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28 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

This is great stuff.  Wondering how saleh would view an offensive scheme, and whether that would favor darnold or wilson who i think is well suited for a quick tempo offense like the 49ers have.

Absolutely would be expected to bring one of Mike LaFleur or Mike McDaniel with him. I'm not sure if the 49ers can block such a move anymore, and even if they could, 49ers aren't going to block both... they'll do Saleh a solid and grant one leaving, especially considering they're collecting future draft picks for Saleh. That would mean the Shanahan-style WCO. 

Mike McDaniel is the preferred hire because he's been the brains behind a lot of the exotic schematics/concepts in SF, specifically their running scheme, but he's a "QB guru" himself. I know Douglas loves Press Taylor, but he's not going to force him onto the staff. Rich Scangarello is a name to monitor as QB coach/passing game coordinator if Saleh is hired. Will Harriger could be in line to be the RB coach or assistant QBs. 

As far as whether it improves Darnold's chances of returning... without any knowledge I would say it keeps them at the 60/40 likelihood. I think his best professional scheme in the short-term is a Shanahan-style WCO. 

40 minutes ago, KRL said:

Any chance Dennard Wilson or Brant Boyer are retained on the new staff.
From my observations of them they're good coaches

I think their at the end of the line. Good coaches, but likely headed in different directions. I think almost all coaches will be freed from their contracts with exception to a few offensive/defensive assistants. 

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Latest I've heard is that a person of interest thinks 49ers DC Robert Saleh will land the job. They cautioned that they haven't been told anything and that the primary decision makers have been pretty

Sounds like he impressed at the very least, but I'm not sure how he fits what the Jets are ultimately looking for. Maybe he can, and maybe he's showing that more in interviews, but from what we know h

Who tf cares? He’s giving us info that gives us something to talk about. No different then someone posting a dumb LaConfora tweet.  If you don’t believe it, move on. 

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DeMeco Ryans has been mentioned as a successor to Robert Saleh as DC in SF if Saleh were to leave, but wonder if he'd join Saleh as his DC instead. Saleh coached him with the Texans from 2006-2010 speaks highly of him, suggesting he'd be a HC one day. 

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6 minutes ago, football guy said:

DeMeco Ryans has been mentioned as a successor to Robert Saleh as DC in SF if Saleh were to leave, but wonder if he'd join Saleh as his DC instead. Saleh coached him with the Texans from 2006-2010 speaks highly of him, suggesting he'd be a HC one day. 

Hey thank you for the inside info you have been giving.  As for taking staff with you from the team you are leaving...is there a cutoff in the number of people you poach before it’s seen as being scumbagish?  Just wondering.

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10 minutes ago, football guy said:

DeMeco Ryans has been mentioned as a successor to Robert Saleh as DC in SF if Saleh were to leave, but wonder if he'd join Saleh as his DC instead. Saleh coached him with the Texans from 2006-2010 speaks highly of him, suggesting he'd be a HC one day. 

I’d be good with that as long as Saleh is heavily apart of the game planning every week and has the ability to call plays when he deems it necessary. 
 

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12 minutes ago, TokyoJetsFan said:

Hey thank you for the inside info you have been giving.  As for taking staff with you from the team you are leaving...is there a cutoff in the number of people you poach before it’s seen as being scumbagish?  Just wondering.

Not that I know of. There's only so many staff roles and usually guys won't want to leave unless they're on a bad team/risk of being fired or getting promoted. A team can block any lateral move... they can't block a promotion, hence why you typically see guys who go from being position coach to coordinator, assistant to position coach, etc. 

Again I want to caution that this isn't a done deal, but if Saleh were to sign, I'd expect 3-5 coaches would come with him from SF. You'd also see 1-2 from the Eagles, 1-2 from Jacksonville, maybe a few from Atlanta, Green Bay, Houston, Buffalo, New Orleans, and possibly the college ranks.

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I like saleh and daboll either of them are a home run imo. The important thing from there is that they bring in coordinators who they trust to make good calls enough of hiring friends who are just a face collecting free money let's get coordinators who earn their money.

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Not that I know of. There's only so many staff roles and usually guys won't want to leave unless they're on a bad team/risk of being fired or getting promoted. A team can block any lateral move... they can't block a promotion, hence why you typically see guys who go from being position coach to coordinator, assistant to position coach, etc. 
Again I want to caution that this isn't a done deal, but if Saleh were to sign, I'd expect 3-5 coaches would come with him from SF. You'd also see 1-2 from the Eagles, 1-2 from Jacksonville, maybe a few from Atlanta, Green Bay, Houston, Buffalo, New Orleans, and possibly the college ranks.

Thanks for all the info, greatly appreciated. Do you think they wrap up Saleh this morning or does he leave with no contract? Thank you once again.


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On 1/11/2021 at 9:14 AM, oatmeal said:

***BREAKING***
 

**My sources tell me**
 

1. They actually like everyone that they interviewed 

2. Joe Douglas isn’t favoring any coach that wants to keep Darnold because of his contract situation and poor play (Joe will never admit this to anyone because he has to give the impression he’s doing what’s best for the team and not what’s most beneficial to his future) 
 

3. This coaching search could linger out because the team announced they will be “casting a wide net”

4. more surprising interviews will pop in the coming days 

**this is Just my sources opinions on what they hear is going on, everything posted is subject to change***

 

My sources I can reveal them if anyone needs to know 

Jesus you really are a jackass . I feel bad your life is so miserable that you need to constantly bitch and moan throughout this entire thread. How many times does someone need to tell you they don't care if you don't believe them or not? Stop reading. Leave it alone, stfu and let other people that do care have a discussing without your whining. 

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On 1/10/2021 at 5:53 PM, football guy said:

Latest I've heard is that a person of interest thinks 49ers DC Robert Saleh will land the job. They cautioned that they haven't been told anything and that the primary decision makers have been pretty secretive, but this was this individual's hunch. There will be follow up meetings and the team is pushing the league to allow for in-person visits, even if the Jets have to go to them. Word is expected from the league within the next 24-48 hours. 

I've been told by someone else to not rule out Brandon Staley. The playoff performance merely improves the media narrative, but the Jets were impressed by all the endorsements he's gotten from those who have worked with him.

Still have interviews scheduled tomorrow and could add a few from the Baltimore tree. Also keep an eye on Press Taylor... if he's fired, Douglas will try to get him on the staff (he won't force it, but I know they're close and he thinks really highly of his football acumen and ability to coach). 

Sounds like you nailed it.  Thanks for the inside info. This kind of stuff is why I stop here before perusing the local news rags

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4 minutes ago, football guy said:

The initial plan was to revisit with 3-4 finalists, but I'm not sure how dedicated they were to that. I think the the Eagles firing Pederson changed things. On one hand, a coach whom Douglas has a strong relationship with joins the pool of candidates. On the other hand, there's another team in the mix who can pouch one of your top candidates. 

If Saleh is the top candidate, they will wrap it up after this morning's meeting. 

I hope they get joe brady in the building

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3 minutes ago, football guy said:

The initial plan was to revisit with 3-4 finalists, but I'm not sure how dedicated they were to that. I think the the Eagles firing Pederson changed things. On one hand, a coach whom Douglas has a strong relationship with joins the pool of candidates. On the other hand, there's another team in the mix who can pouch one of your top candidates. 

If Saleh is the top candidate, they will wrap it up after this morning's meeting. 

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. 

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36 minutes ago, football guy said:

Sounds like he impressed at the very least, but I'm not sure how he fits what the Jets are ultimately looking for. Maybe he can, and maybe he's showing that more in interviews, but from what we know he's not the style of coach the Jets intended on hiring. 

 

The Jets have a blueprint in mind for what they want the HC to be. The name who has been mentioned a few times is Sean McDermott. Douglas hasn't worked with him, but I think he admires what the Bills have done from afar. He's been your quintessential "CEO"-style head coach. He has his expertise, but he's focused on coaching the entire team on all 3 phases not just the defense. He's been a macro-manager, but is willing to micro-manage when necessary; he only has stepped in to call plays when he felt the team needed a spark. He's involved with game-planning and the big picture, and on game-day is focused on making the critical decisions, coaching the players in-game, and ultimately being their cheerleader. 

Aside from being bald and in their 40s, McDermott and Saleh are kind of similar in their approach, their demeanor, their energy, and emphasis on coaching and culture. Not outspoken, but definitely have alpha personalities. Detail oriented but empathetic. 

A lot of times with these coaching changes, the team zig-zags away from what the old coach represented and what the new coach represents. Gase epitomizes an X's and O's coach. The guy is smart, and anyone who says he's not is just being nearsighted. Despite his intelligence, he has been unable to sustain success as a HC. Why? Gase's number one criticism was not that he's such a bad guy (despite how he's depicted) or that players don't like him, it's that he lacks empathy for his fellow coaches and players. He's stubborn, and was so committed to scheme that he's ignorant to what others have to say or what others perspectives are. When you have a coach who is perceived to be ignorant, you can't establish an identity and culture that all embrace... those things need everyone to buy-in for them to be effective. 

Unlike Gase and like McDermott, Saleh sees the game as more than just Xs and Os. Their approach to team-building is all about building chemistry... emphasis on building personal relationships with the men behind the helmet, fostering vulnerable bond between coaches and players alike, and playing for each other. Once you can accomplish that, the Xs and Os and schemes will fall into place (primarily driven by the coordinators). It's not far off from what John Harbaugh is like as well, whom Douglas is plenty acquainted with. 

Great post, definitely something you like to hear.

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Kind of exciting. I never expected the Jets to be the first team to hire a coach. Hopefully we wrap things up and start getting coordinators hired. Then the big QB debate will take place.

Does show that JD was well prepared for the process.

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47 minutes ago, football guy said:

Sounds like he impressed at the very least, but I'm not sure how he fits what the Jets are ultimately looking for. Maybe he can, and maybe he's showing that more in interviews, but from what we know he's not the style of coach the Jets intended on hiring. 

 

The Jets have a blueprint in mind for what they want the HC to be. The name who has been mentioned a few times is Sean McDermott. Douglas hasn't worked with him, but I think he admires what the Bills have done from afar. He's been your quintessential "CEO"-style head coach. He has his expertise, but he's focused on coaching the entire team on all 3 phases not just the defense. He's been a macro-manager, but is willing to micro-manage when necessary; he only has stepped in to call plays when he felt the team needed a spark. He's involved with game-planning and the big picture, and on game-day is focused on making the critical decisions, coaching the players in-game, and ultimately being their cheerleader. 

Aside from being bald and in their 40s, McDermott and Saleh are kind of similar in their approach, their demeanor, their energy, and emphasis on coaching and culture. Not outspoken, but definitely have alpha personalities. Detail oriented but empathetic. 

A lot of times with these coaching changes, the team zig-zags away from what the old coach represented and what the new coach represents. Gase epitomizes an X's and O's coach. The guy is smart, and anyone who says he's not is just being nearsighted. Despite his intelligence, he has been unable to sustain success as a HC. Why? Gase's number one criticism was not that he's such a bad guy (despite how he's depicted) or that players don't like him, it's that he lacks empathy for his fellow coaches and players. He's stubborn, and was so committed to scheme that he's ignorant to what others have to say or what others perspectives are. When you have a coach who is perceived to be ignorant, you can't establish an identity and culture that all embrace... those things need everyone to buy-in for them to be effective. 

Unlike Gase and like McDermott, Saleh sees the game as more than just Xs and Os. Their approach to team-building is all about building chemistry... emphasis on building personal relationships with the men behind the helmet, fostering vulnerable bond between coaches and players alike, and playing for each other. Once you can accomplish that, the Xs and Os and schemes will fall into place (primarily driven by the coordinators). It's not far off from what John Harbaugh is like as well, whom Douglas is plenty acquainted with. 

Great post, thanks so much for your information.

Question. I have heard that some NFL insiders see Saleh as the "slick, political" candidate who knows all the right answers in interviews but lacks the actual on field accomplishments of other candidates. When compared to a Doug Pederson (Super Bowl winner), Wink Martindale (Top ranked defense in many categories over the last few  years) or even Brandon Staley(#1 defense his first year as coordinator) he has really never delivered those type of results for his team while utilizing very "vanilla" schemes.  Do you have any concerns or feedback regarding this perception of him? Thanks agin for sharing your insights.

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2 hours ago, football guy said:

Not that I know of. There's only so many staff roles and usually guys won't want to leave unless they're on a bad team/risk of being fired or getting promoted. A team can block any lateral move... they can't block a promotion

They can block a promotion to coordinator if it doesn't come with playcalling. The story was that Reid was going to do that with the Eagles or anybody else who tried to come for Kafka.

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15 minutes ago, Mackman55 said:

Great post, thanks so much for your information.

Question. I have heard that some NFL insiders see Saleh as the "slick, political" candidate who knows all the right answers in interviews but lacks the actual on field accomplishments of other candidates. When compared to a Doug Pederson (Super Bowl winner), Wink Martindale (Top ranked defense in many categories over the last few  years) or even Brandon Staley(#1 defense his first year as coordinator) he has really never delivered those type of results for his team while utilizing very "vanilla" schemes.  Do you have any concerns or feedback regarding this perception of him? Thanks agin for sharing your insights.

I’ve heard the opposite about Saleh as a “politician”. He’s a football guy through and through. 

I do agree that his schemes are a little vanilla; he’s not an exotic defensive brainchild like Rex was... I don’t think the recent defensive performance is an accurate depiction of what Jets fans should expect in NY if he’s hired. That said, he’s a very intelligent coach with strong communication skills and a displayed ability to get the most out of his players. Whoever is hired as Defensive Coordinator will be as important as who is hired as Offensive Coordinator... it’ll be their operation with the assistance of Saleh.

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6 minutes ago, football guy said:

I’ve heard the opposite about Saleh as a “politician”. He’s a football guy through and through. 

I do agree that his schemes are a little vanilla; he’s not an exotic defensive brainchild like Rex was... I don’t think the recent defensive performance is an accurate depiction of what Jets fans should expect in NY if he’s hired. That said, he’s a very intelligent coach with strong communication skills and a displayed ability to get the most out of his players. Whoever is hired as Defensive Coordinator will be as important as who is hired as Offensive Coordinator... it’ll be their operation with the assistance of Saleh.

Great! I'm really excited about him becoming our coach, thanks again.

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8 minutes ago, football guy said:

I’ve heard the opposite about Saleh as a “politician”. He’s a football guy through and through. 

I do agree that his schemes are a little vanilla; he’s not an exotic defensive brainchild like Rex was... I don’t think the recent defensive performance is an accurate depiction of what Jets fans should expect in NY if he’s hired. That said, he’s a very intelligent coach with strong communication skills and a displayed ability to get the most out of his players. Whoever is hired as Defensive Coordinator will be as important as who is hired as Offensive Coordinator... it’ll be their operation with the assistance of Saleh.

Nailed it... We don't need him to be the best X & O's guy, he need to lead the team as a whole.

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47 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Kind of exciting. I never expected the Jets to be the first team to hire a coach. Hopefully we wrap things up and start getting coordinators hired. Then the big QB debate will take place.

Does show that JD was well prepared for the process.

I believe the QB debate is happening in each interview. I also believe that JD has his thoughts and wants other opinions. The following scenarios are not based on order of importance.

Scenario 1 = Keep Darnold, then in the draft take Sewell, and let him and Becton fight it out for LT. Whoever wins gets the job. The second piece of the draft should be getting our Mangold, Mawae, etc... I also expect in FA a #1 WR, and OG. This way we can use the draft for another OG as well. The draft should also be able to produce a good CB, and another WR.

Scenario 2 = Move on from Darnold, Either you're taking your choice of QB, or thinking that you can move down if Fields is not that choice and maybe get Wilson, or someone else that is targeted later, while picking up a few more draft picks. I go the same route in FA, and then use the draft to get additional pieces we need.

I tend to like the BPA philosophy because you usually get better players that way, so FA is key this offseason.

Lastly, I'm not advocating for Scenario 1 or 2, I personally , like scenario 1 better, not that I'm still on the Darnold bandwagon. I think I've fallen off that like most of the rest of us. 

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1 hour ago, football guy said:

Sounds like he impressed at the very least, but I'm not sure how he fits what the Jets are ultimately looking for. Maybe he can, and maybe he's showing that more in interviews, but from what we know he's not the style of coach the Jets intended on hiring. 

 

The Jets have a blueprint in mind for what they want the HC to be. The name who has been mentioned a few times is Sean McDermott. Douglas hasn't worked with him, but I think he admires what the Bills have done from afar. He's been your quintessential "CEO"-style head coach. He has his expertise, but he's focused on coaching the entire team on all 3 phases not just the defense. He's been a macro-manager, but is willing to micro-manage when necessary; he only has stepped in to call plays when he felt the team needed a spark. He's involved with game-planning and the big picture, and on game-day is focused on making the critical decisions, coaching the players in-game, and ultimately being their cheerleader. 

Aside from being bald and in their 40s, McDermott and Saleh are kind of similar in their approach, their demeanor, their energy, and emphasis on coaching and culture. Not outspoken, but definitely have alpha personalities. Detail oriented but empathetic. 

A lot of times with these coaching changes, the team zig-zags away from what the old coach represented and what the new coach represents. Gase epitomizes an X's and O's coach. The guy is smart, and anyone who says he's not is just being nearsighted. Despite his intelligence, he has been unable to sustain success as a HC. Why? Gase's number one criticism was not that he's such a bad guy (despite how he's depicted) or that players don't like him, it's that he lacks empathy for his fellow coaches and players. He's stubborn, and was so committed to scheme that he's ignorant to what others have to say or what others perspectives are. When you have a coach who is perceived to be ignorant, you can't establish an identity and culture that all embrace... those things need everyone to buy-in for them to be effective. 

Unlike Gase and like McDermott, Saleh sees the game as more than just Xs and Os. Their approach to team-building is all about building chemistry... emphasis on building personal relationships with the men behind the helmet, fostering vulnerable bond between coaches and players alike, and playing for each other. Once you can accomplish that, the Xs and Os and schemes will fall into place (primarily driven by the coordinators). It's not far off from what John Harbaugh is like as well, whom Douglas is plenty acquainted with. 

Great job @football guy! Thanks for all of the info you've provided

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51 minutes ago, football guy said:

I’ve heard the opposite about Saleh as a “politician”. He’s a football guy through and through. 

I do agree that his schemes are a little vanilla; he’s not an exotic defensive brainchild like Rex was... I don’t think the recent defensive performance is an accurate depiction of what Jets fans should expect in NY if he’s hired. That said, he’s a very intelligent coach with strong communication skills and a displayed ability to get the most out of his players. Whoever is hired as Defensive Coordinator will be as important as who is hired as Offensive Coordinator... it’ll be their operation with the assistance of Saleh.

i keep coming back to this one point, about the qb.  i see zach wilson as an ideal fit in a SF type wco offense.  he seems to be perfect for that.  he plays 'fast' and gets the ball out.  if saleh is hired i wonder how his offensive minds will view wilson compared to darnold, who seems to need things to unfold more for him.

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9 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

i keep coming back to this one point, about the qb.  i see zach wilson as an ideal fit in a SF type wco offense.  he seems to be perfect for that.  he plays 'fast' and gets the ball out.  if saleh is hired i wonder how his offensive minds will view wilson compared to darnold, who seems to need things to unfold more for him.

Thats the gase offense, if you tell sam to spit it out he will 

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3 hours ago, football guy said:

Sounds like he impressed at the very least, but I'm not sure how he fits what the Jets are ultimately looking for. Maybe he can, and maybe he's showing that more in interviews, but from what we know he's not the style of coach the Jets intended on hiring. 

 

The Jets have a blueprint in mind for what they want the HC to be. The name who has been mentioned a few times is Sean McDermott. Douglas hasn't worked with him, but I think he admires what the Bills have done from afar. He's been your quintessential "CEO"-style head coach. He has his expertise, but he's focused on coaching the entire team on all 3 phases not just the defense. He's been a macro-manager, but is willing to micro-manage when necessary; he only has stepped in to call plays when he felt the team needed a spark. He's involved with game-planning and the big picture, and on game-day is focused on making the critical decisions, coaching the players in-game, and ultimately being their cheerleader. 

Aside from being bald and in their 40s, McDermott and Saleh are kind of similar in their approach, their demeanor, their energy, and emphasis on coaching and culture. Not outspoken, but definitely have alpha personalities. Detail oriented but empathetic. 

A lot of times with these coaching changes, the team zig-zags away from what the old coach represented and what the new coach represents. Gase epitomizes an X's and O's coach. The guy is smart, and anyone who says he's not is just being nearsighted. Despite his intelligence, he has been unable to sustain success as a HC. Why? Gase's number one criticism was not that he's such a bad guy (despite how he's depicted) or that players don't like him, it's that he lacks empathy for his fellow coaches and players. He's stubborn, and was so committed to scheme that he's ignorant to what others have to say or what others perspectives are. When you have a coach who is perceived to be ignorant, you can't establish an identity and culture that all embrace... those things need everyone to buy-in for them to be effective. 

Unlike Gase and like McDermott, Saleh sees the game as more than just Xs and Os. Their approach to team-building is all about building chemistry... emphasis on building personal relationships with the men behind the helmet, fostering vulnerable bond between coaches and players alike, and playing for each other. Once you can accomplish that, the Xs and Os and schemes will fall into place (primarily driven by the coordinators). It's not far off from what John Harbaugh is like as well, whom Douglas is plenty acquainted with. 

Wow. Amazing stuff. Saleh has to be the guy. 

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On 1/10/2021 at 6:05 PM, heymangold said:

I’m fine with Saleh as long as he brings LaFleur or McDaniel as his OC, someone with the real knowledge of the 9ers/Shannahan offense.

Shannahan offense would be ideal for Sam Darnold.  It would transform him into a major asset.  That offense is everything Darnold needs.  Line shifts, misdirection, play action, bootleg throwbacks, formations that allow you to run or pass, actual power running with RB's and even FB's catching passes.  

If the keep Sam *THAT* the offense you need to pair him with...

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24 minutes ago, football guy said:

Sam is an ideal fit as well. That’s the dilemma. Do you stick with a 23-year-old QB with some warts but truly elite quarterbacking talent and use the value of a #2 pick to address the rest of the roster, or do you take a raw 21-year old QB with superior arm talent whose ability to transition into an NFL offense is hard to project and use the value Sam Darnold brings back in a trade to address the roster?


Here’s what I know:

  • Joe Douglas loves Sam Darnold. He took the job largely because of Sam and thinks he has what it takes to be an upper echelon QB in the NFL. He also believes he has the character, mindset, work ethic, and “amnesia” to not let bad play dwell on him long-term. 
  • Douglas believes in building through the draft starting from the lines of scrimmage outward and places unprecedented value on quantity of draft capital. 
  • Douglas has been a member of organizations who have won in spite of imperfect QB play, and 2-of-3 Super Bowl winning teams whose QB was the backup. 
  • The same member of the FO who told me Saleh told me Sam is probably coming back. They said 60-40, but said only reason 40% was to account for not knowing what the new HC would prefer. We still don’t know. 
  • The Jets top rumored finalists are Saleh and Smith... conveniently, Smith has made his name for revitalizing Tannehill while establishing a modern running offense. Saleh and his OC are from the Shanahan tree, and those coaches are known for preferring veteran QBs with specific skill sets (not necessarily first round picks) and getting the most out of RBs. Kyle Shanahan and his protégés were members of organizations who traded for Matt Schaub in Houston, they preferred 4th round pick Kirk Cousins to 1st round pick Robert Griffin in Washington (Shanahan since admitted RGIII was pressured by ownership), they preferred Brian Hoyer to 1st round pick Johnny Manziel (also an ownership decision), worked with incumbent Matt Ryan in Atlanta, and entered his first year as HC with Hoyer as starter/drafted CJ Beathard in round 3/traded for unproven veteran Jimmy Garoppolo mid-season. 

I can’t pretend to know what Saleh would prefer because Saleh is his own man. He may have different ideas about how to build a roster once given the keys. But if your asking me to make an informed judgment based on everything I know? Sam will be back and the Jets will trade down. 

 

This post alone is better than an ESPN+ membership 

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