bright spot in the bullpen beside Mo and both are 30+.

Im very happy Willie Randolph job a Manager job and i wish him the best,one of my all time favorite Yankees of all time.

Im sure you will all say im too hard on them but you can't invest this much bread in a MASH unit.The 2005 NYY are a geriatric club.

I told you guys.

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