Todd McShays latest mock is out, Fields to New England!

[addage]

McShay is doing his bit to help JD.

Linking Sewell to Jets at #2 puts pressure on Miami to swap picks with the Jets at considerable cost in draft picks.

That leaves JD in a position to take a QB if that's what he believes is right.  Or he can still trade down if the market for QB's is hot.

I think he is more interested in trading down but have no real idea.

[fullblast]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

what a waste of draft resources to use 2 consecutive top 10 picks on tackles with so many other glaring needs including qb.

2008 - Jake Long over Matt Ryan. Sometimes teams just get too cute.

[FTL Jet Fan]

21 hours ago, addage said:

McShay is doing his bit to help JD.

Linking Sewell to Jets at #2 puts pressure on Miami to swap picks with the Jets at considerable cost in draft picks.

That leaves JD in a position to take a QB if that's what he believes is right.  Or he can still trade down if the market for QB's is hot.

I think he is more interested in trading down but have no real idea.

Why would we swap picks with a division rival, what if they take Fields? Why in the world would we help a 10-6 division rival improve their roster?

[riggy001]

Awful job on this mock, zero, and i mean ZERO chance, Fields go outside top 5

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

this is one of the worst mocks i've ever seen.  he has fields making it past the jets, falcons, panthers, broncos, 49ers and lions.    

Maybe Todd mcshay knows something about fields value that we don't 

[FidelioJet]

We're taking a QB at 2.

There is no real way around that.

Which one is the question.

[Alka]

7 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Why would we swap picks with a division rival, what if they take Fields? Why in the world would we help a 10-6 division rival improve there roster?

The reason you would do that is if you have at least 2 players that you definitely want at #2.. If the Jets love both Sewell and another offensive tackle, then it doesn't hurt to swap picks if we are picking up draft capital to help the Jets.  If the Jets love Sewell and no one else at that position, then you don't swap picks.  Same thing for QB.  You can't worry about helping another division rival, if in fact your are helping your own team more than you are helping another team.  it's all a part of the analysis, and how much assets you are getting in return.

[riggy001]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

Maybe Todd mcshay knows something about fields value that we don't 

And maybe is just stupid? There a reason he is part of media, and is not a gm or even in nfl personnel at all

[Gangrene]

49 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Absolutely who can forget                https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1610053-2013-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-final-7-round-predictions                                                      or  https://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php 

 ?. With hindsight, for every Aaron Rodgers who fell in the draft, there are ten other qbs who should have fallen so much more. 

[Jetty]

They do this every year and yall always react the same.

The only real mock draft is the one a week before the draft.

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, riggy001 said:

And maybe is just stupid? There a reason he is part of media, and is not a gm or even in nfl personnel at all

Todd mcshay had Josh Allen at 1 overall September before that draft. Everyone says that he was stupid. He's very well connected actually 

[bitonti]

16 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

We're taking a QB at 2.

There is no real way around that.

Which one is the question.

This is like saying we're buying toilet paper at the supermarket 

Well maybe it's out of stock. 

The draft is not about what you want. It's about taking what's on offer 

[addage]

29 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Why would we swap picks with a division rival, what if they take Fields? Why in the world would we help a 10-6 division rival improve there roster?

Presumably, you ask them.  If they don't commit to taking Sewell, you don't trade.  They're not going to lie as that would poison their relationships within the football community.

You are not helping a rival.  If you get fair value for the pick, both teams gain.  Fair value includes the fact that this is a critical need for the Phins.

[JetPotato]

2 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

So how the hell is Fields dropping to 15?  Somebody explain

He's dropping in mock drafts so people will read mock drafts.

Everyone understands this, right? Todd McShay's #1 priority when writing anything is to get clicks. Accuracy is not relevant. He'll be doing mock drafts next year too no matter how bad this year's ends up.

[addage]

20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

We're taking a QB at 2.

There is no real way around that.

Which one is the question.

Do you genuflect when you say that?

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

This is like saying we're buying toilet paper at the supermarket 

Well maybe it's out of stock. 

The draft is not about what you want. It's about taking what's on offer 

Except when you make the statement that we're taking a QB at #2 when there are two viable options.

 

[Ben Had]

48 minutes ago, addage said:

McShay is doing his bit to help JD.

Linking Sewell to Jets at #2 puts pressure on Miami to swap picks with the Jets at considerable cost in draft picks.

That leaves JD in a position to take a QB if that's what he believes is right.  Or he can still trade down if the market for QB's is hot.

I think he is more interested in trading down but have no real idea.

Miami isn't moving up for a n OT...they already have 3 rookies on the OL now...pipe dream.

[bitonti]

6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Except when you make the statement that we're taking a QB at #2 when there are two viable options.

 

According to the mcshay podcast, fields is an edge of the top 10 kind of guy 

He said on his podcast that fields will sneak into the top 10 he just didn't have a spot for him obvious 

Maybe That's not someone worth a top 3 pick if he's falling to 10 or 15 

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

3 hours ago, y2k8 said:

Is he? What's the connection?

They were teammates at University of Richmond.  Douglas was also rumored to bring McShay on to his scouting staff.

[Jet Nut]

9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

According to the mcshay podcast, fields is an edge of the top 10 kind of guy 

He said on his podcast that fields will sneak into the top 10 he just didn't have a spot for him obvious 

Maybe That's not someone worth a top 3 pick if he's falling to 10 or 15 

According to McShay.  He also admitted on ESPN this morning that some have Fields over Wilson.   

Im not really sure McShay believes this mock.  I cant really believe that the Broncos, Lions and Panthers, one of those teams dont take a QB.  

I like Fields, have no problem with Wilson being the choice but it sounds like one will be our pick

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Me in a wig waiting for the draft.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

this is one of the worst mocks i've ever seen.  he has fields making it past the jets, falcons, panthers, broncos, 49ers and lions.    

He says in the article that Fields will not last that far and that it only happened in his mock because he wasn’t factoring in trades.

[slimjasi]

Fields is not dropping to 15!

He’s a top 5 pick regardless of whether the Jets take him 

[Integrity28]

Wow, every other mock just gives them Pitts, because once upon a Gronkowski.

Fields isn’t going to drop that far. Sorry McShay, earn your clicks without contrived sub-headers.

[FTL Jet Fan]

56 minutes ago, Alka said:

The reason you would do that is if you have at least 2 players that you definitely want at #2.. If the Jets love both Sewell and another offensive tackle, then it doesn't hurt to swap picks if we are picking up draft capital to help the Jets.  If the Jets love Sewell and no one else at that position, then you don't swap picks.  Same thing for QB.  You can't worry about helping another division rival, if in fact your are helping your own team more than you are helping another team.  it's all a part of the analysis, and how much assets you are getting in return.

Respect your opinion, at this point our FO analysis hasn’t worked for the Jets, especially when it comes to QB’s. If the Fins ended up drafting QB x and he becomes a bona fide  starter in this league, that’s a problem. The FO has made the same mistakes passing on multiple QB’s. If it was the Pats at 3 would you make the trade?

[FTL Jet Fan]

46 minutes ago, addage said:

Presumably, you ask them.  If they don't commit to taking Sewell, you don't trade.  They're not going to lie as that would poison their relationships within the football community.

You are not helping a rival.  If you get fair value for the pick, both teams gain.  Fair value includes the fact that this is a critical need for the Phins.

Do you really think they will tell the NY Jets the truth? This is a strategy not trying to have a good relationship with the Fins. 

[QB1]

43 minutes ago, bitonti said:

According to the mcshay podcast, fields is an edge of the top 10 kind of guy 

He said on his podcast that fields will sneak into the top 10 he just didn't have a spot for him obvious 

Maybe That's not someone worth a top 3 pick if he's falling to 10 or 15 

Cool so like Mahomes, Watson, Allen, and Herbert.  

The biggest knock on Fields "stays on his primary too long". Yet he completes 70% of his passes, is a hesiman finalist, and puts on the greatest show in college football playoff history. I don't understand what McSchay wants- to have Fields come off his primary just for sh*ts and giggles? To push him up to 80% completion? 

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Cool so like Mahomes, Watson, Allen, and Herbert.  

The biggest knock on Fields "stays on his primary too long". Yet he completes 70% of his passes, is a hesiman finalist, and puts on the greatest show in college football playoff history. I don't understand what McSchay wants- to have Fields come off his primary just for sh*ts and giggles? To push him up to 80% completion? 

Guys like mcshay don't make the rules they just report what they hear 

What you are saying about fields might be true, he might be the next Mahomes. But the draft runs on inside information and the people making these decisions often make wrong ones 

Sewell at 2 would be taking the world class elite player and that's kind of what these guys do as a group. No one gets fired for taking Sewell at 2

Taking the 10th player at 2 takes balls and you miss on that cut they turn on you pretty quick 

JD does not want to be run out of town for reaching on a red chip player with a blue chip pick 

[Charlie Brown]

3 hours ago, nj meadowlands said:

This makes me grumpy

Try Prunes!

They work!!!  

[QB1]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Guys like mcshay don't make the rules they just report what they hear 

What you are saying about fields might be true, he might be the next Mahomes. But the draft runs on inside information and the people making these decisions often make wrong ones 

Sewell at 2 would be taking the world class elite player and that's kind of what these guys do as a group. No one gets fired for taking Sewell at 2

Taking the 10th player at 2 takes balls and you miss on that cut they turn on you pretty quick 

JD does not want to be run out of town for reaching on a red chip player with a blue chip pick 

Mcshays NfL network counterpart- Daniel Jeremiah- who ALSO is best friends with Joe Douglas- said yesterday that Sewell is his #2 tackle in the draft behind the northwestern kid. 

[bitonti]

52 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

 

I like Fields, have no problem with Wilson being the choice but it sounds like one will be our pick

Both feel too rich for the 2 pick tbh

McShay predicted Jets take Sewell at 2

Kiper just said that the Bengals at 5 would have to trade to 2 for Sewell 

Schefter says Jets want to make a BIG deal 

These 3 guys usually know people 

The Mogglez post talks about how they love Sewell and higher than most on Sam 

With Trevor at 1 a lock everyone is trying to figure out the Jets at 2

This means either jd wants Sewell or wants to create a trade down market for Sewell.

The idea he's going to pass on Sewell for fields without a trade down is not what these guys are hearing, probably from the man himself. 

Could the Jets take fields? sure. At 2 seems too rich at least if all these sources are to be believed. I also believe that the internet is very quick to write off 23 year old Sam who might be a similar prospect to these next 2 qb beyond Trevor.

 

My guess? The jets want a one and/or a bunch 2s to trade down and at least a second Rd for Sam. They are not going sell Sam for a 5th Rd pick like I saw one poster predict.

if that market doesn't happen jd is comfortable rolling with Sewell and trying to get value from the James Morgan pick or whatever else (looking for a qb at the Jamal Adams pick or top of 2 etc) 

 

 

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Mcshays NfL network counterpart- Daniel Jeremiah- who ALSO is best friends with Joe Douglas- said yesterday that Sewell is his #2 tackle in the draft behind the northwestern kid. 

Daniel Jeremiah's rankings are not a mock draft and he would be the first to say this 

Rankings are often contrary takes, mock is what's going to happen 

The number 2 tackle might be Jalen Mayfield from Michigan who opted out the same time as Sewell. The NW kid is good. Leatherwood, cosmi, the kid from byu etc

All could have decent careers, None are Sewell. 

There's probably a giant gap between Sewell and the next tackle taken at least in terms of measurable attributes 

 

[QB1]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

Daniel Jeremiah's rankings are not a mock draft and he would be the first to say this 

Rankings are often contrary takes, mock is what's going to happen 

The number 2 tackle might be Jalen Mayfield from Michigan who opted out the same time as Sewell. The NW kid is good. Leatherwood, cosmi, the kid from byu etc

All could have decent careers, None are Sewell. 

There's probably a giant gap between Sewell and the next tackle taken at least in terms of measurable attributes 

 

What? Again, according the NFL networks draft expert Sewell is the #2 ranked tackle on the board. 

[bitonti]

Just now, QB1 said:

What? Again, according the NFL networks draft expert Sewell is the #2 ranked tackle on the board. 

Where a player is ranked is not the same as a mock and as we approach the draft these tools tend to merge 

For example I could rank Zach wilson the number 5 qb and the 1000th ranked human person to get clicks that does not mean he won't be in the mock draft mid Rd 1 or higher. 

McShay and Kiper mock are predictions if Jeremiah puts the northwestern kid (who's name I'm too lazy to look up) over Sewell in his mock draft, that would be interesting. Until then it's Jeremiah saying that he doesn't like Sewell as much as everyone else. 

He will change his tune on the combine broadcast in indy, assuming he's working that crew 

[QB1]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Where a player is ranked is not the same as a mock and as we approach the draft these tools tend to merge 

For example I could rank Zach wilson the number 5 qb and the 1000th ranked human person to get clicks that does not mean he won't be in the mock draft mid Rd 1 or higher. 

McShay and Kiper mock are predictions if Jeremiah puts the northwestern kid (who's name I'm too lazy to look up) over Sewell in his mock draft, that would be interesting. Until then it's Jeremiah saying that he doesn't like Sewell as much as everyone else. 

He will change his tune on the combine broadcast in indy, assuming he's working that crew 

I don't follow at all. McShay put Wilson at #2 because he has him ranked higher than Fields