Beerfish 33,491 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 QB1 has a legit concern in this regard and not because the new coach will lobby for a bunch of defensive players (like rex would have and did) but because a GM might be influenced by the history of the new head coach and feel he has to evenly build the team at the very least. Even if the offense needs the resources far more in an offensive league. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: QB1 has a legit concern in this regard and not because the new coach will lobby for a bunch of defensive players (like rex would have and did) but because a GM might be influenced by the history of the new head coach and feel he has to evenly build the team at the very least. Even if the offense needs the resources far more in an offensive league. Bold call: Jets offense will be higher ranked than defense next year if we move on from Darnold, of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CanadaSteve 5,466 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 HOLY SHEEEEEITTTE! SOJ attitude has finally reached its pinnacle. Before the guy is even hired, we are bitching about how bad the offense will be, which in turn will call for the guy to be fired....BEFORE HE HAS EVEN BEEN HIRED! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsfan80 121,109 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: QB1 has a legit concern in this regard and not because the new coach will lobby for a bunch of defensive players (like rex would have and did) but because a GM might be influenced by the history of the new head coach and feel he has to evenly build the team at the very least. Even if the offense needs the resources far more in an offensive league. The same GM that used his first 2 draft picks on a LT and a WR? That one? Yeah, this is a silly concern. Douglas was here first and is in charge of hiring the HC. For the first time, we can be reasonably confident that this is a situation where the GM picks the players he wants and the coach coaches them. Saleh will be able to provide input on his vision but ultimately it will be Douglas' picks. Saleh is a former Tight End and watched his elite defense in SF get betrayed by a poor Jimmy Garoppolo-led offense. I imagine he'll be on board with adding offensive talent. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 One could also argue that it's good to have balance between a GM and HC's backgrounds. Joe Douglas was famously a former NCAA O-lineman. Saleh has a defensive background. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 33,491 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: The same GM that used his first 2 draft picks on a LT and a WR? That one? Yeah, this is a silly concern. Douglas was here first and is in charge of hiring the HC. For the first time, we can be reasonably confident that this is a situation where the GM picks the players he wants and the coach coaches them. He used those picks when adam gase was the coach, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsfan80 121,109 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He used those picks when adam gase was the coach, And? So Saleh is going to come in here as the new guy and demand Douglas to draft defense and he's going to do it? Does Douglas strike you as a guy who lets someone else tell him what to do? He's not inept like our past GM's, who let coaches put their fingerprints all over the drafts. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxman 539,342 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, CanadaSteve said: HOLY SHEEEEEITTTE! SOJ attitude has finally reached its pinnacle. Before the guy is even hired, we are bitching about how bad the offense will be, which in turn will call for the guy to be fired....BEFORE HE HAS EVEN BEEN HIRED! I know, right. The guy played 4 years of college football and started as an offensive player. But oh my he knows nothing about offense lol. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: And? So Saleh is going to come in here as the new guy and demand Douglas to draft defense and he's going to do it? Does Douglas strike you as a guy who lets someone else tell him what to do? Wait until Chris Johnson announces that they're carefully reviewed their reporting structure, listened to a lot of feedback and have decided to make a change for the good of the organization going forward. The GM will now report to the HC. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn306 36,776 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I don't care who the coach is. Just make sure that DeVonta Smith is drafted at #2 and Etienne is drafted with Seattle's pick. Then I will be happy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Garbage offense is our comfort zone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jets723 4,499 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, shawn306 said: I don't care who the coach is. Just make sure that DeVonta Smith is drafted at #2 and Etienne is drafted with Seattle's pick. Then I will be happy I would be fine with Smith. But at 23 you need to get a OL like Davis if he is still there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 7,981 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, static14 said: If he brings in a very good OC what’s the issue? also it’s still only a rumor at this point. Nothing is official yet. The issue isn't with what coaches he brings in it's about allocation of resources. The OP is right. This team will not focus it's primary resources on defense and try and recreate the 49ers from two years ago. Which is the Rex Ryan teams from a decade ago. If you do EVERYTHING right - you make a run, come up short - and two years later are picking the top 5 again. Defense simply doesn't matter anymore. The teams that figured that out are going deep into the playoffs every year. I had hoped JD understand, so far it's pretty clear he doesn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet Nut 16,148 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 29 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: The issue isn't with what coaches he brings in it's about allocation of resources. The OP is right. This team will not focus it's primary resources on defense and try and recreate the 49ers from two years ago. Which is the Rex Ryan teams from a decade ago. If you do EVERYTHING right - you make a run, come up short - and two years later are picking the top 5 again. Defense simply doesn't matter anymore. The teams that figured that out are going deep into the playoffs every year. I had hoped JD understand, so far it's pretty clear he doesn't. Pure nonsense, you dont believe this. How did Shula develop Marino, Belichick develop Brady, Cowher Rothlesberger, Carroll Wilson..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deucebag 459 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, slimjasi said: Eh, I don't agree with this. McDermott, Tomlin, Beli, and Carroll are all defensive coaches with big offenses. They all have good QBs. We need a good QB. Look at what happened to Dungy once he had Peyton Manning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 7,981 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: The same GM that used his first 2 draft picks on a LT and a WR? That one? Yeah, this is a silly concern. Douglas was here first and is in charge of hiring the HC. For the first time, we can be reasonably confident that this is a situation where the GM picks the players he wants and the coach coaches them. Saleh will be able to provide input on his vision but ultimately it will be Douglas' picks. Saleh is a former Tight End and watched his elite defense in SF get betrayed by a poor Jimmy Garoppolo-led offense. I imagine he'll be on board with adding offensive talent. The same GM that signed a bunch of back-up Olineman to protect his struggling 3rd year QB. Who kept a 38 year old RB? He needs to be more than on board with adding offensive talent. He needs to understand that offensive talent is pretty much the only thing that matters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deucebag 459 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Pure nonsense. What you should look for in a head coach is a great inspiration leader who motivates ALL, the players, the assistant coaches and the training staff. He also must have expertise regarding both sides of the ball. This BS of a HC delegating all decisions to a coordinator doesn't float - no dotted lines! Lastly he must hire the great coordinators and great assistants who know how to develop talent - again the HC must oversee everyone and make sure everyone is doing their job. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet Nut 16,148 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, deucebag said: What you should look for in a head coach is a great inspiration leader who motivates ALL, the players, the assistant coaches and the training staff. He also must have expertise regarding both sides of the ball. This BS of a HC delegating all decisions to a coordinator doesn't float - no dotted lines! Lastly he must hire the great coordinators and great assistants who know how to develop talent - again the HC must oversee everyone and make sure everyone is doing their job. I gave him a list of HCs from the defense side of the ball who had top offenses, developed QBs and he gave a confused face to the post He is a one track, Jets will make the wrong choice, meaning anyone he cant understand why they could be a good HC. Youre hiring a HC and who he will bring in as a staff, how they will work under him. Not just a OC who had a good offense. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TJ 1,079 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, Maxman said: Belichick is the greatest defensive coach of all time. He's been okay with offense. I always noticed how much time BB spent on the sidelines with the offense. Seems like he was very involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet Nut 16,148 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: He needs to understand that offensive talent is pretty much the only thing that matters. What? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Philc1 13,549 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Ohio State QBs are known for creating instant offense in the NFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 7,981 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: What? I apologize, I thought it was really self explanatory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet Nut 16,148 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: I apologize, I thought it was really self explanatory. Well if thats the case, youre dead wrong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 7,981 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Well if thats the case, youre dead wrong I'm right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Irish Jet 236,802 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Worst poster to sign up in a long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardTodd27 377 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 out of 5 of the top NFL coaches (and longest tenured) this past decade happened to be former defensive coordinators: (Bellichek, Carrol, M. Lewis and Harbough) Only Sean Payton is an offensive guy. No problem with Saleh (especially after the Gase disaster). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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