Zach Wilson’s fathers Twitter activity

[Dunnie]

Do you really believe that Lawrence has been "under duress" consistently in his college career. That rough and tumble ACC? 
Has Lawrence not had quality WR's to throw to? Have they been covered in tight windows?

Do you really believe Fields is a better prospect than Lawrence????

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[freestater]

12 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

The thing about this argument that bugs me the most is it's as if Lawrence and Wilson aren't throwing to dudes in wide open space all game. It's a negative for Field, ignored for others.

They get all dreamy-eyed after the twink throws balls to guys five yards open at the Boca Raton Bowl vs UCF, but somehow knock Fields throwing guys open vs the second ranked team in the country. 

[New York Mick]

Zero chance he goes 2nd anyway. 

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Do you really believe Fields is a better prospect than Lawrence????

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No I don't, because of the relative lack of games played.

I have consistently said on this site, since the beginning of the college football season that Fields has a higher ceiling that Lawrence, but he also has a higher bust factor. Lawrence is the safer pick in my mind. 

Again, all one person's opinion. But these comparisons of rushes faced, open receivers in comparison are pretty petty.

[greenwichjetfan]

8 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

It’s hard to gauge a players ability throwing with no rush and receiver wide open on his first read.

Completely agree. Especially when considering that 90% of Lawrence’s throws are less than 5 yards from the LOS, and he plays on one of the best teams in the country and faces inferior competition every Saturday! 

Generational. Ha!

[HawkeyeJet]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Lawrence has 3 years of play, going through progressions, throwing guys open etc. There’s a reason he’s a stone cold lock to go first overall. I don’t see them remotely close as players.

That's the thing.  He doesn't really have lots of experience going through progressions. Clemson's offense is just as simplified, if not more, than Ohio States.  Half field reads, majority of throws are close to the line of scrimmage.  

[Ghost]

I hate the guy already ?

[Matt39]

Just now, HawkeyeJet said:

That's the thing.  He doesn't really have lots of experience going through progressions. Clemson's offense is just as simplified, if not more, than Ohio States.  Half field reads, majority of throws are close to the line of scrimmage.  

Fair enough. Again, just my eye test here. But the gap between Lawrence and Fields seems massive. Fields just doesnt jump out to me. He cant run like Kyler either, which is a ding.

[heymangold]

LOL - this board is so wishy-washy with the recency bias.

2 weeks ago everyone hates Fields after 1 poor game, Wilson was the savior

Last week fields demolishes Clemson and now everyone loves him.

now Wilson’s dad likes some Twitter stuff and it’s “eff him I like fields more”

stick to your guns people.

[Ghost420]

3 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

What?

I don’t like either of them as prospects. In fact I’d probably give Fields the edge. I think either are some of the worst prospects I have ever seen to be projected 2nd overall.

Marcus mariota and Jared goff say hi

[Dunnie]

They get all dreamy-eyed after the twink throws balls to guys five yards open at the Boca Raton Bowl vs UCF, but somehow knock Fields throwing guys open vs the second ranked team in the country. 

Curious ...

What makes you refer to Wilson as "the twink" ??

His superior arm talent? His superior football acumen? Or his superior girlfriends ...



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[Matt39]

10 minutes ago, jgb said:

This is where I am at.

No even one game, HIGHLIGHTS from one game

every throw

[freestater]

2 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Curious ...

What makes you refer to Wilson as "the twink" ??

His superior arm talent? His superior football acumen? Or his superior girlfriends ...



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Because he looks like a twink. And hes gonna get broken in the NFL. I mean...broken again. 

[Charlie Brown]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fair enough. Again, just my eye test here. But the gap between Lawrence and Fields seems massive. Fields just doesnt jump out to me. He cant run like Kyler either, which is a ding.

This post is confusing, do you actually believe that Lawrence can run like Kyler ?

If not, why in the world is Fields being compared to Kyler?

[munchmemory]

Besides our QB decision/plight, I have not stopped thinking that Belicheat and NE will pull off a shocker.  Seeing Wilson in a Pats' hat is interesting, but I don't believe that picking him is their move.  Not sure what they will orchestrate.  But something huge (trading up somehow for pick 1 or 2, mega trade?) is on the horizon. I feel it in my decrepit bones.

[Matt39]

Just now, Charlie Brown said:

This post is confusing, do you actually believe that Lawrence can run like Kyler ?

If not, why in the world is Fields being compared to Kyler?

Fields cant, but he's being positioned as a dual threat guy no?

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, freestater said:

Because he looks like a twink. And hes gonna get broken in the NFL. I mean...broken again. 

When has he broken at BYU? 

 

[Scott Dierking]

8 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fair enough. Again, just my eye test here. But the gap between Lawrence and Fields seems massive. Fields just doesnt jump out to me. He cant run like Kyler either, which is a ding.

He is very, very close in speed as Murray, and bigger

[Jet Life]

45 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I cant believe after watching Fields highlights of him not facing any sort of rush and throwing to guys wide open he’d go 2 overall. Watch the Northwestern game...holding the ball typically means he’s not seeing past his first read, which is fairly important at the NFL level. Wilson seems a bit douchey and has not played great comp, but he looks better overall. Not sold on either though...so typical Jets!

One bad game out of 20, let’s write the player off for good 

[Dunnie]

Because he looks like a twink. And hes gonna get broken in the NFL. I mean...broken again. 

... glad you confirmed my suspicions ...

Dude is the better prospect than Fields imho.

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[greenwichjetfan]

12 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

No I don't, because of the relative lack of games played.

I have consistently said on this site, since the beginning of the college football season that Fields has a higher ceiling that Lawrence, but he also has a higher bust factor. Lawrence is the safer pick in my mind. 

Again, all one person's opinion. But these comparisons of rushes faced, open receivers in comparison are pretty petty.

Make that 2 person’s opinion, Scott. But now that Lawrence is out of the picture, I’m very happy with Fields. 
 

 

On 11/13/2020 at 2:15 PM, greenwichjetfan said:

Completely agree. 

In terms of Fields vs Lawrence, I want the guy with the higher floor. Lawrence has been the #1 guy for longer. Aside from the title game last year, he's generally lived up to it. He's probably already surpassed the "10,000 hours" milestone in terms of QB1 reps in practices and live action. For me, all of that is tangible, and it significantly raises his floor.

My viewpoint has always been that aside from the few truly elite talents in NFL history, NFL coaching and roster talent will be larger determinants of how a young QB fares than his own talent alone. Since I'm banking on JD getting the roster in shape and picking the right coaching staff (what other choice do I have?), I want Lawrence at 1.1 as the safer pick to be a top 10 QB, even if he never materializes as a top 2 or 3 QB. Fields could be ARod 5 years from now, but if not put in the right circumstances, could also be a backup after his rookie deal.

All that said, if we **** around and win a game or two, I'm perfectly happy with Fields at 1.2. 

 

[#27TheDominator]

36 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

The thing about this argument that bugs me the most is it's as if Lawrence and Wilson aren't throwing to dudes in wide open space all game. It's a negative for Field, ignored for others.

The thing that bothers me is that we dissect the Jets games and complain about Darnold missing all these dudes in wide open space.  If the guy isn't finding them, isn't that a negative?

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Jet Life said:

One bad game out of 20, let’s write the player off for good 

Not at all. It's just hard to quantify how good he is when he hasnt faced any sort of pass rush. The Jets kinda have to get this one right.

[kevinc855]

Why would any QB prospect see the careers of Sanchez and Darnold and be like “oh yea Def want to go to the Jets!”

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Not at all. It's just hard to quantify how good he is when he hasnt faced any sort of pass rush. The Jets kinda have to get this one right.

Matt, with all due respect, you seem a bit wishy washy here:

Fields: Throw out 2018, he didn't play quality minutes. 2019-2020 Fields sacked 51 times in 21 games.

Year	Team	Sacked
2018	UGa	4
2019	OhioSt	31
2020	OhioSt	20
Career		55

 

Lawrence: 2019-2020 sacked 30 times in 25 games

Career Passing Stats

Year	Team	Sacked
2018	Clem	11
2019	Clem	17
2020	Clem	13
Career		41

Now, this does not count how many pressures they each faced, but your analysis seems off.

[jetophile]

5 hours ago, oatmeal said:

Damn this is going to be a bananas offseason, ?

Trippin' and slippin' on banana peels for everyone! ?

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fair enough. Again, just my eye test here. But the gap between Lawrence and Fields seems massive. Fields just doesnt jump out to me. He cant run like Kyler either, which is a ding.

Youre right but no one has been rated as high as Lawrence during their college careers, so what's the point?  In one piece PFF talked about Lawrence being generational but also adding that Fields was rated all of 1 point behind him and could be the better NFL QB.  Now theres a piece claiming the same with Wilson as a pro.  

I would be fine with Wilson if the Jets believe hes the better prospect, I can see it as a possibility. I can see the case for either QB, theyre both talented and this years combine is going to be really important to Wilson.  

This is your style, every HC candidate that isnt who you prefer, theyre horrible choices, any QB you dont want, theyre horrible with XY& Z wrong with their games.  

8 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Fields cant, but he's being positioned as a dual threat guy no?

Fields is a passing QB who yes can run so some call him a dual threat.  Being dual threat doesnt mean he runs like somebody else, means he can run.  

Guess what, Wilson can run but not like Fields.  Is athletic but not as athletic asw Fields.  No one cares.

[JustInFudge]

30 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Every other game I’ve seen of him he’s playing in a tuxedo. It’s hard to gauge a players ability throwing with no rush and receiver wide open on his first read.

Here's the thing, the entire NCAA plays this way.  You think Lawrence is doing something different?  Have you watched any Zach Wilson?  Dude throws the balls with 20 feet of space between him and his OL....and he still drifts away.  The only program where you see someone running a prostyle offense, is Texas A&M, are you interested in Kellen Mond?  

You need to look at some of the film break down on him, this first read stuff you say over and over again is totally bogus.  He's asked to go through progressions probably more then anyone in the NCAA because they'll run 4 verts 20 times a game (another reason the ball seems to be held long) and go through each progression.  His TD to the TE that he literally placed in his hands, he went from through 4 progressions.  Started right to the 2 WR's, came back to the middle of the field and threw the TD to his last progression.  His bomb to Olave, the post was the 3rd progression. 

You're not watching, you're seeing what you've convinced yourself he is....which is cool, I'm not here to convince you that you're wrong on Fields but your takes are off, for sure.  And referencing 1 game over and again is ridiculous.  It's really no different then hanging onto the 1 good game Sam has had in his NFL career to say, see; he's good!!!
 

[freestater]

11 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

... glad you confirmed my suspicions ...

Dude is the better prospect than Fields imho.

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Your "suspicions", huh? 

I think the opposite. Fields is going to make a fantastic pro.

[oatmeal]

5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Matt, with all due respect, you seem a bit wishy washy here:

Fields: Throw out 2018, he didn't play quality minutes. 2019-2020 Fields sacked 51 times in 21 games.

Year	Team	Sacked
2018	UGa	4
2019	OhioSt	31
2020	OhioSt	20
Career		55

 

Lawrence: 2019-2020 sacked 30 times in 25 games

Career Passing Stats

Year	Team	Sacked
2018	Clem	11
2019	Clem	17
2020	Clem	13
Career		41

Now, this does not count how many pressures they each faced, but your analysis seems off.

Mic drop ? 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Youre right but no one has been rated as high as Lawrence during their college careers, so what's the point?  In one piece PFF talked about Lawrence being generational but also adding that Fields was rated all of 1 point behind him and could be the better NFL QB.  Now theres a piece claiming the same with Wilson as a pro.  

I would be fine with Wilson if the Jets believe hes the better prospect, I can see it as a possibility. I can see the case for either QB, theyre both talented and this years combine is going to be really important to Wilson.  

This is your style, every HC candidate that isnt who you prefer, theyre horrible choices, any QB you dont want, theyre horrible with XY& Z wrong with their games.  

Fields is a passing QB who yes can run so some call him a dual threat.  Being dual threat doesnt mean he runs like somebody else, means he can run.  

Guess what, Wilson can run but not like Fields.  Is athletic but not as athletic asw Fields.  No one cares.

I don’t believe I said either were horrible, but feel free to put words in my mouth. 
 

The Jets are coming off a 2-14 season and countless poor drafts. If you’re not being critical as a fan then you’re just being a homer. I’m sorry this bugs your sensibilities so much.

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

I cant believe after watching Fields highlights of him not facing any sort of rush and throwing to guys wide open he’d go 2 overall. Watch the Northwestern game...holding the ball typically means he’s not seeing past his first read, which is fairly important at the NFL level. Wilson seems a bit douchey and has not played great comp, but he looks better overall. Not sold on either though...so typical Jets!

Fields not having Olave for the Northwestern game made a pretty big impact.  So i cut him a little slack there.

[Matt39]

9 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Matt, with all due respect, you seem a bit wishy washy here:

Fields: Throw out 2018, he didn't play quality minutes. 2019-2020 Fields sacked 51 times in 21 games.

Year	Team	Sacked
2018	UGa	4
2019	OhioSt	31
2020	OhioSt	20
Career		55

 

Lawrence: 2019-2020 sacked 30 times in 25 games

Career Passing Stats

Year	Team	Sacked
2018	Clem	11
2019	Clem	17
2020	Clem	13
Career		41

Now, this does not count how many pressures they each faced, but your analysis seems off.

More sacks = better now? Fields holds the ball too long, isn’t that his biggest knock?

At this point comparing anyone to Lawrence isn’t going to do us any good because he’s going to Jacksonville anyways.

[JustInFudge]

52 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

The thing about this argument that bugs me the most is it's as if Lawrence and Wilson aren't throwing to dudes in wide open space all game. It's a negative for Field, ignored for others.

100% it's so bizarre, these guys have bad games and it's brushed off or altogether just ignored.    Fields has 1 bad game with valid reasoning of why, it's his one outlier but its career defining?  It's been a while since we've broke down QB's but I dont remember it being this ridiculous and this jaded.

The thing that really blows my mind is, TL looked like trash again vs. OSU and in the process, showed zero leadership.  He was a whiny, mopey, little bitch, who looked defeated the second OSU made a stop...same thing vs. LSU last year.  Just mentally gone.  Meanwhile, Fields put on a historic legendary bad ass tough guy leadership display but nobody is talking about that, like at all....lets talk about the Northwestern game.  lmfao.

It's wild man.

 

[JustInFudge]

44 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Lawrence has 3 years of play, going through progressions, throwing guys open etc. There’s a reason he’s a stone cold lock to go first overall. I don’t see them remotely close as players.

Wait, what?  lol

I'm baffled.  Baffled.  He throws screens, check downs and swings...