Douglas speaks!

[SAR I]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

This was year 1 of the rebuild. 

Teams turn it around quickly in the NFL. 

There is no reason this can't be a 7-9/8-8 team with a good offseason. 

Explain the 2020 Los Angeles Chargers to me.  They already had a roster 2x better than ours and hit the lottery with Herbert. 

SAR I

[slimjasi]

Just now, SAR I said:

Explain the 2020 Los Angeles Chargers to me.  They already had a roster 2x better than ours and hit the lottery with Herbert. 

SAR I

I don't think their roster is quite as good as you think it is and I also think Lynn was an awful in-game coach. 

[BroadwayRay]

Kay and sidekicks tease Douglas for calling Woody "Ambassador Johnson."

[JohnnyLV]

12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Attending games and getting the vaccination. 

WTF 

The Jets absolutely have freedom of choice to deny you entry if you have not gotten the vaccine

[Spoot-Face]

7 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

Douglas says he won't meddle in how the HC picks his staff. Also says he has no preference in terms of NFL experience versus a college coach.

Wait, so he's not going to choose a DC beforehand and force him on the new HC?

Can you even do that?

[Icer]

6 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

Again, on Darnold, says "there will be a lot of discussions in the offseason ... We have to do whats in the longterm interests of the team."

Acknowledged that Darnold's contract situation is a factor that will be considered.

[JohnnyLV]

 

 

 

 

[K_O_Brien]

8 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said:

Really doesn't matter what I would have done...I'm not getting paid to do it...if the Jets want to sign me to a contract to do it, then fine...that doesn't let Douglas, who is getting paid, off the hook from evaluating what he did and will do going forward...results are what this game is all about. 

So no one? Which is absolutely fine as last year's free agency class was terrible, particularly on the offensive side of the football. Some people wanted us to give up picks for Ngakoue or sign Clowney, both of which would have been terrible moves.

Instead Douglas carried the cap over to this year which looks loaded by comparison. Douglas was looking at the bigger picture and effectively punted on the season, because he wasn't convinced by Sam, which again was the right decision. 

[56mehl56]

43 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

both the owner and the GM have now come out in support of our QB, the sooner the fans get behind him the better. not that i wont be upset on not drafting Cam Newtons protege...but u know...ill live.

Better than the Bucky Brooks we currently have today

[BurnleyJet]

Just now, SAR I said:

With whipping-boy Gase gone, Douglas has gone from the nerdy draft geek in the background to Public Enemy #1 if things go south next season.  

Planes flying, billboards, you know how it goes in this market with these fans.  They don’t want 5-11 and a nice slow build of an OL and a secondary.  They want 10-6 immediately.  And that’s going to pressure Douglas.  I pray he doesn’t bow to the pressure. History in Florham Park doesn’t bode well.  

SAR I

Think we’ve waited long enough, seen enough poor football. I want to see an actual H.C, and not a space cadet. I want to see real innovation, NFL level play and to be competitive. Not getting blown out by at least two scores every game.

No ones expecting 10 Wins, apart from you and “your” outrageous early season threads. 

I want to see some real football, and a team we can all route for. Will we get that who knows?

[BroadwayRay]

6 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

Again, on Darnold, says "there will be a lot of discussions in the offseason ... We have to do whats in the longterm interests of the team."

Acknowledged that Darnold's contract situation is a factor that will be considered.

This is today's money quote for me. He didn't use the word "long-term" by accident. Douglas is a smart guy and he knows that the smart decision for the team's future is to draft a QB at #2 and start fresh with a new head coach who can work with a guy who is on a rookie contract.

[Jet Nut]

49 minutes ago, JTJet said:

It's a big deal are you kidding ? 

This is insight that we still don't really know if JD is calling the shots or not, he just said he fired Adam Gase in the press conference, Christopher Johnson said he did yesterday. 

So who's actually in charge?

Are you the kidding?

There isnt a GM in this league who will/can/would fire a HC, mid contract without the owner involved.  They both fired him in that sense 

[Spoot-Face]

2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Better than the Bucky Brooks we currently have today

More like Bucky Larson:

[jetstream23]

33 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Exactly the problem. No patient rebuild.  Not going to do it like the Steelers.  Going to do it like the Jets.  

SAR I

You listened to the interview on ESPN?  He said for the millionth time that he believes you build through the Draft and then developing those players.  I really, really doubt Joe D tries to shortcut the process by throwing huge contracts around at a couple of people.

He's on a 6 year deal and he will have new HC coming in.  That new coach will want to build things with Joe D over time and not hamstring his new team in Year 1.

That was a GREAT interview on ESPN.  Thanks for mentioning it earlier!

[CanadaSteve]

53 minutes ago, JTJet said:

It's a big deal are you kidding ? 

This is insight that we still don't really know if JD is calling the shots or not, he just said he fired Adam Gase in the press conference, Christopher Johnson said he did yesterday. 

So who's actually in charge?

No...No it's not.

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Are you the kidding?

There isnt a GM in this league who will/can/would fire a HC, mid contract without the owner involved.  They both fired him in that sense 

Exactly remember the Johnson's were paying him not JD. 

[Jet Nut]

21 minutes ago, SAR I said:

With whipping-boy Gase gone, Douglas has gone from the nerdy draft geek in the background to Public Enemy #1 if things go south next season.  

Planes flying, billboards, you know how it goes in this market with these fans.  They don’t want 5-11 and a nice slow build of an OL and a secondary.  They want 10-6 immediately.  And that’s going to pressure Douglas.  I pray he doesn’t bow to the pressure. History in Florham Park doesn’t bode well.  

SAR I

In your mind only. 

We get it, Gase is now the whipping boy as an excuse for your show proclaiming Gase the football man of Florham Park blowing up in your face and now youre trying to save some face or dignity because you have neither

Try all you want, J Douglas in the real Football Man of Florham Park and the Jets are a better team for it.  

[BigRy56]

There couldn’t be a better person leading the Jets right now. In JD we trust

[SAR I]

32 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

Utter nonsense, what you said has zero basis on reality. The Steelers have had Big Ben for 15+ years. It makes them competitive yearly. Second they don’t waste picks on Run stuffing D Tackles or none impact positions. Strong online, receivers, QB, and edge rushers.

sh*t why did no one else pick J.J Watts brother to middle of round 1?

Darnold traded, We pick Fields #2. We sign Joe Thuney, then it’s a very offensive draft. Q.B, Running back, Oline receiver.

My point is that the Jets are essentially an expansion team.  What we had when we went 7-9 has all been traded away, and the hopes we have for a competitive roster next year rely primarily on drafting.  Darnold is a bust, so we have to burn our chance to get a haul on Fields or whomever.  And if we weren't going to pay Leonard, Robbie, or Jamal, who are we paying out of the 28 players whose contracts have just expired?

Last season was a throwaway and I could live with that because I thought there was a patient master plan afoot.  There isn't.  We've just gotten the FO out of sync again and put our young nerdy GM in the hottest seat in the NFL.  And the words we're hearing from Johnson and Douglas make it sound like there is urgency to put up a winner. Not hard to do, not hard to go 9-7 if you want to emulate Maccagnan 2015, a one hit wonder that doesn't last.

SAR I

[Beerfish]

Darnold is gone unless the new coach loves him and wants him.

Big respect for Douglas admitting errors.  He is not a cover my ass guy and he is accountable.  Very refreshing.

You can trust guys that admit to errors and mistakes and not trust guys that never make mistakes.

[Spoot-Face]

1 minute ago, BigRy56 said:

There couldn’t be a better person leading the Jets right now. In JD we trust

[joewilly12]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Darnold is gone unless the new coach loves him and wants him.

How the hell is that remotely possible. 

If we hire a HC who wants Sam Darnold as their starting QB we are in big trouble. 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

You listened to the interview on ESPN?  He said for the millionth time that he believes you build through the Draft and then developing those players.  I really, really doubt Joe D tries to shortcut the process by throwing huge contracts around at a couple of people.

He's on a 6 year deal and he will have new HC coming in.  That new coach will want to build things with Joe D over time and not hamstring his new team in Year 1.

That as a GREAT interview on ESPN.  Thanks for mentioning it earlier!

Not only did he say it for the millionth time CJ has echoed the same message.  Any fan who would rather build a 9-7, 10-6 team loaded with expensive, old FA can go.  We did that with Macc and it blew up in his face. Fans know this, its what they were ready to let the Rangers and Knicks do, its what Jets fans want because they want a perennial winner not a flash in the pan type team

And theyre not trying to set JD up for the fall because they told everyone Gase would be back and the big bad man fired him

[SAR I]

17 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

I love this guy

I want to love this guy, but since we're not paying make-believe with Gase anymore we can't play make-believe with Douglas either.  I've learned that lesson.

He was a second year GM whose team slid from 7-9 to 2-14, his draft class can't stay healthy, his rebuilt OL isn't rebuilt, and the players he traded away are studs elsewhere.  Being honest.  Robbie, Leonard, and Jamal would be really nice right now, going to take years to get equivalents back.

SAR I

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Darnold is gone unless the new coach loves him and wants him.

Big respect for Douglas admitting errors.  He is not a cover my ass guy and he is accountable.  Very refreshing.

You can trust guys that admit to errors and mistakes and not trust guys that never make mistakes.

It also looms large because hes willing to make moves, deals that he believes in over a deal that helps keep his ass clean.  

We may have gotten very lucky here.  We deserve it for once

[JetPotato]

15 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Explain the 2020 Los Angeles Chargers to me.  They already had a roster 2x better than ours and hit the lottery with Herbert. 

SAR I

If we're going to explain the Chargers to you, we're going to have to go back first and start with the fundamentals of the sport itself. That's like an AP class in High School. Let's get you through Kindergarten first.

[Spoot-Face]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Darnold is gone unless the new coach loves him and wants him.

Big respect for Douglas admitting errors.  He is not a cover my ass guy and he is accountable.  Very refreshing.

You can trust guys that admit to errors and mistakes and not trust guys that never make mistakes.

This

The more someone admits to being an idiot every now and then, the smarter they probably are, and the more someone brags about their intelligence, the more paint chips they've probably eaten as a child.

[Beerfish]

6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

How the hell is that remotely possible. 

If we hire a HC who wants Sam Darnold as their starting QB we are in big trouble. 

Coaches ALWAYS think they can fix players ALWAYS.

[SAR I]

13 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

Think we’ve waited long enough, seen enough poor football. I want to see an actual H.C, and not a space cadet. I want to see real innovation, NFL level play and to be competitive. Not getting blown out by at least two scores every game.

No ones expecting 10 Wins, apart from you and “your” outrageous early season threads. 

I want to see some real football, and a team we can all route for. Will we get that who knows?

If Douglas builds a team that goes 2-14 again next year but significantly fortifies the OL, Secondary, and QB position for a decade of slow and demonstrable growth into a contender by 2023 would you be happy?

Because Jets history says no.  Jets history says F the patient rebuild and go for wins wins wins now now now.  And that's what gets us to the lather-rinse-repeat circle of life in Florham Park.  That's why doing it "the right way" is hard.  It makes careers look broken.  It makes owners look terrible.

They're asking the wrong questions.  It's not about "what is the reporting structure?"  The question is "are you going to continue to patiently rebuild through the draft and sacrifice a season or two in the short term to ensure a decade of winning football?"

SAR I

[T0mShane]

WOW. Rear. View. Mirror. 
 

 

[T0mShane]

Icy

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

8 minutes ago, SAR I said:

I want to love this guy, but since we're not paying make-believe with Gase anymore we can't play make-believe with Douglas either.  I've learned that lesson.

braVO

[SAR I]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

WOW. Rear. View. Mirror. 

Looks like the friggin' Ring Of Honor compared to what we've got going on now.  

SAR I

[56mehl56]

7 minutes ago, SAR I said:

My point is that the Jets are essentially an expansion team.  What we had when we went 7-9 has all been traded away, and the hopes we have for a competitive roster next year rely primarily on drafting.  Darnold is a bust, so we have to burn our chance to get a haul on Fields or whomever.  And if we weren't going to pay Robbie or Jamal, who are we paying out of the 28 players whose contracts have just expired?

Last season was a throwaway and I could live with that because I thought there was a patient master plan afoot.  There isn't.  We've just gotten the FO out of sync again and put our young nerdy GM in the hottest seat in the NFL.  And the words we're hearing from Johnson and Douglas make it sound like there is urgency to put up a winner. Not hard to do, not hard to go 9-7 if you want to emulate Maccagnan 2015, a one hit wonder that doesn't last.

SAR I

I would agree with you if they impulsively go out and bring in a Harbaugh or Cowher.

The choice in HC will tell us if they are going to build this from the ground up.  Going with a high profile retread puts the ego/win now factor back on the table like with Parcells after 1-15. Sure the team had a few great years but it wasn't sustainable due to them pushing the chips all in on Parcells high priced vets.  Bring in a younger HC and staff and build it together with the cache of draft picks JD has stockpiled and with wisely spent FA picks and contracts. JD has a 6 year contract , let's build this to last.

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, SAR I said:

If Douglas builds a team that goes 2-14 again next year but significantly fortifies the OL, Secondary, and QB position for a decade of slow and demonstrable growth into a contender by 2023 would you be happy?

If we get a HC and keep the same team there isn't a chance we go 2-14.  Because if we had a real HC this season we beat SF, beat the Broncos and go at least 4-12.  Gase blew that much