Grade the Potential Hire - Marvin Lewis

[section314]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

How many playoff wins does Daboll have?

Right now, zero. In three weeks, three.?

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, riggy001 said:

I would not pick him, but remember in Cincy, he was given zero $$$ to sign free agents etc. i think he can draw good coordinators...

Pretty much my thinking too.  I could see why you would take a shot with him, if youre looking for a HC with NFL experience and who is a CEO type, there arent a whole lot to choose from.  I would roll the dice with one of the two college guys first or a longer term football guy type like a Martindale from a winning team

[Paradis]

If Marvin were to be hired, I would like to entertain the notion that he's there to get us through the storm. Get this franchise on its feet, Stability and structure... then, pass the baton in 2-3 years to his OC/DC... which is more than we deserve frankly. 

The majority here are chasing OCs because of their playcalling.,... only so they can not call plays here. smh.

[Dunnie]

Why would you hire a failed HC ???? I just dont get it.

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app

[BigRy56]

It wouldn't be the worst hire in the world but I also don't think we're going to be talking Superbowl with Marvin Lewis at the helm

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If Marvin were to be hired, I would like to entertain the notion that he's there to get us through the storm. Get this franchise on its feet, Stability and structure... then, pass the baton in 2-3 years to his OC/DC... which is more than we deserve frankly. 

The majority here are chasing OCs because of their playcalling.,... only so they can not call plays here. smh.

That's a great point. If Bienemy comes, does he bring the QB coach to be OC?

[bd71]

Marvin Lewis as HC, CEO type and Aaron Glenn as DC wouldn't be bad.  Find a good OC to go along with them.

[section314]

3 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

It wouldn't be the worst hire in the world but I also don't think we're going to be talking Superbowl with Marvin Lewis at the helm

We'd be talking losing home playoff games to the Bills and Dolphins, though.?

[LSJF]

Maybe as assistant on the staff… 

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, section314 said:

Right now, zero. In three weeks, three.?

So, to be clear.

If the Bills lose their first playoff game - Daboll will cease to be a good candidate?

[section314]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

So, to be clear.

If the Bills lose their first playoff game - Daboll will cease to be a good candidate?

Not at all...just answering the question posed.?

[CTM]

The 0-7 playoff record is scary but he's a decent coach. There was a time with Reid had the can't win  in the playoffs tag too

[Dunnie]

Marvin Lewis as HC, CEO type and Aaron Glenn as DC wouldn't be bad.  Find a good OC to go along with them.

Seems bargain basement. But I do love Glen and am intrigued by him.

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app

[Skeet Ulrich]

49 minutes ago, section314 said:

Right now, zero. In three weeks, three.?

If that's the case - it's only right to give Lewis credit for his SB run with the Ravens then right? If we're counting coordinator experience and all...

[Sperm Edwards]

26 minutes ago, CTM said:

The 0-7 playoff record is scary but he's a decent coach. There was a time with Reid had the can't win  in the playoffs tag too

People really forgot this fast about Reid. Absent Mahomes I wonder if he'd still be carrying that reputation. Probably yes.

Anyway I was thinking how I'd grade it and was thinking C+ only to look up there and see that's the grade that got more than any others.

Good coach, and will probably help get things straightened out of such a rut, but the biggest "Champs" title we could get is division champs. Way better than we've had for years, but ultimately anticlimactic. 

Like an impotent guy exited about his first hardon in years while secretly knowing he's going to suffer blueballs very shortly thereafter.

Actually it's probably just like that, lol.

[Church01]

Marvin Lewis would be a terrible hire and it would not surprise me if he gets the job. We have proven we are not good at picking head coaches. Hopefully we learned something and pass on ole Marv.

[Jet Nut]

57 minutes ago, section314 said:

That's a great point. If Bienemy comes, does he bring the QB coach to be OC?

Thats what you find out in the interview.  

We wont know

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

Marvin Lewis would be better as a warden at Sing-Sing .

Cincinnati Bengals

Number of arrests: 44 (since 2000)

The Bengals currently employ Adam Jones, who has the most arrests of any NFL player since 2000 (10) and was even arrested earlier this year for poking a security guard in the eye. They also employed the player with the third most arrests since 2000, Chris Henry (6), who passed away in 2009. Overall, the Bengals have had nine assaults, nine DUIs and six domestic violence cases over the past 17 years.

[Spoot-Face]

[Jet_Engine1]

3 hours ago, peebag said:

Who would be better?

Someone who didn't bring Hue Jackson with him.

[Dunnie]

If you want see what a conservative handcuffed qb looked like ... this hire is perfect. l

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app

[Lurker89]

Unexciting C

[Jet Nut]

5 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

A very competent guy, successful HC experience in the NFL - proven he can get to the playoffs, in a very tough division.

I'm sure he's learned.  Get better QB play and he can start winning some of those playoff games.

The more I think about it - this would be one of the better hires we can find.

By 48 he was the HC of a team in Cincy that won 11 games 

Not bad in year 3 with that organization.  

People keep saying hes been out of coaching but he last coached in 2018, this isnt Cowher.  

Again, not my first choice but if hes their choice, I'd get what they like about him

[Bleedin Green]

50 minutes ago, CTM said:

The 0-7 playoff record is scary but he's a decent coach. There was a time with Reid had the can't win  in the playoffs tag too

No, he didn't.  Reid had a tag of inability to win the NFC Championship, and then later a ring, which is a fairly substantial difference to inability to win a single playoff game.

Quite literally, in his very first playoff game, in his second season as a head coach, Reid got more postseason wins than Lewis did over the course of 16 years.  Not even close to comparable.

[Seibelt]

13 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

If you want see what a conservative handcuffed qb looked like ... this hire is perfect. l

Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app
 

For the moment, hearing the fact that he made it to 7 Playoff games makes me feel kinda Giddy inside.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

If Marvin were to be hired, I would like to entertain the notion that he's there to get us through the storm. Get this franchise on its feet, Stability and structure... then, pass the baton in 2-3 years to his OC/DC... which is more than we deserve frankly. 

The majority here are chasing OCs because of their playcalling.,... only so they can not call plays here. smh.

Where did this "This guy is a great stabilizer' come from?  His teams were beset by character problems almost all through his tenure.

Also if the strategy is to hire a guy to be fired or have him step down in a few years no thanks.

I refuse to believe there will not be a better candidate there for us.

[Skeet Ulrich]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Where did this "This guy is a great stabilizer' come from?  His teams were beset by character problems almost all through his tenure.

 

Look at the Bengals record the decade before he was there, then look at his tenure, then look at what happened after he left.

 

 

 

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Usually goes that way in the playoffs when your team isnt as good as the opposition and youre mostly playing on the road in WC games.

Record-setting levels of incompetence in the postseason is pretty hard to make excuses for.

I mean, let's just keep it real simple, how about when they played the 2009 Jets?  To start, that match-up was entirely the Bengals own doing, as the Jets were only in the playoffs by sneaking in with a 9-7 record when they kicked the living crap out of the Bengals in week 17.  The teams then flew out to Cincy for a rematch where the Jets slapped them around for the second time just 6 days later.  That's a 9-7 team on the road with a rookie QB.

It's also worth noting they regularly lost to other teams who have historically been pretty awful in the playoffs themselves.  The Colts, Chargers, Texans (twice, against the immortal talents of Matt Schaub and TJ Yates), and of course the Jets, are not exactly known for their own postseason prowess.  So basically, beyond 2 games vs the Steelers, it was hardly the most insurmountable of playoff opponents.

Lewis was not a bad overall coach, particularly when you compare him to the sh*tstorm the Jets have dealt with the past 2 years, but he's still a proven disastrous failure in high-pressure situations.  16 years is more than a big enough sample size to show that quite clearly.

[Bleedin Green]

4 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

Look at the Bengals record the decade before he was there, then look at his tenure, then look at what happened after he left.

After he left?  The Bengals downfall began while he was still there, and that's what got him fired.  His tenure ended with 3 consecutive losing seasons.  He had been there 16 years, so you can hardly point fingers at history for a team that was entirely his at that point.

[Skeet Ulrich]

1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

After he left?  The Bengals downfall began while he was still there, and that's what got him fired.  His tenure ended with 3 consecutive losing seasons.  He had been there 16 years, so you can hardly point fingers at history for a team that was entirely his at that point.

Big difference between 7-9 and 2-14.

They were an embarrassment before he was there and are an embarrassment again after he left.

 

[Paradis]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Where did this "This guy is a great stabilizer' come from?  His teams were beset by character problems almost all through his tenure.

Also if the strategy is to hire a guy to be fired or have him step down in a few years no thanks.

I refuse to believe there will not be a better candidate there for us.

Ricky Ray’s era with Jets suggests you don’t remember the Bungals of decades past. he certainly brought structure to the team and was leading a very strong campaign with Carson, and managed to get more mileage out of Andy than what is in hindsight, was probable  

look I’m not saying he’s the bees knees. I do appreciate that he is a genuine head coach, with a lot of clout around the league. He could wind up putting together a really strong staff. That said I think there’s a couple other candidates I would really look to stretch first. I am nervous About just inserting another coordinator who’s been popularized because of their playcalling.... something that would be way down the list for me on qualifications. I could give a crap about Daboll’s playcalling. Look at Bowles. Back in the DC saddle and turning heads. Completely ineffective leader tho. I want somebody who’s going to run this program

 

[GreenFish]

This would be a very safe C+/B hire. I put C+ but if he hires a creative OC, I’d say B.

[sourceworx]

2 hours ago, Paradis said:

If Marvin were to be hired, I would like to entertain the notion that he's there to get us through the storm. Get this franchise on its feet, Stability and structure... then, pass the baton in 2-3 years to his OC/DC... which is more than we deserve frankly. 

The majority here are chasing OCs because of their playcalling.,... only so they can not call plays here. smh.

LOL so true. Like how we should discount Eric Bieniemy because he doesn't call plays in KC. We aren't looking to hire him to call plays.

[sourceworx]

1 hour ago, CTM said:

The 0-7 playoff record is scary but he's a decent coach. There was a time with Reid had the can't win  in the playoffs tag too

Yep. Great point. Before last year, Andy Reid was the second coming of Marty Schottenheimer.

[sourceworx]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I would be quite happy with this hire.  A known quantity that will carry weight with other coaches and players

A very competent guy, successful HC experience in the NFL - proven he can get to the playoffs, in a very tough division.

I'm sure he's learned.  Get better QB play and he can start winning some of those playoff games.

The more I think about it - this would be one of the better hires we can find.

Agree. I'd still take Harbaugh over him, but Lewis would be my second choice.