KRL 12,362 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 This narrative needs to stop, just look at BUF and Alabama. McDermott is from the defensive side of the ball but he's a "total HC" and hired Daboll to coach/develop Allen into an MVP candidate. And Saban also was from the defensive side of the ball but they score 40+ points a game. Why? Because he also is a "total HC" and he cares about the whole team. That's what matters 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Barry McCockinner 15,322 Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, QB1 said: Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? Top 5 offenses based on PPG over the last decade. 2020 - McDermott, Vrabel 2018 - Belichick 2017 - Belichick 2016 - Quinn, Belichick 2015 - Rivera, Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll 2014 - Fox, Belichick 2013 - Fox, Belichick 2012 - Belichick, Fox 2011 - Belichick, Schwartz That's 18 times, so only about twice a year. 6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dcat 12,860 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 45 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: People want a team identity? The New York Jets have an identity. It’s sh*t offense. That’s who we are. Saleh seems like a strong candidate and I don’t care if we have a sh*t offense or not. We have had a sh*t offense forever. that's the spirit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoubleDown 7,049 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Leader. Of. Men. The next head coach needs to oversee the entire team and not focus on one side of the ball. I hope Joe Douglas understands this concept and hires the right candidate. I'm not going to judge without seeing a single game and evaluating how the operation is being run. Offensive. Defensive. I don't care. I just want someone who is going to take responsibility of the entire team, build a solid staff around him, garner respect from all players, instill a culture of discipline, and make aggressive in-game decisions. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerous 4,172 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? that is just so foolish. the bellichicken did pretty well with his offenses. so did parcells. mike tomlin too. and going back a ways, tom landry always had a good offense and shula turned marino loose. the bills have a good offense as do the sea hawks. both of those coaches are from the defense. it happens way more often that you might think or want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerous 4,172 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Top 5 offenses based on PPG over the last decade. 2020 - McDermott, Vrabel 2018 - Belichick 2017 - Belichick 2016 - Quinn, Belichick 2015 - Rivera, Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll 2014 - Fox, Belichick 2013 - Fox, Belichick 2012 - Belichick, Fox 2011 - Belichick, Schwartz That's 18 times, so only about twice a year. and let's not forget delete pete up in seattle. i'm sure the seahawks are right up there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barry McCockinner 15,322 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, rangerous said: and let's not forget delete pete up in seattle. i'm sure the seahawks are right up there. he only had a top 5 offense in 2015 over the past decade, which was the criteria the OP set forth 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dcat 12,860 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? only one choice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Warfish 29,968 Posted January 13 Popular Post Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? Thanks for your input Nico. 1 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paradis 13,085 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? I’m pretty sure many records are currently held by offenses who played under defensive coaches is like John fox and BB 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet_Engine1 12,885 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? Do you have ******* Brain Damage? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
QB1 1,798 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Do you have ******* Brain Damage? Relax boss Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nyjbuddy 771 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 58 minutes ago, DoubleDown said: Leader. Of. Men. The next head coach needs to oversee the entire team and not focus on one side of the ball. I hope Joe Douglas understands this concept and hires the right candidate. I'm not going to judge without seeing a single game and evaluating how the operation is being run. Offensive. Defensive. I don't care. I just want someone who is going to take responsibility of the entire team, build a solid staff around him, garner respect from all players, instill a culture of discipline, and make aggressive in-game decisions. Interestingly, that is how Nick Wagoner, ESPN NFL 49ers reporter, describes Saleh's biggest strength: "Leader of men. Saleh's players love him for his detailed approach, but it's his willingness to gather feedback and evolve based on what he sees that has left multiple 49ers defenders calling him the most intelligent coach they have ever had." It is not that he is a defensive guru coming in to implement his defense but that he is open to hearing possible solutions and finding the best one. A great trait to have as a "CEO-type" head coach. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsfan80 122,864 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 So not only are you laughably wrong, Nico, you further betray your true thinking: That coaching matters far more than the QB. Darnold sucks regardless of who is coaching him. Get a real QB in here and a defensive head coach is just fine. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jolot 1,955 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Maxman said: Belichick is the greatest defensive coach of all time. He's been okay with offense. We need a leader of men , a guy who commands the room and the facility. Saleh is clearly that type of guy . We can’t get caught up in chasing the next offensive genius. You can still win with a defensive culture , especially in the northeast. I would love this hire if it happens . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy2020 5,392 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? Sean McDermott - The 2020 season Quote Link to post Share on other sites
addage 441 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I’ll ask this question again. Is there any coach out there who could get better than 50% support from the fan base? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
y2k8 1,619 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 What you feel better if I told you he was coaching where offense is going? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skeet Ulrich 2,045 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: Top 5 offenses based on PPG over the last decade. 2020 - McDermott, Vrabel 2018 - Belichick 2017 - Belichick 2016 - Quinn, Belichick 2015 - Rivera, Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll 2014 - Fox, Belichick 2013 - Fox, Belichick 2012 - Belichick, Fox 2011 - Belichick, Schwartz That's 18 times, so only about twice a year. Brady, Big Ben, Russell Wilson, MVP Cam, Peyton Manning, MVP Ryan..... sounds like the Jets need to find a top tier QB(or find a 2000 yard manbeast) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdxgreen 5,013 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 He started our as a star TE at a Div 2 school. It's not like he's Rex who learned from his dad, "Three big offensive plays and blitz the hell out of them." Offensive will be a big part of the change in organizational philosophy. My guess is he knows where football already is... not where it's going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,750 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, MichaelScott said: What was wrong with your old user name again? Easier for some people to create a new identity than take their lumps for being wrong on an Internet messageboard. Snowflake is the word you are looking for 2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: The only issue with a defensive coach over an offensive coach is when they sacrifice the offense for the sake of defensive statistics. I loved Rex, but he seemed guilty of this at times. Part of that was that Sanchez was so bad and they could win with D (at least at first) but there were times when it seemed like they would sacrifice points for defensive statistics. As long as your defensive coach would rather win 38-34, than lose 9-6 it's fine. Yes x10. This is part of the problem with the Jets “fail slowly” approach. Both Rex and Bowles were left on the hot seat far too long. Can’t blame them for looking ahead to their next job interview by polishing up the CV a bit in their area of expertise. An NFL firing should be more like a guillotine than a strangling. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxman 540,045 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Jolot said: We need a leader of men , a guy who commands the room and the facility. Saleh is clearly that type of guy . We can’t get caught up in chasing the next offensive genius. You can still win with a defensive culture , especially in the northeast. I would love this hire if it happens . I was making a similar point the other day in asking why Joe Brady was getting interviews. Brady scared me, this hire I would feel much better about. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Larz 71,678 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Dline? safety at #2 baby!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the Claw 440 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I seriously cannot wait until the phrase “Leader of Men” is permanently removed from the lexicon. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oatmeal 1,139 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, the Claw said: I seriously cannot wait until the phrase “Leader of Men” is permanently removed from the lexicon. Facts the title ish is so cringe, just find a good coach Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream23 31,623 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 16 hours ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? Let me blow up your post with two facts.... 4 of the top 8 scoring offenses in the NFL have head coaches that are not guys from the offense. Seattle, Buffalo, Baltimore, Tennessee. Saleh doesn’t do the drafting. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream23 31,623 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 13 hours ago, addage said: I’ll ask this question again. Is there any coach out there who could get better than 50% support from the fan base? Only guys who are rumored to become the head coach. Once they were actually hired their support drops like a rock. We seem to want what we can’t get. Then, once we get it, we want to get rid of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rayzor 706 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Let me blow up your post with two facts.... 4 of the top 8 scoring offenses in the NFL have had coaches that are not guys from the office. Seattle, Buffalo, Baltimore, Tennessee. Saleh doesn’t do the drafting. All their OC's, besides Schotty, are Head Coach candidates though. Schotty actually made them a top 10 offense but that doesn't cut it there. Having a capable QB helps obviously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScarletKnight89 3,596 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The goal in hiring a Head Coach is to hire a Head Coach lol. It doesn't matter what side of the ball they come from. The idea that the Jets can't be good on offense because they hire a defensive coordinator to be Head Coach or vice versa is stupid. If Saleh is a good Head Coach he'll build a team the right way and it won't matter what side of the ball he came from. If he is even the guy they end up hiring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdels62 8,504 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 hours ago, Jet Nut said: This is the worst logic ever A defensive HC who planned his defenses around stopping an offense has no clue about the offensive side of the ball. Yeah, why? And then theres Weeb, Landry, Shula, Parcells, Belichick, Cowher, etc. They had shltty offenses, right? You expected more from the OP? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream23 31,623 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, rayzor said: All their OC's, besides Schotty, are Head Coach candidates though. Schotty actually made them a top 10 offense but that doesn't cut it there. That’s what happens. If the overall team is good then you look at the coordinator who is from the other side of the ball than the head coach. 49ers went to the Super Bowl last year with an offensive head coach. We’re about to hire the DC from there. Same thing with the DC in Indianapolis. That’s kind of how it works these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasy Island 3,929 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 16 hours ago, QB1 said: Cause that is what hiring a defense coach will create- I don’t care who the hire is. I like Saleh too but this is my biggest concern. Are we going back to drafting D linemen in the first? Has ANY defensive coach put out a top 5 offense in the last decade? JD likes his job. The job pays big money. Groceries cost lots of money. JD loves groceries. Drafting DL in the first takes that job away. JD likes his job. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jets Voice of Reason 22,949 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 They just have to stop drafting DL, ILB, Safety, and Corner with the first rounder every year and defensive head coach works fine. We've had some really bad GMs who don't have a defined roster building strategy and that's been the biggest issue. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitonti 43,309 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 16 hours ago, DoubleDown said: Leader. Of. Men. The next head coach needs to oversee the entire team and not focus on one side of the ball. I hope Joe Douglas understands this concept and hires the right candidate. I'm not going to judge without seeing a single game and evaluating how the operation is being run. Offensive. Defensive. I don't care. I just want someone who is going to take responsibility of the entire team, build a solid staff around him, garner respect from all players, instill a culture of discipline, and make aggressive in-game decisions. Gase was so checked out on the defense, ashtyn davis never met Dowell loggains Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitonti 43,309 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, kdels62 said: You expected more from the OP? This dude qb1 is named after the Netflix series starring Justin fields Keep that in mind every post he makes is through the lens of Jets getting Justin fields He's actually admirable how single minded in approach. Relentless Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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