Anyone have final PFF ratings for our OLine?

[section314]

Especially interested in Elflein, GVR and McGovern.

[fullblast]

Becton
Overall 74.3
Pass - 76.0
Run - 73.8

Elflein
Overall 48.2
Pass - 30.5
Run - 56.3

McGovern
Overall - 62.6
Pass - 42.7
Run - 71.0

Van Roten
Overall - 62.7
Pass - 70.8
Run - 54.4

Fant
Overall - 61.8
Pass - 61.8
Run - 57.2

Ugh

[jbt]

is the Elflein grade his whole year or just with the jets? 

 

[section314]

2 minutes ago, fullblast said:

Becton
Overall 74.3
Pass - 76.0
Run - 73.8

Elflein
Overall 48.2
Pass - 30.5
Run - 56.3

McGovern
Overall - 62.6
Pass - 42.7
Run - 71.0

Van Roten
Overall - 62.7
Pass - 70.8
Run - 54.4

Fant
Overall - 61.8
Pass - 61.8
Run - 57.2

Ugh

Thanks much. Surprised by Elflein, seemed to have played pretty well.

[k-met57]

the eye test says the OL is half way there. i would draft a center, move mcgovern to guard (where he was always better with denver), and probably roll with Fant at RT.

[fullblast]

4 minutes ago, jbt said:

is the Elflein grade his whole year or just with the jets? 

 

It's for the entire year. He only played 1 game with Minnesota and 6 with the Jets.

[fullblast]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

Thanks much. Surprised by Elflein, seemed to have played pretty well.

I thought he had a great game against Cleveland. He was tossing linemen around.

[section314]

Just now, fullblast said:

It's for the entire year. He only played 1 game with Minnesota and 6 with the Jets.

Wow.

[Hael]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

Thanks much. Surprised by Elflein, seemed to have played pretty well.

I think he had a couple really brutal games that probably hurt his score.  The Pats were pushing him around on almost every play, and their interior DL is pretty bad, so that likely affected things

[jeremy2020]

13 minutes ago, section314 said:

Especially interested in Elflein, GVR and McGovern.

Here they are:

[Beerfish]

Awful oline, need a guard a center and a tackle if we want a good oline, not a 'oh hey we did not get the Qb killed on every play' oline.

[Butterfield]

Definitely need 2 new guards this year.  A center would be great but the guard play has been terrible.  

[fullblast]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Here they are:

Must be Becton standing there.

[section314]

3 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

the eye test says the OL is half way there. i would draft a center, move mcgovern to guard (where he was always better with denver), and probably roll with Fant at RT.

I would love that, and it's so doable with all our picks. I really think that Cam Clark will get a big shot to win a G spot next year. Even though he played OT in college, think most teams projected him as a G.

[DoubleDown]

They are a middle of the pack unit that improved as the season went on.  A vast improvement over the historically bad 2019 offensive line.

[UntouchableCrew]

Honestly, just watching I thought the o-line was noticeably better in 2020 than they were in 2019.

Still need to upgrade -- most notably at RG/C IMO -- but I think we're trending in the right direction.

[Gangrene]

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

29. NEW YORK JETS

The Jets, like the Dolphins, threw a lot of resources at the offensive line this offseason. That included a first-round pick spent on Louisville tackle Mekhi Becton, who impressed in his rookie season. His 74.3 PFF grade ranked 19th out of 38 qualifying left tackles despite battling injuries, and he showcased that his rare blend of size and athleticism could cause serious problems for defenders.

Overall, however, it was a disappointing season for the offensive line in New York. They allowed pressure in 2.5 seconds or less on 28% of their dropbacks — the worst rate in the NFL. The line wasn’t creating many lanes in the run game, either. The Jets averaged just 1.1 yards per carry before contact per rushing attempt in 2020 (30th). Once again, they’ll have to look to add pieces to their offensive line this offseason.

30. Bengals

31. Giants

32.Chargers

****

Extra notes. 

Patriots and Bills both ranked in the top ten Oline, regular season rankings.

Miami ranked almost as poorly as the Jets at 28th.

Kelvin Beachum had a great year at the right tackle position in Arizona, passing grade north of 75

(Arizona ranked 12th)

[section314]

4 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

29. NEW YORK JETS

The Jets, like the Dolphins, threw a lot of resources at the offensive line this offseason. That included a first-round pick spent on Louisville tackle Mekhi Becton, who impressed in his rookie season. His 74.3 PFF grade ranked 19th out of 38 qualifying left tackles despite battling injuries, and he showcased that his rare blend of size and athleticism could cause serious problems for defenders.

Overall, however, it was a disappointing season for the offensive line in New York. They allowed pressure in 2.5 seconds or less on 28% of their dropbacks — the worst rate in the NFL. The line wasn’t creating many lanes in the run game, either. The Jets averaged just 1.1 yards per carry before contact per rushing attempt in 2020 (30th). Once again, they’ll have to look to add pieces to their offensive line this offseason.

30. Bengals

31. Giants

32.Chargers

****

Extra notes. 

Patriots and Bills both ranked in the top ten Oline, regular season rankings.

Miami ranked almost as poorly as the Jets at 28th.

Kelvin Beachum had a great year at the right tackle position in Arizona, passing grade north of 75

(Arizona ranked 12th)

Makes Herbert's season even more amazing.

[Guilhermezmc]

Pay Joe Thuney and Taylor Moton draft Josh Myers and Wyatt Davis. Done problem solved in one off season. 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, fullblast said:

Becton
Overall 74.3
Pass - 76.0
Run - 73.8

Elflein
Overall 48.2
Pass - 30.5
Run - 56.3

McGovern
Overall - 62.6
Pass - 42.7
Run - 71.0

Van Roten
Overall - 62.7
Pass - 70.8
Run - 54.4

Fant
Overall - 61.8
Pass - 61.8
Run - 57.2

Ugh

Kinda like we thought.  Our line is Becton and a bunch of random dudes.

Sign Thuney, draft either Creed Humphrey, Sam Cosmi or Alex Leatherwood with that late 1st from Seattle or the Jets' early 2nd.

[Icer]

GVR PFF pass block rate is surprising to say the least. Other than a few games late in the season pre-injury it seems like he was a spanish matador

[K Clue]

Wow, really surprised by Elfliens grade, I thought he played well. 
 

4 hours ago, fullblast said:

It's for the entire year. He only played 1 game with Minnesota and 6 with the Jets.

According to Nfl.com he hasn’t played at all with Minnesota this season. He’s only played 7 games this season and it was all with the Jets. 

[Skeet Ulrich]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

Makes Herbert's season even more amazing.

It's funny you bring this up - Chargers had the worst OL graded by PFF and Herbert had an amazing rookie season. When you're good - you're good. The idea that you build the team up around a young QB and it'll make him a pro bowler is absurd. Either you have it or you don't.

[football guy]

PFF has always had weird grades for OL imo. I think they underrated Becton/Fant/Elflein and overrated McGovern/GVR. 

Lewis had a 66.6 grade with a 55.6 pass block and a 71.5 run block. That one seems pretty on-par. 

[BigRy56]

Surprising. I have to say I don't think the OL was that bad this year - they were an average unit, I'd say

[Irish Jet]

Fant was garbage. Horrifically overrated on here.

[fullblast]

2 hours ago, K Clue said:

Wow, really surprised by Elfliens grade, I thought he played well. 
 

According to Nfl.com he hasn’t played at all with Minnesota this season. He’s only played 7 games this season and it was all with the Jets. 

Ah, I was looking at PFR, it shows that he played 52 snaps in week 1 for Minny.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElflPa00.htm

[fullblast]

They rated our line 29th. JD has his work cut out.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

29. NEW YORK JETS

The Jets, like the Dolphins, threw a lot of resources at the offensive line this offseason. That included a first-round pick spent on Louisville tackle Mekhi Becton, who impressed in his rookie season. His 74.3 PFF grade ranked 19th out of 38 qualifying left tackles despite battling injuries, and he showcased that his rare blend of size and athleticism could cause serious problems for defenders.

Overall, however, it was a disappointing season for the offensive line in New York. They allowed pressure in 2.5 seconds or less on 28% of their dropbacks — the worst rate in the NFL. The line wasn’t creating many lanes in the run game, either. The Jets averaged just 1.1 yards per carry before contact per rushing attempt in 2020 (30th). Once again, they’ll have to look to add pieces to their offensive line this offseason.

 

Interestingly, they ranked the Chargers line worst in the league. Makes Herbert's season look that much more impressive.

[jetscrazey]

We need Joe Thuney or some bigtime veteran and either the late 1st/early 2nd pick to bolster this OL. 

[Losmeister]

9 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

It's funny you bring this up - Chargers had the worst OL graded by PFF and Herbert had an amazing rookie season. When you're good - you're good. The idea that you build the team up around a young QB and it'll make him a pro bowler is absurd. Either you have it or you don't.

[bitonti]

[K Clue]

9 hours ago, fullblast said:

Ah, I was looking at PFR, it shows that he played 52 snaps in week 1 for Minny.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElflPa00.htm

Honestly this is probably right. Nfl.com is kind of buggy sometimes. 

[bitonti]

16 hours ago, fullblast said:

I thought he had a great game against Cleveland. He was tossing linemen around.

People's rosey opinions on pat elflein is proof how much they know about the line. Not much and it's mostly wishful thinking 

The Jets have one legitimate starter, Becton. Maybe McGovern if you squint. 3 out of the 5 "starters" are huge liabilities and in fact, not nfl starters at all. 

Becton had a great year in terms of jersey sales and pro bowl votes and guys saying how big he is. That's not enough 

Sewell at lt, Becton at rt and build the foundation. 

If the Jets take a qb at 2, he could very well be on the ir this time next year like Joe burrow 

[kdels62]

47 minutes ago, bitonti said:

People's rosey opinions on pat elflein is proof how much they know about the line. Not much and it's mostly wishful thinking 

The Jets have one legitimate starter, Becton. Maybe McGovern if you squint. 3 out of the 5 "starters" are huge liabilities and in fact, not nfl starters at all. 

Becton had a great year in terms of jersey sales and pro bowl votes and guys saying how big he is. That's not enough 

Sewell at lt, Becton at rt and build the foundation. 

If the Jets take a qb at 2, he could very well be on the ir this time next year like Joe burrow 

Fant isn’t a liability but upgradable. You’re missing however that Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert and even Ryan Fitzpatrick were all pretty good even tho they had trash OLs. Spend some of our $90+million on an OL upgrade and we take a good QB prospect at 2. We end up a better team than if we draft Sewell. 

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Fant isn’t a liability but upgradable. You’re missing however that Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert and even Ryan Fitzpatrick were all pretty good even tho they had trash OLs. Spend some of our $90+million on an OL upgrade and we take a good QB prospect at 2. We end up a better team than if we draft Sewell. 

You're missing that Joe burrows knee exploded by week 9 

Upgrades the ol through free agency are often fools gold. No one good makes it to free agency