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2 hours ago, football guy said:

I’ve heard the opposite about Saleh as a “politician”. He’s a football guy through and through. 

I do agree that his schemes are a little vanilla; he’s not an exotic defensive brainchild like Rex was... I don’t think the recent defensive performance is an accurate depiction of what Jets fans should expect in NY if he’s hired. That said, he’s a very intelligent coach with strong communication skills and a displayed ability to get the most out of his players. Whoever is hired as Defensive Coordinator will be as important as who is hired as Offensive Coordinator... it’ll be their operation with the assistance of Saleh.

My 2 cents.

The really exotic looks can lead to more mental mistakes and people running open.   Seattle's run with the Legion of Boom was not a complex defense, it was a more basic look run perfectly.  Given the number of younger players the Jets should be bringing in over the next 2 years (since their talent is kinda poor) I'd think more basic is better.

Some of the players this year even said Williams' defense was too complex, and when they slimmed it down they were able to just play and think less.

Question.   Would you think Saleh goes more 4-3 or stays 3-4?

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Latest I've heard is that a person of interest thinks 49ers DC Robert Saleh will land the job. They cautioned that they haven't been told anything and that the primary decision makers have been pretty

Sounds like he impressed at the very least, but I'm not sure how he fits what the Jets are ultimately looking for. Maybe he can, and maybe he's showing that more in interviews, but from what we know h

Who tf cares? He’s giving us info that gives us something to talk about. No different then someone posting a dumb LaConfora tweet.  If you don’t believe it, move on. 

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9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Bingo. The Seahawks were so good last year/this year because they have the personnel and the guys executed their roles perfectly (especially this year). I think good DCs can still add exotic wrinkles (the 49ers did a little this year, having CBs and FSs playing interchangeable roles to confuse QBs who would cover which 1/3 of the field, moving a S or DB to LB, etc.), but it's not a defense that features jailbreak blitzing. Last year, the 49ers only sent more than 4 on 20.9% of the downs, a rate which was 29th in the NFL. 

The coverage scheme will be a Cover 3 press, which fits the Jets personnel. Bryce Hall can be an absolute star in such alignment.

As far as the front 7, the Jets are in terrific shape up front as it pertains to the interior DL. The question becomes what they would run as their base defense: 4-3 under/over (think a 7-tech/LEO), 3-tech, 1-tech, 5-tech) or a wide-9 (think 9-tech, 3-tech, 1/5-tech, 9-tech). If you have two really fast/athletic defensive ends, you go wide-9. Jets don't right now. Chances are they will implement the "LEO" scheme that became famous in SEA/JAX, which would feature an athletic "stand up" rusher at the 7-tech, Quinnen at the 3, Fatukasi at the 1, and JFM at the 5. 

I think it'll depend mostly on the DC that is brought in but the Seattles LEO concept fits the jets pretty perfectly as the 1 and the 5 need to be excellent against the run.  Fatukasi is an excellent 1 tech for this and like you suggested Meyers woudl be a good 5, also henry anderson can play that role as well if he stays.   The would need to find someone to win 1 on 1 matchups at the 7 tech, but they'll have a ton of draft capital to add some candidates. 

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15 minutes ago, football guy said:

Bingo. The Seahawks were so good last year/this year because they have the personnel and the guys executed their roles perfectly (especially this year). I think good DCs can still add exotic wrinkles (the 49ers did a little this year, having CBs and FSs playing interchangeable roles to confuse QBs who would cover which 1/3 of the field, moving a S or DB to LB, etc.), but it's not a defense that features jailbreak blitzing. Last year, the 49ers only sent more than 4 on 20.9% of the downs, a rate which was 29th in the NFL. 

The coverage scheme will be a Cover 3 press, which fits the Jets personnel. Bryce Hall can be an absolute star in such alignment.

As far as the front 7, the Jets are in terrific shape up front as it pertains to the interior DL. The question becomes what they would run as their base defense: 4-3 under/over (think a 7-tech/LEO), 3-tech, 1-tech, 5-tech) or a wide-9 (think 9-tech, 3-tech, 1/5-tech, 9-tech). If you have two really fast/athletic defensive ends, you go wide-9. Jets don't right now. Chances are they will implement the "LEO" scheme that became famous in SEA/JAX, which would feature an athletic "stand up" rusher at the 7-tech, Quinnen at the 3, Fatukasi at the 1, and JFM at the 5. 

Granted he didn't do much his rookie yr however can Zuniga play the 7-tech? and/or Basham?

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5 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I think it'll depend mostly on the DC that is brought in but the Seattles LEO concept fits the jets pretty perfectly as the 1 and the 5 need to be excellent against the run.  Fatukasi is an excellent 1 tech for this and like you suggested Meyers woudl be a good 5, also henry anderson can play that role as well if he stays.   The would need to find someone to win 1 on 1 matchups at the 7 tech, but they'll have a ton of draft capital to add some candidates. 

Yep, this makes sense but there is no way Anderson is back next year unless he takes a huge pay cut on his $8.2 million salary. Like you said between the draft and FA the Jets should have a lot of new faces to choose from.

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1 minute ago, football guy said:

It has always been the plan to meet with more than one finalist. 3-4 was the number to expect going into the process. Joe Douglas's short-list of candidates who they requested to interview was 14 (the 10 official candidates + Matt Campbell + Pat Fitzgerald + Dan Mullen + 1 unknown). This doesn't include casual discussions or the initial list which included 30+ potential candidates. They always planned to run a thorough search. 

Again, the person who told me that they believed Saleh would the the guy also told me they expected them to interview 3-4 finalists. They didn't know if Pederson getting fired would throw that off because of Joe's ties and there being another HC vacancy, which could result in an added sense of urgency. 

If Douglas and the higher ups feel that Saleh is the clear-cut favorite, then it's extraordinarily foolish to let him speak to other teams. With that said, it's also possible Saleh wanted to speak to PHI being that he hasn't already, or he's holding out to see what Jacksonville will do... for all we know that's his top option being that he's familiar with the organization after spending 3 years there (and the whole no income tax thing + a better roster).

I don't think this means that Saleh won't happen nor do I think it definitely will. 

I think it means the Jets will bring in another 2-3 guys, unless chips start falling and both Jets & Saleh act quickly and agree on a deal. 

Thanks for a needed dose of sanity. 

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23 minutes ago, football guy said:

My best guess on the rest of the interview cycle: 

  • Arthur Smith will likely be in for a second interview.
  • Brandon Staley will be in for a second interview OR Jets will visit him (likely after game assuming he's not hesitant about relocating to NY).

What's intriguing about these guys plus Saleh? They all have ties to the Shanahan system. Smith coached under LaFleur for a year and Staley has now coached under McVay for a year. Albert Breer has mentioned that Staley would look to bring one of Mike LaFleur/Mike McDaniel if hired. Apparently that would be the case with Arthur Smith as well. 

I heard early on that Staley would be a finalist, but also that he might hesitate taking a job this year. If the Chargers offer it I think he'd have to take it; he wouldn't have to relocate and would be in a great situation with a stacked roster. The Jets are an appealing job, but relocating across the country may not be as comfortable as staying in LA for another year with an organization he loves/loves him back. 

 

I’m not sure if you remember from two years but I’m pretty sure the Jets and a 2nd interview with a few of their candidates? 

Obviously there are exceptions but it’s pretty standard to have multiple interviews with candidates. 

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21 minutes ago, football guy said:

Lol and just like that, Arthur Smith flying in tonight to have dinner with the Jets. Again, part of his staff stack included Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel as candidates for offensive coordinator. 

What is starting to worry me is that Saleh, Staley, Smith, and Raheem Morris are all pitching teams on the same 2 offensive coordinator candidates. That's not including any others who might have pitched them, nor does it include a team like the Seahawks who need an OC. Additionally, why should it be assumed that one doesn't get promoted to OC in SF and stay? I don't think all 4 of these guys get jobs this cycle (likely only 2), but there's a strong possibility that one of these HCs gets left at the altar in regards to their top 2 OC candidates... 

this would behoove the jets then to make a decision sooner rather than later I would believe, knowing that whoever is first to go has the best chance of getting the staff they want. 

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14 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

this would behoove the jets then to make a decision sooner rather than later I would believe, knowing that whoever is first to go has the best chance of getting the staff they want. 

I 100% agree. Not sure that's what the Jets will do though. 

Me, personally, the candidates I preferred for this job aren't happening (Campbell, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh). I like the idea of what the Jets want their staff structure to look like, but if you're going to hire a first-time HC to be a CEO type, the staff selections are that much more imperative. An experienced coach with a strong pedigree and reputation will lure candidates, an inexperienced one will need to compete for them. 

Unlike most fans who immediately buy-in, I won't do that... I don't think Saleh/Smith/Staley are great candidates on their own. They do have potential, and their visions have potential. If I am Joe Douglas and I think it's close, I'm making strong offers to both and trying to get one to bite. If you get Smith and you know he plans on bringing in LaFleur as his OC, get the deal done if Saleh is dragging his feet, hire LaFleur to a great coordinator contract and let them finish filling the staff. The last thing the Jets want is for this process to take too long, Meyer spurn Jacksonville which results in possibly Saleh and Smith ending up in JAX/DET. If Staley then says no thanks, you are left with your dick in your hands... I understand the mystery college candidate is out there, but I'm fairly certain that the Jets would be going outside their top 3 NFL candidates if they missed out on Saleh/Smith/Staley. Is that the end of the world? Maybe not, but you feel that much more nervous. 


The way I see it right now, each teams top 3 options (somewhat interchangeable) 

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5 minutes ago, football guy said:

I 100% agree. Not sure that's what the Jets will do though. 

Me, personally, the candidates I preferred for this job aren't happening (Campbell, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh). I like the idea of what the Jets want their staff structure to look like, but if you're going to hire a first-time HC to be a CEO type, the staff selections are that much more imperative. An experienced coach with a strong pedigree and reputation will lure candidates, an inexperienced one will need to compete for them. 

Unlike most fans who immediately buy-in, I won't do that... I don't think Saleh/Smith/Staley are great candidates on their own. They do have potential, and their visions have potential. If I am Joe Douglas and I think it's close, I'm making strong offers to both and trying to get one to bite. If you get Smith and you know he plans on bringing in LaFleur as his OC, get the deal done if Saleh is dragging his feet, hire LaFleur to a great coordinator contract and let them finish filling the staff. The last thing the Jets want is for this process to take too long, Meyer spurn Jacksonville which results in possibly Saleh and Smith ending up in JAX/DET. If Staley then says no thanks, you are left with your dick in your hands... I understand the mystery college candidate is out there, but I'm fairly certain that the Jets would be going outside their top 3 NFL candidates if they missed out on Saleh/Smith/Staley. Is that the end of the world? Maybe not, but you feel that much more nervous. 


The way I see it right now, each teams top 3 options (somewhat interchangeable) 

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Interesting no Joe Brady in that table, considering I’ve read a few times on here he supposedly aced his interview. 
 

May solidify what you’re saying about wanting a Shanahan style offence brought in, hence chasing the specific coaches.

Also, remember you post a couple of “most” and “least” likely to want to keep Darnold (remember specifically Pederson on the least likely option). I can’t recall the rest - were Saleh/Smith/Staley on there? If you don’t mind me asking of course, don’t want to put on.

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4 minutes ago, football guy said:

I 100% agree. Not sure that's what the Jets will do though. 

Me, personally, the candidates I preferred for this job aren't happening (Campbell, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh). I like the idea of what the Jets want their staff structure to look like, but if you're going to hire a first-time HC to be a CEO type, the staff selections are that much more imperative. An experienced coach with a strong pedigree and reputation will lure candidates, an inexperienced one will need to compete for them. 

Unlike most fans who immediately buy-in, I won't do that... I don't think Saleh/Smith/Staley are great candidates on their own. They do have potential, and their visions have potential. If I am Joe Douglas and I think it's close, I'm making strong offers to both and trying to get one to bite. If you get Smith and you know he plans on bringing in LaFleur as his OC, get the deal done if Saleh is dragging his feet, hire LaFleur to a great coordinator contract and let them finish filling the staff. The last thing the Jets want is for this process to take too long, Meyer spurn Jacksonville which results in possibly Saleh and Smith ending up in JAX/DET. If Staley then says no thanks, you are left with your dick in your hands... I understand the mystery college candidate is out there, but I'm fairly certain that the Jets would be going outside their top 3 NFL candidates if they missed out on Saleh/Smith/Staley. Is that the end of the world? Maybe not, but you feel that much more nervous. 


The way I see it right now, each teams top 3 options (somewhat interchangeable) 

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Completely agree with this... If its close you have to offer to both your top guys and get the ball rolling.  I have felt through out this entire process with how fast the jets have moved despite interviewing such a large amount of candidates that in Douglas' mind he was aiming to be the first team or at least one of the first 2 teams to make a hire.  I would hope by now that they have a good idea of to whether Staley is ready to accept a job here otherwise It would be smart to bypass that interview and focus on getting a deal done with Saleh or Smith.  

I do not know who the mystery college coach is, unless its Fleck who there was reported interest in, but I have no solid information on that.  I agree though that it would be out of their preferred candidate pool..

The only other option you have if youre the Jets and you bungle this situation by taking too long, is you maybe then end up moving back towards Don Martindale who by everything I had heard early on was very high on their list.  If that is the fall back option at least its a solid one. 

I see the openings almost the same way honestly, although I have heard that Bowles is gaining steam in Detroit. Dont know how accurate that is. 

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56 minutes ago, morny said:

Interesting no Joe Brady in that table, considering I’ve read a few times on here he supposedly aced his interview. 
 

May solidify what you’re saying about wanting a Shanahan style offence brought in, hence chasing the specific coaches.

Also, remember you post a couple of “most” and “least” likely to want to keep Darnold (remember specifically Pederson on the least likely option). I can’t recall the rest - were Saleh/Smith/Staley on there? If you don’t mind me asking of course, don’t want to put on.

I'm 100% certain that a Shanahan offense would be best for Darnold. It's extremely complex - which is why they usually want veterans to run it - but most of that is pre-snap. If a QB masters the offense (just as the skill position players), there's very little decision-making that goes on intra-play. Gase's is similar but different; he designs an offense that will get someone open based on how the defense defends a given play, whereas the Shanahan offense is designed to attack the defenses weakness before the play even begins. Darnold already knows the playbook (via Bates and some of Gase), so the learning curve is much less for him than it is a rookie... coupled with that scheme being best fit for his skill set and I don't think it's so far reaching to see the correlation. 

I don't know about Saleh. I know Smith and Staley really like Darnold. I know Shanahan really likes Darnold (and I'm assuming his disciples). I have heard that Bieniemy is the type who wants to start fresh at QB for every job except Houston, giving teams the vibe that he doesn't want to do the dirty work. I think Pederson may want to control the QB position totally if nothing else, but does not necessarily mean he wouldn't want Darnold. 

 

As far as Joe Brady, I think he's in the next wave of candidates. However, he does not represent what the Jets intend on hiring in a head coach. They don't care about a specialist as much as they do a "leader of men"... it's not to say Joe Brady can't be that, but at this moment he hasn't displayed that skill set. People want to compare him to McVay but he's not as charismatic, not as experienced. I'd be really shocked if they hired him. 

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6 minutes ago, football guy said:

I'm 100% certain that a Shanahan offense would be best for Darnold. It's extremely complex - which is why they usually want veterans to run it - but most of that is pre-snap. If a QB masters the offense (just as the skill position players), there's very little decision-making that goes on intra-play. Gase's is similar but different; he designs an offense that will get someone open based on how the defense defends a given play, whereas the Shanahan offense is designed to attack the defenses weakness before the play even begins. Darnold already knows the playbook (via Bates and some of Gase), so the learning curve is much less for him than it is a rookie... coupled with that scheme being best fit for his skill set and I don't think it's so far reaching to see the correlation. 

I don't know about Saleh. I know Smith and Staley really like Darnold. I know Shanahan really likes Darnold (and I'm assuming his disciples). I have heard that Bieniemy is the type who wants to start fresh at QB for every job except Houston, giving teams the vibe that he doesn't want to do the dirty work. I think Pederson may want to control the QB position totally if nothing else, but does not necessarily mean he wouldn't want Darnold. 

 

As far as Joe Brady, I think he's in the next wave of candidates. However, he does not represent what the Jets intend on hiring in a head coach. They don't care about a specialist as much as they do a "leader of men"... it's not to say Joe Brady can't be that, but at this moment he hasn't displayed that skill set. People want to compare him to McVay but he's not as charismatic, not as experienced. I'd be really shocked if they hired him. 

Where does the Aurthur smith offense fall vs shanahan? Doesn’t make sense to me to hire Smith and not want to run his offense/scheme. If everyone wants the SF coordinators why not just hire McDaniel today? Also, can’t SF just promote LaFleur or McDaniels to OC to block a hire? 

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14 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Where does the Aurthur smith offense fall vs shanahan? Doesn’t make sense to me to hire Smith and not want to run his offense/scheme. If everyone wants the SF coordinators why not just hire McDaniel today? Also, can’t SF just promote LaFleur or McDaniels to OC to block a hire? 

It’s very similar. His playbook is not far off from Matt LaFleur’s. Same principles, same verbage, but he uses more RPO and other concepts and less creative play design. 

Also, I think you answered your own question... Smith would not be hired to “run” the offense... he’d coach the entire team but would likely take on pet projects, such as spending time with the QB/gameplanning on offense

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3 minutes ago, football guy said:

It’s very similar. His playbook is not far off from Matt LaFleur’s. Same principles, same verbage, but he uses more RPO and other concepts and less creative play design. 

Also, I think you answered your own question... Smith would not be hired to “run” the offense... he’d coach the entire team but would likely take on pet projects, such as spending time with the QB/gameplanning on offense

First article that comes up when you type in “Arthur Smith Shanahan”... I haven’t read it yet but here you go 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-new-nfl-offense-49ers-titans-packers-mike-shanahan-offense

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4 minutes ago, football guy said:

First article that comes up when you type in “Arthur Smith Shanahan”... I haven’t read it yet but here you go 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-new-nfl-offense-49ers-titans-packers-mike-shanahan-offense

Thanks, any idea If lefleur vs McDaniels is the real prize? Seems like McDaniels gets most of the credit for the innovative run game in SF. 

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I absolutely love all of the Shannahan disciples that JD seems set on. 

I’m on record both at JI and JN as being a huge believer in Mike Shannahan. His offenses always featured good to great players who maxed out their potentials due to blocking schemes (OL), play designs centered around the player’s abilities (skill positions), and smart playcalling with safety valves and easy post-snap decisions (QBs).

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26 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Thanks, any idea If lefleur vs McDaniels is the real prize? Seems like McDaniels gets most of the credit for the innovative run game in SF. 

It's hard to say. The Shanahan group is like a fraternity; all of them base their offense off of the same principles which inherently help certain QBs thrive. McDaniel would promote a more versatile offensive line and exotic play designs while having a QB coach focus on building the QB up fundamentally/mechanically. LaFleur would probably be best at coaching the QB and building out the passing attack while allowing an OL coach develop the run game

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2 hours ago, football guy said:

I 100% agree. Not sure that's what the Jets will do though. 

Me, personally, the candidates I preferred for this job aren't happening (Campbell, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh). I like the idea of what the Jets want their staff structure to look like, but if you're going to hire a first-time HC to be a CEO type, the staff selections are that much more imperative. An experienced coach with a strong pedigree and reputation will lure candidates, an inexperienced one will need to compete for them. 

Unlike most fans who immediately buy-in, I won't do that... I don't think Saleh/Smith/Staley are great candidates on their own. They do have potential, and their visions have potential. If I am Joe Douglas and I think it's close, I'm making strong offers to both and trying to get one to bite. If you get Smith and you know he plans on bringing in LaFleur as his OC, get the deal done if Saleh is dragging his feet, hire LaFleur to a great coordinator contract and let them finish filling the staff. The last thing the Jets want is for this process to take too long, Meyer spurn Jacksonville which results in possibly Saleh and Smith ending up in JAX/DET. If Staley then says no thanks, you are left with your dick in your hands... I understand the mystery college candidate is out there, but I'm fairly certain that the Jets would be going outside their top 3 NFL candidates if they missed out on Saleh/Smith/Staley. Is that the end of the world? Maybe not, but you feel that much more nervous. 


The way I see it right now, each teams top 3 options (somewhat interchangeable) 

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Great information - thank you.  Any insight into why Brian Daboll isn't getting more run here, especially with the familiarity in the division, intel on the Bills, building up a flawed QB, etc.  I would hope they bring him back for round 2

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1 hour ago, football guy said:

I'm 100% certain that a Shanahan offense would be best for Darnold. It's extremely complex - which is why they usually want veterans to run it - but most of that is pre-snap. If a QB masters the offense (just as the skill position players), there's very little decision-making that goes on intra-play. Gase's is similar but different; he designs an offense that will get someone open based on how the defense defends a given play, whereas the Shanahan offense is designed to attack the defenses weakness before the play even begins. Darnold already knows the playbook (via Bates and some of Gase), so the learning curve is much less for him than it is a rookie... coupled with that scheme being best fit for his skill set and I don't think it's so far reaching to see the correlation. 

I don't know about Saleh. I know Smith and Staley really like Darnold. I know Shanahan really likes Darnold (and I'm assuming his disciples). I have heard that Bieniemy is the type who wants to start fresh at QB for every job except Houston, giving teams the vibe that he doesn't want to do the dirty work. I think Pederson may want to control the QB position totally if nothing else, but does not necessarily mean he wouldn't want Darnold. 

 

As far as Joe Brady, I think he's in the next wave of candidates. However, he does not represent what the Jets intend on hiring in a head coach. They don't care about a specialist as much as they do a "leader of men"... it's not to say Joe Brady can't be that, but at this moment he hasn't displayed that skill set. People want to compare him to McVay but he's not as charismatic, not as experienced. I'd be really shocked if they hired him. 

Damn why would you break my heart like that, my Wilson - Brady dream is becoming more and more like a dream.

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3 hours ago, football guy said:

Lol and just like that, Arthur Smith flying in tonight to have dinner with the Jets. Again, part of his staff stack included Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel as candidates for offensive coordinator. 

He’s also one of the only guys that can fly in.

I don’t think they can bring Staley in right now without in triggering some kind of quarantine situation and he’s got to be at a game this weekend. I fear the Jets will be held hostage waiting for Stanley and maybe Martindale. Everyone I have talk to thinks the Jets are higher on Staley than Smith

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1 hour ago, football guy said:

I'm 100% certain that a Shanahan offense would be best for Darnold. It's extremely complex - which is why they usually want veterans to run it - but most of that is pre-snap. If a QB masters the offense (just as the skill position players), there's very little decision-making that goes on intra-play. Gase's is similar but different; he designs an offense that will get someone open based on how the defense defends a given play, whereas the Shanahan offense is designed to attack the defenses weakness before the play even begins. Darnold already knows the playbook (via Bates and some of Gase), so the learning curve is much less for him than it is a rookie... coupled with that scheme being best fit for his skill set and I don't think it's so far reaching to see the correlation. 

I don't know about Saleh. I know Smith and Staley really like Darnold. I know Shanahan really likes Darnold (and I'm assuming his disciples). I have heard that Bieniemy is the type who wants to start fresh at QB for every job except Houston, giving teams the vibe that he doesn't want to do the dirty work. I think Pederson may want to control the QB position totally if nothing else, but does not necessarily mean he wouldn't want Darnold. 

 

As far as Joe Brady, I think he's in the next wave of candidates. However, he does not represent what the Jets intend on hiring in a head coach. They don't care about a specialist as much as they do a "leader of men"... it's not to say Joe Brady can't be that, but at this moment he hasn't displayed that skill set. People want to compare him to McVay but he's not as charismatic, not as experienced. I'd be really shocked if they hired him. 

Why would starting over at QB be a strike to bill bieniemy, when every job basically has QB questions, will be drafting a rookie, or a aging veteran. Only the Chargers and Jacksonville know for sure who QB1 is.

The only team that could feel like he doesn’t want to do the dirty work is the Jets and that would be if this coaching search was based on fixing darnold which Joe Douglas said isnt. With Darnold contract situation and league bottom stats 3 seasons in a row he’s on very short rope. If they stick with Darnold and a QB taken in the first becomes a stud Joe Douglas will be on the hot seat imo. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think it's a combination of factors. He hasn't interviewed well for 2 years in a row now, and it's mainly because he doesn't have a plan and he doesn't. Ask him to detail how he'd handle a specific adversity and he's a deer in headlights.

Is there an update on Pederson or Garrett?  Any interest in either on the Jets part?

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7 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Is there an update on Pederson or Garrett?  Any interest in either on the Jets part?

SAR I

Zip. I think Pederson will come into play if they're forced to go into their next wave. I don't think he's a top 3-4 candidate at this point, and there's some fear he could be burnt out. 

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11 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think it's a combination of factors. He hasn't interviewed well for 2 years in a row now, and it's mainly because he doesn't have a plan and he doesn't. Ask him to detail how he'd handle a specific adversity and he's a deer in headlights. Ask him to scout a player's strengths and weaknesses and how to get the most out of a player, he basically just uses hyperbole, smiles, and laughs his way through it without truly identifying anything of substance. He's a salesman who uses the buddy approach, but doesn't know the product he's selling inside and out. That's not to take away from things he does well, but he does a very poor job of articulating it. And it's not because he's not smart; he's extremely well spoken, just lacks the skills needed to be a head coach. He's a limelight personality akin to Hue Jackson without being a QB guru. 

You can't trust a guy to draft a QB if he doesn't have a plan for that QB, or any other player for that matter.

It’s hard for me to believe that when he is the OC of the leagues most explosive offense. He played a role in the development of the #1 QB in the world and is highly respected around the league. His role is diminished by some and overstated by others but regardless everyone agrees he plays a role.

 

 If he can come in with a good staff I don’t see why a team wouldn’t trust him developing a young QB.
 

And more importantly if I’m DET, ATL, NY, maybe even Houston and Philly, based on him working with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid his insights into the rookie QB class would be priceless. 

This is just my opinion though, I think some teams are making a terrible mistake 

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16 minutes ago, football guy said:

Zip. I think Pederson will come into play if they're forced to go into their next wave. I don't think he's a top 3-4 candidate at this point, and there's some fear he could be burnt out. 

Thanks.  Very much appreciate your insight. 

SAR I

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