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Alex Smith is the only good example above of someone who was this hopeless-looking after starting this many games.  Tannehill? We'd be comparatively drooling over Darnold's potential going forwar

Or the second coming of DeShone Kizer.  Or Mark Sanchez.  Or Paxton Lynch.  Or Christian Ponder.  Or Jake Locker.  Or Brady Quinn.  Or Brock Osweiler.  Or Geno Smith.  Or EJ Manuel.  Or Tim Couch.  Or

Yes let’s give the last ranked QB since entering the league 25 million and hope he gets it. Sounds like a great plan for a rebuilding team 👍

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imho i just don't see darnold being able to resurrected with the jets.  he has some talent but teams have learned how to play him and he just isn't that decisive throwing the ball.  his long ball accuracy is also suspect.  if he stayed he would essentially starting over like a rookie so why not just draft a top rookie who may have better ability and will be less encumbered by baggage.  the jets didn't do him any favors but that's the way it goes.

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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Or the second coming of DeShone Kizer.  Or Mark Sanchez.  Or Paxton Lynch.  Or Christian Ponder.  Or Jake Locker.  Or Brady Quinn.  Or Brock Osweiler.  Or Geno Smith.  Or EJ Manuel.  Or Tim Couch.  Or Mitchell Trubisky.  Or Brandon Weeden.  Or Blaine Gabbert.  Or Jimmy Clausen.  Or Josh Freeman.  Or John Beck.  Or Matt Leinart.  Or J.P. Losman.  Or Kyle Boller.  Or Patrick Ramsey.  

Funny how that list is longer 🤣

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Alex Smith is the only good example above of someone who was this hopeless-looking after starting this many games. 

Tannehill? We'd be comparatively drooling over Darnold's potential going forward if his numbers mimicked Tannehill's first 3 seasons, even with his then-reputation for being a whiny/wimpy mush.

Brees was a probowler in his 3rd season starting in San Diego.

Allen took a big leap forward in year 3, but wasn't a train wreck in year 2 (30 total TDs in 15 starts, with Frank Gore getting nominally more than half the RB carries and top 3 targets of Brown-Beasley-Knox). Plus he was deemed to be a much bigger project from the get-go than Darnold. 

Could it happen? Odds are it won't; the list of QBs who didn't turn it around dwarfs any list of those who did. Plus the economics of these QBs' extension amounts, plus being in draft slot 2 right now (and unknown in the future), say you need to know sooner. We could keep him and he could turn it around here under new coaching with a better surrounding cast, but odds are highly against other improvements turning him from bad to good. The tail doesn't typically wag the dog.

Wrong, Brees had 57% comp, 11 TDs 15 INTs, 67 rating in his third year. 

Steve Young is another good example of a QB going from suck to good. 

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8 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Wrong, Brees had 57% comp, 11 TDs 15 INTs, 67 rating in his third year. 

Steve Young is another good example of a QB going from suck to good. 

No, you're wrong. That was his 2nd season starting, not his 3rd season starting. 

Young is a good example, though. And I'd throw Testaverde's name in there as well. But it's still far & away the exception rather than the rule that QBs suck on the field for 3 seasons or more and then become probowl level starters.

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No, you're wrong. That was his 2nd season starting, not his 3rd season starting. 

It was his third season in the NFL, and he came into the league with much more college experience. You're being absurd. 

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8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

My post said 3rd season as starter. Read. 

Your post invalidated the comparison because of a slight difference. It's still a very similar situation. Even if it was his third year starting you'd say his name wasn't Sam so it isn't the same. Give me a break. 

I'd expect a 3 year college senior who sat his first year in the NFL  to do better in his "second year starting" than a 20 y/o rookie in his third year starting. I'm not even going to get into the mono/covid and how that could have impacted Darnold development- I know you won't want to hear it... Nor difference between having Gase and Schotty Sr. as coaches. 

Drew Brees and Steve Young both when from absolute busts to HOF players. That is a fact. 

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1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Let’s be clear on this.  He’s owed $10mm this coming season. 

He’s still gone, but his salary this year isn’t the reason.

The Jets have to decide on the 5th year option before he plays another snap.. which is 25 million. 

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25 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Wrong, Brees had 57% comp, 11 TDs 15 INTs, 67 rating in his third year. 

Steve Young is another good example of a QB going from suck to good. 

steve young is a good example of a qb going from a suck team to a good team.

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Just now, rangerous said:

steve young is a good example of a qb going from a suck team to a good team.

Nah Steve young wasn't a ginger and he was a Mormon so it a bad comp

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31 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Or the second coming of DeShone Kizer.  Or Mark Sanchez.  Or Paxton Lynch.  Or Christian Ponder.  Or Jake Locker.  Or Brady Quinn.  Or Brock Osweiler.  Or Geno Smith.  Or EJ Manuel.  Or Tim Couch.  Or Mitchell Trubisky.  Or Brandon Weeden.  Or Blaine Gabbert.  Or Jimmy Clausen.  Or Josh Freeman.  Or John Beck.  Or Matt Leinart.  Or J.P. Losman.  Or Kyle Boller.  Or Patrick Ramsey.  

Or Justin fields. Zach Wilson. Trey Lance. Mac Jones.

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39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Or the second coming of DeShone Kizer.  Or Mark Sanchez.  Or Paxton Lynch.  Or Christian Ponder.  Or Jake Locker.  Or Brady Quinn.  Or Brock Osweiler.  Or Geno Smith.  Or EJ Manuel.  Or Tim Couch.  Or Mitchell Trubisky.  Or Brandon Weeden.  Or Blaine Gabbert.  Or Jimmy Clausen.  Or Josh Freeman.  Or John Beck.  Or Matt Leinart.  Or J.P. Losman.  Or Kyle Boller.  Or Patrick Ramsey.  

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17 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

The Jets have to decide on the 5th year option before he plays another snap.. which is 25 million. 

He's only played 3 years.

They do not have make that decision this off-season.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Alex Smith is the only good example above of someone who was this hopeless-looking after starting this many games. 

Tannehill? We'd be comparatively drooling over Darnold's potential going forward if his numbers mimicked Tannehill's first 3 seasons, even with his then-reputation for being a whiny/wimpy mush.

Brees was a probowler in his 3rd season starting in San Diego.

Allen took a big leap forward in year 3, but wasn't a train wreck in year 2 (30 total TDs in 15 starts, with Frank Gore getting nominally more than half the RB carries and top 3 targets of Brown-Beasley-Knox). Plus he was deemed to be a much bigger project from the get-go than Darnold. 

Could it happen? Odds are it won't; the list of QBs who didn't turn it around dwarfs any list of those who did. Plus the economics of these QBs' extension amounts, plus being in draft slot 2 right now (and unknown in the future), say you need to know sooner. We could keep him and he could turn it around here under new coaching with a better surrounding cast, but odds are highly against other improvements turning him from bad to good. The tail doesn't typically wag the dog.

Odds are low which is why no other team is paying a 1st or straight-up 2nd for Darnold. The trade value will be risk-adjusted.

36 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No, you're wrong. That was his 2nd season starting, not his 3rd season starting. 

Young is a good example, though. And I'd throw Testaverde's name in there as well. But it's still far & away the exception rather than the rule that QBs suck on the field for 3 seasons or more and then become probowl level starters.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index3a5c.html?p=5449

"I submit that Testaverde didn't discover some fountain of youth or manage to delay the aging process. He was just really good. And when you are really good at age 30-35, you can afford to lose a little and still be able to play in the NFL to age 40. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Testaverde had managed to end up with an offense that had a few more good players when he was entering his late 20's. My guess is that he would be practicing his Canton speech."

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6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He's only played 3 years.

They do not have make that decision this off-season.

Yes, you have to pick it up in May before their 4th year.

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1 hour ago, oatmeal said:

Yes let’s give the last ranked QB since entering the league 25 million and hope he gets it. Sounds like a great plan for a rebuilding team 👍

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36 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No, you're wrong. That was his 2nd season starting, not his 3rd season starting. 

Young is a good example, though. And I'd throw Testaverde's name in there as well. But it's still far & away the exception rather than the rule that QBs suck on the field for 3 seasons or more and then become probowl level starters.

Not when you have a HC, who doesn't do what every other coach h as done to make it easier on a young QB. Especially considering the talent level around him. At least Brees had Tomlinson and Gates to rely on. 

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This is like the lottery commission putting photos of past winners on their website to create an emotional "it could be you" vibe so people don't think critically about the probabilities involved. 

Except a lotto ticket is $2. No one is giving up big draft capital to rent him for a year.

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28 minutes ago, genot said:

Or Justin fields. Zach Wilson. Trey Lance. Mac Jones.

Odds are one of those dudes will be pretty good.

28 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Nah Steve young wasn't a ginger and he was a Mormon so it a bad comp

Casual bigotry. Nice. Never go full nico, folks.

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8 minutes ago, jgb said:

This is like the lottery commission putting photos of past winners on their website to create an emotional "it could be you" vibe so people don't think critically about the probabilities involved. 

Except a lotto ticket is $2. No one is giving up big draft capital to rent him for a year.

C'mon man.  Project QB's on 1-year deals are all the rage!

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

C'mon man.  Project QB's on 1-year deals are all the rage!

Can't even imagine him starting anywhere next year. So trade big capital to what -- get a good look at him in practice before deciding whether to extend him?

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25 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He's only played 3 years.

They do not have make that decision this off-season.

This is incorrect. They exercise the option by May 3rd in the fourth league year, at which point (for 2018 draft picks) the fifth year is fully guaranteed.

For Sam that's the average of the top ten QBs in the NFL and we make the decision by May 2021.

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Alex Smith is an incredible story and a serviceable hold the fort guy, but he is still a bust. No one drafts a QB at 1OA passing up Aaron Rodgers for a game manager and walks away happy. Holding up Alex Smith as a maybe Darnold can be that, should be indictment enough that he's not worth the long term investment.

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