JustInFudge Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Augustiniak said: not even close. and though wilson is not as fast as fields he seems to make decisions faster and get the ball out faster and also has a faster deliver and a more compact throwing motion. you'll hear all of this from more credible people over the next few months though. Which one isnt close. Jimmy G, Tua or Manziel? lol I gave you few. I dont think Wilson does anything better than anyone in the conversation What's appealing about him is his live arm. It comes out fast with velocity and he's got solid accuracy. The rest? Meh, none of them have any real concerns or are head and shoulders above the other in the stuff you're talking about. Wilson floats and drifts in the pocket. Fields is a more calm but more deliberate. Lawrence is a long strider. I dont think any of it really effects their game too much but I would say the floating/drifting is a red flag at the next level and something that is hard to overcome, look at Baker Mayfield. The difference is the stuff Wilson just inherently lacks which impacts the analysis. Size and athleticism matter in the NFL and Lawrence and Fields ooze it which is why they've been talked about since High School and why we've seen them play much much much better competition. Wilson is the gamble of the 3. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 12 hours ago, artemusclyde said: Always liked Fields better anyway. God Douglas better not **** this up. Just draft Fields. Wonder how Wilson would have played after the taking hit Fields against Clemson?. Not sure his frame would have held up. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, freestater said: Thank you very much. The reactions that I got from people in my life were the things that helped me through some really tough times earlier in life. The people in your life are blessed to have a kind person like yourself in their lives. I want to hug you so hard right now I'm afraid I'd squeeze your guts out. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, bitonti said: this was a movie reference of extraordinary magnitude you have our gratitude He gets bonus points for posting it in one of the few threads GOB has posted in over the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: Oh shut up and let us have our fun. No you ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 31 minutes ago, JiF said: I want to hug you so hard right now I'm afraid I'd squeeze your guts out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, freestater said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Irish Jet said: I agree, I'd bet on us going Fields right now though. Given how reactionary everyone is though it wouldn't shock me if he plummets if he underperforms in the Title game. He just needs to play pretty good in the Title game and not show major flaws like Darnold showed his last game against NE. Up against each QBs competition one the Pros and one College, they have been playing long enough to see are you doing things at this stage where you are you should not be doing. If you throw a ball up for grabs at the end of the game, on 4th down at the end, with no time left, etc. I understand since you at least give your team a chance to win. But, doing those type of things when there is enough time in the game to be more careful and not put the team in a bad situation or hole is unacceptable at either Pro or College level. And as the Godfather once said, "that I do not forgive". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: Hmmmmmm thank you... Could Darnold rework his 5th year option to make it more team friendly? If so, that is what I would do if I were Darnold because NO ONE in their right mind is giving Darnold $25MM based on his current level of performance.... Yes and no. Yes, but it would be in the form of an extension the team gives him after his 4th season officially begins in early March. Technically possible, but practically impossible. There's just no incentive for him to sign a contract that locks him in for any longer than the next upcoming year if it's in the sub-$20MM range. Not until he's had a tryout with another team and then the rest of the league has collectively demoted him to a QB2 who'll float around for a while. At his age I'm sure he still sees himself as a starting QB with a lot of upside. He's not cutting his own balls off so long as there's even one more team that still sees what they saw when he was at USC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yes and no. Yes, but it would be in the form of an extension the team gives him after his 4th season officially begins in early March. Technically possible, but practically impossible. There's just no incentive for him to sign a contract that locks him in for any longer than the next upcoming year if it's in the sub-$20MM range. Not until he's had a tryout with another team and then the rest of the league has collectively demoted him to a QB2 who'll float around for a while. At his age I'm sure he still sees himself as a starting QB with a lot of upside. He's not cutting his own balls off so long as there's even one more team that still sees what they saw when he was at USC. to paraphrase dirty harry, a man's got to know his limitations. i wonder if darnold has such a high opinion of his abilities that he would go for a top dollar deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, rangerous said: to paraphrase dirty harry, a man's got to know his limitations. i wonder if darnold has such a high opinion of his abilities that he would go for a top dollar deal? He's not taking a long term lowball deal entering his 4th NFL season -- a season in which he's likely to be starting for the Jets (who, jokes aside, should field a better offense around the QB than in 2020) or for a team that just gave up a day 2 pick to get him. There are also expressions like buy low sell high. He'd be buying low by agreeing to an extension now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yes and no. Yes, but it would be in the form of an extension the team gives him after his 4th season officially begins in early March. Technically possible, but practically impossible. There's just no incentive for him to sign a contract that locks him in for any longer than the next upcoming year if it's in the sub-$20MM range. Not until he's had a tryout with another team and then the rest of the league has collectively demoted him to a QB2 who'll float around for a while. At his age I'm sure he still sees himself as a starting QB with a lot of upside. He's not cutting his own balls off so long as there's even one more team that still sees what they saw when he was at USC. Thank you Magic 8 Ball! Great Answer!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 He liked this. Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Kid grew up a Pats fan? Yeah, not our guy. Draft Fields. Sounds like Wilson might pull an Eli if he gets drafted by the Jets anyway. Supposedly his family is well off and a pain to deal with. Pass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I'd rather deal with the Ball brothers dad before dealing with this N.E Patriots lovers daddy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 hours ago, UnknownJetFan said: Wonder how Wilson would have played after the taking hit Fields against Clemson?. Not sure his frame would have held up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Kid grew up a Pats fan? Yeah, not our guy. Draft Fields. Sounds like Wilson might pull an Eli if he gets drafted by the Jets anyway. Supposedly his family is well off and a pain to deal with. Pass. Rosen part 2. Every year there’s a touted QB who fails in league not due to talent but because of mental/intangibles. This guy has bust red flags at full mast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 1:45 PM, Matt39 said: I cant believe after watching Fields highlights of him not facing any sort of rush and throwing to guys wide open he’d go 2 overall. Watch the Northwestern game...holding the ball typically means he’s not seeing past his first read, which is fairly important at the NFL level. Wilson seems a bit douchey and has not played great comp, but he looks better overall. Not sold on either though...so typical Jets! Flavor of the month Fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 ???? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxsta Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 2:15 PM, oatmeal said: ???? Wonder how his dad feels now?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, juxsta said: Wonder how his dad feels now?? Good point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 3:49 AM, jgb said: Rosen part 2. Every year there’s a touted QB who fails in league not due to talent but because of mental/intangibles. This guy has bust red flags at full mast. Disagree. Wilson doesn’t have question marks regarding interest in football. By all accounts he’s a football first kinda kid. He’s probably a douche but so are a lot of QBs. He seems more Baker Mayfield than Josh Rosen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Disagree. Wilson doesn’t have question marks regarding interest in football. By all accounts he’s a football first kinda kid. He’s probably a douche but so are a lot of QBs. He seems more Baker Mayfield than Josh Rosen. Didn't say they were exactly the same guy. Or else "comparisons" would be called "exacts." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, kdels62 said: Disagree. Wilson doesn’t have question marks regarding interest in football. By all accounts he’s a football first kinda kid. He’s probably a douche but so are a lot of QBs. He seems more Baker Mayfield than Josh Rosen. This is key. Wilson may not be Mr. Blue Collar Niceguy but his love for Football is apparent. Rosen never had the heart for it at the end of the day. His love for the game was questioned even before he flamed out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 2:15 PM, oatmeal said: ???? Why didnt he mention the fit of the Adam Gase offense? Too complicated and intricate I guess. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 You guys r making too much of the dads comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, jgb said: Didn't say they were exactly the same guy. Or else "comparisons" would be called "exacts." This is a message board. If I disagree, I will pick at your opinion. It’s just how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 7:50 AM, JiF said: I cant believe how you continue to repeat the same thing over and over again about 1 game and ignore all all the other evidence that shows you're wrong about Fields but I guess it's fun to get a thought in your head and refuse to see anything else. The group think is amazing. The new one is that Wilson is perfect for the Shanahan system. Wilson plays almost exclusively out of the shotgun and the 49ers play under center more than almost any other team in the league. If there is a QB that is a fit for the system, its Trey Lance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, kdels62 said: This is a message board. If I disagree, I will pick at your opinion. It’s just how it goes. You act like you don't expect anyone to pick at the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 The father also liked this PFF mock of Wilson being drafted by the Jets. So who knows! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 10:59 PM, artemusclyde said: Always liked Fields better anyway. God Douglas better not **** this up. Just draft Fields. Or be smart and trade down to draft talent and build a team. Probably the better choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 8:55 AM, kdels62 said: So the guy throwing to guys named Dax Milne and Gunner Romney has the skill position advantage? The defenses he was playing weren't exactly the 1985 Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, jgb said: You act like you don't expect anyone to pick at the pick. I love the picking. But this is quickly becoming a meta conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: I love the picking. But this is quickly becoming a meta conversation Ok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, maury77 said: The defenses he was playing weren't exactly the 1985 Bears As opposed to the defenses Trevor Lawrence plays against? In games where talent is basically equal Wilson was the reason BYU was dominant. It’s a relative. Like clearly Trevor Lawrence is so good he turns the balance of talent against Notre Dame in favor of Clemson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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