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That’s because the “other guy in the room” was Maccagnan.  So CJ did know more than the other guy.  

Don’t fear being wrong. You took a swing based on legitimate info; and apparently it’s what is being heard around the league. Kudos to you, regardless of what happens. 

According to Ian Rapoport and Peter Schrager, Saleh arrived last night and met with some of the people from the Jets organization and is now meeting with Christopher Johnson this morning.  He wil

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So here is a hypothetical for you all.  You are the leader of a coaching search and you and your bosses have laid out the parameters before hand of how you are going to handle it that being you are going to cast a wide net and do video interviews with a 6 or 8 people.  You are then going to narrow it down to 3 finalists and have in person meetings with them and then make a final decision.  You and the search group are going to be disciplined in this approach.  You know before hand that your candidates are sought by others.

All of a sudden you get leaks that a number of other teams are very  interested in one of your top 3 guys.  If he goes for a 2nd interview you really risk losing him.

Do you stay disciplined, make sure you have in face meeting with your other two finalists or do you toss all of that out after meeting the 1st finalist and hire him in fear of losing him?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

You once posted an article written by a 13 year old.

So in addition to being a fountain of misinformation you're also an ageist?

For shame...

Incidentally he was around 20 and going to Syracuse for journalism.

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42 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Whether or not you believe Saleh is the guy, if the Jets do and allow him to leave without accepting the job - they are officially entering new depths of ineptitude.

Learn how to close motherfckers 

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

So here is a hypothetical for you all.  You are the leader of a coaching search and you and your bosses have laid out the parameters before hand of how you are going to handle it that being you are going to cast a wide net and do video interviews with a 6 or 8 people.  You are then going to narrow it down to 3 finalists and have in person meetings with them and then make a final decision.  You and the search group are going to be disciplined in this approach.  You know before hand that your candidates are sought by others.

All of a sudden you get leaks that a number of other teams are very  interested in one of your top 3 guys.  If he goes for a 2nd interview you really risk losing him.

Do you stay disciplined, make sure you have in face meeting with your other two finalists or do you toss all of that out after meeting the 1st finalist and hire him in fear of losing him?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

 

Signs are pointing to Saleh being their top choice. So I don’t let him leave the building. Forget the other second round interviews. 

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3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

So here is a hypothetical for you all.  You are the leader of a coaching search and you and your bosses have laid out the parameters before hand of how you are going to handle it that being you are going to cast a wide net and do video interviews with a 6 or 8 people.  You are then going to narrow it down to 3 finalists and have in person meetings with them and then make a final decision.  You and the search group are going to be disciplined in this approach.  You know before hand that your candidates are sought by others.

All of a sudden you get leaks that a number of other teams are very  interested in one of your top 3 guys.  If he goes for a 2nd interview you really risk losing him.

Do you stay disciplined, make sure you have in face meeting with your other two finalists or do you toss all of that out after meeting the 1st finalist and hire him in fear of losing him?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

 

If i have them all rated about the same, i take what’s in front of me. Don’t want to risk being the last one looking for a dance partner 

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8 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I am not opposed to Saleh as HC. Maybe not super excited but I could see him being successful. 

My bigger problem is it seems like we are just retreating to what is comfortable and just hiring the hot DC with a different personality than the last one. 

It's like we dipped our feet in the offensive side of coaching (with the worst possible choice) failed and then we are just giving up and going back to what's comfortable.

Hopefully Saleh is different and will want a dynamic offense but I doubt it. If he brings LaFleur or McDaniel and plans to run the Shanahan offense then Wilson is a far better fit than Fields, especially considering his experience under center.

I understand the allure of trading back and getting lots of picks, but it just seems more logical to me that you draft a QB and have the 3 most important pieces all essentially with 4 year deals to get it done, and the QB under a rookie contract. 

I am also not sure that the choice between LaFleur and McDaniel is as important as the choice of QB coach. I would prefer Kafka if there is any truth at all to those rumours.

theres no evidence that defensive or offensive minded coaches do better as HC so whats the difference>

We had an offensive minded coach last time....how did that go?

I dont see it as comfortable. I think we did our due diligence, started early, found the best guy and seem to be not letting him leave the building. remember in years past  when we had to sift through the leftovers?

 

This was all done in a VERY UNJETSY fashion and I am delighted

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6 minutes ago, Pac said:

So in addition to being a fountain of misinformation you're also an ageist?

For shame...

Incidentally he was around 20 and going to Syracuse for journalism.

But did you take him to Red Lobster????

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7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

So here is a hypothetical for you all.  You are the leader of a coaching search and you and your bosses have laid out the parameters before hand of how you are going to handle it that being you are going to cast a wide net and do video interviews with a 6 or 8 people.  You are then going to narrow it down to 3 finalists and have in person meetings with them and then make a final decision.  You and the search group are going to be disciplined in this approach.  You know before hand that your candidates are sought by others.

All of a sudden you get leaks that a number of other teams are very  interested in one of your top 3 guys.  If he goes for a 2nd interview you really risk losing him.

Do you stay disciplined, make sure you have in face meeting with your other two finalists or do you toss all of that out after meeting the 1st finalist and hire him in fear of losing him?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

 

They did the wide net part, now its time to hire someone. 

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3 hours ago, Stark said:

Don’t sweat it. Thanks for, if nothing else keeping this site on the edge of their seat and interested in what you do hear/share.  
you’re good even if  that is the plan and CJ buttfumbles this morning. 
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Looks like a man to be respected.

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3 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

Why is Kingsbury a mistake? He was a Hail Mary away from a losing record

 

2 hours ago, nycdan said:

A Hail Mary on top of the most lopsided trade in NFL history away...

 

Um, guys, you do realize the Arizona Cardinals were 3-13 the year before Kingsbury arrived, don't you?

Kyler Murray has a 46/24 TD:INT ratio since entering the league (and didn't have Hopkins his rookie year), plus 15 rushing TD's.

Kingsbury is doing just fine.

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11 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

So here is a hypothetical for you all.  You are the leader of a coaching search and you and your bosses have laid out the parameters before hand of how you are going to handle it that being you are going to cast a wide net and do video interviews with a 6 or 8 people.  You are then going to narrow it down to 3 finalists and have in person meetings with them and then make a final decision.  You and the search group are going to be disciplined in this approach.  You know before hand that your candidates are sought by others.

All of a sudden you get leaks that a number of other teams are very  interested in one of your top 3 guys.  If he goes for a 2nd interview you really risk losing him.

Do you stay disciplined, make sure you have in face meeting with your other two finalists or do you toss all of that out after meeting the 1st finalist and hire him in fear of losing him?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

 

Beggars can't be choosers. One in hand is better than two in the bush. Always cook chicken to an internal temperature of 165 degrees.

Two of those statements are cliches, but apply to this situation. The other is just best practice.

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Readily admit I would rather the Jets had signed Harbaugh or Cowher.

But readily admit; if you're going to go coordinator (again?!?). Saleh appears to be the best of the bunch. And looks like he would be bringing quality assistants. 

Every coaching hire involves a change from a players coach to a hardass, sparing what ever the hell Gase was. Like very much that  Saleh is zero BS, pants on fire, let's get going kind of guy. Not gonna get ahead of things and say he's the next this guy or that. But it looks like an uncharacteristically quality hire. I thought for sure he was a lock for Detroit. 

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11 minutes ago, PS17 said:

Signs are pointing to Saleh being their top choice. So I don’t let him leave the building. Forget the other second round interviews. 

I agree with this, however the risk for this is the same as the risk of picking a QB too high because you need a QB. 

Did the team suddenly convince itself Saleh was their #1 choice due to the risk of losing him?

If they had a 2nd interview with Brandon Staley or Joe Brady, would one of them suddenly become the #1 choice?

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10 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

theres no evidence that defensive or offensive minded coaches do better as HC so whats the difference>

We had an offensive minded coach last time....how did that go?

I dont see it as comfortable. I think we did our due diligence, started early, found the best guy and seem to be not letting him leave the building. remember in years past  when we had to sift through the leftovers?

 

This was all done in a VERY UNJETSY fashion and I am delighted

To get our top GM and coach candidate in two consecutive years would be incredible. I’m always pessimistic regarding the Jets but if the Johnsons have finally learned their lesson and are getting out of the way, things are looking up. 

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2 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

Yes I did.
Does not make Kingsbury the right decision. Gase actually did better in his first year

No, he did not.

The Cardinals went 5-10-1 against the NFL's 3rd toughest schedule that year.  In the process, Kyler Murray took home Offensive ROY honors.

The Jets, meanwhile, went 7-9 against the NFL's 28th toughest schedule.  In the process the QB's they faced that season included Dwayne Haskins, rookie season Daniel Jones (among the most turnover-prone QB seasons of all-time), Mason Rudolph, Devlin Hodges and Matt Barkley.  

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1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Hopefully Gases new HC job will have a better roster for him to work with. 

I hear the Wagner College Sea Hawks are stacked next year!  He should do well as the assistant to the assistant QB coach!

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20 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I am not opposed to Saleh as HC. Maybe not super excited but I could see him being successful. 

My bigger problem is it seems like we are just retreating to what is comfortable and just hiring the hot DC with a different personality than the last one. 

It's like we dipped our feet in the offensive side of coaching (with the worst possible choice) failed and then we are just giving up and going back to what's comfortable.

Hopefully Saleh is different and will want a dynamic offense but I doubt it. If he brings LaFleur or McDaniel and plans to run the Shanahan offense then Wilson is a far better fit than Fields, especially considering his experience under center.

I understand the allure of trading back and getting lots of picks, but it just seems more logical to me that you draft a QB and have the 3 most important pieces all essentially with 4 year deals to get it done, and the QB under a rookie contract. 

I am also not sure that the choice between LaFleur and McDaniel is as important as the choice of QB coach. I would prefer Kafka if there is any truth at all to those rumours.

Hard to know how any of them act in the lockerroom, but Gase and Bowles seemed to have more introverted personalities. Saleh appears more like Rex. At least in terms of outward emotion. Hopefully smarter with less bombast.

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1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

**One thing I don't see people bring up is that Joe Douglas was on staff in Philadelphia when Sam Bradford was on the roster after they selected Wentz. Eagles waited until an injury happened in training camp to maximize the return on Bradford.

Could Saleh/Douglas do the same with your point also ringing true, Sam starts next year and then hands it off to rookie.

The best decision for Darnold's trade value would be trading him as early as possible in the offseason.  Waiting until the season starts, when teams get to see just how sh*tty he still is in Year 4, would not be prudent.  Plus he's due to hit free agency after 2021, which would make him just a rental for a few games.  Not ideal for a guy who everyone recognizes to still be a project QB.  

Besides, 2021 picks are more valuable than 2022 picks.

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6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I agree with this, however the risk for this is the same as the risk of picking a QB too high because you need a QB. 

Did the team suddenly convince itself Saleh was their #1 choice due to the risk of losing him?

If they had a 2nd interview with Brandon Staley or Joe Brady, would one of them suddenly become the #1 choice?

"OK, so that means that our whole solar system could be like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being"...

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47 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Lenny Breau fan.  Hunh?  Jeez.  Haven't listened to that guy in years.  So sad he went the way he did.  I have a good documentary about him a friend gave to me.  I'm more a Charlie Christian/Grant Green man myself.  But those harp overtones Lenny did were something else.

Taught Randy Bachman, right?  

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well if its Saleh I hope he brings McDaniels because there is no shot this guy will ever be a head coach I don't care how smart he is. Good to have stability at OC. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Jethead said:

"OK, so that means that our whole solar system could be like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being"...

I call this giant being 'Tim'

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1 minute ago, QB1 said:

well if its Saleh I hope he brings McDaniels because there is no shot this guy will ever be a head coach I don't care how smart he is. Good to have stability at OC. 

 

what the hell?

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4 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

According to Ian Rapoport and Peter Schrager, Saleh arrived last night and met with some of the people from the Jets organization and is now meeting with Christopher Johnson this morning.

 He will bring Lafleur with him as his OC. Everyone agrees that if they want him they have to jump and make the deal as he's a hot commodity.

Just figured I'd throw out an easy update more than welcome to merge

Would like to point out that this proves all the "insiders" that claimed Saleh was offered a contract last night were patently wrong. Chris Johnson did not meet with him until this morning and he has to sign off on it before any offer is made.

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4 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

second update: I did a little research and Saleh and Lafleur are both from Michigan as in born there.

Lafleur is 34 years old and is obviously the dude from Green Bay's little brother and he is listed as the passing game / wide receiver specialist

Heard on a podcast that Lafleur was the best man at Saleh's wedding. They're close. Almost a forgone conclusion he'll be the OC if Saleh is hired

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1 hour ago, genot said:

Your living in fantasy land.We have too many needs to take a flyer on. Career backup. Which Mac Jones will be. Probably.

 

I'd take Jones as a project. But #1 we already have one of those and #2 he won't last until the rounds where you draft projects.

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30 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I am not opposed to Saleh as HC. Maybe not super excited but I could see him being successful. 

My bigger problem is it seems like we are just retreating to what is comfortable and just hiring the hot DC with a different personality than the last one. 

It's like we dipped our feet in the offensive side of coaching (with the worst possible choice) failed and then we are just giving up and going back to what's comfortable.

Hopefully Saleh is different and will want a dynamic offense but I doubt it. If he brings LaFleur or McDaniel and plans to run the Shanahan offense then Wilson is a far better fit than Fields, especially considering his experience under center.

I understand the allure of trading back and getting lots of picks, but it just seems more logical to me that you draft a QB and have the 3 most important pieces all essentially with 4 year deals to get it done, and the QB under a rookie contract. 

I am also not sure that the choice between LaFleur and McDaniel is as important as the choice of QB coach. I would prefer Kafka if there is any truth at all to those rumours.

The guy who tweeted that withdrew it later and said he was wrong.  

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8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The best decision for Darnold's trade value would be trading him as early as possible in the offseason.  Waiting until the season starts, when teams get to see just how sh*tty he still is in Year 4, would not be prudent.  Plus he's due to hit free agency after 2021, which would make him just a rental for a few games.  Not ideal for a guy who everyone recognizes to still be a project QB.  

Besides, 2021 picks are more valuable than 2022 picks.

Oo yea I don't disagree, I'm just saying Douglas' teams have done this in the past. 

If we don't fall in love with Fields/Wilson/Lance then it wouldn't shock me to see them roll with Darnold and if there is a situation were a QB falls to one of our other picks and the value is there, I could see them making that move. But then it all hinges on what we get for Sam. I say 3rd or above = move him; 4th or worse = bring him back.

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30 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I am not opposed to Saleh as HC. Maybe not super excited but I could see him being successful. 

My bigger problem is it seems like we are just retreating to what is comfortable and just hiring the hot DC with a different personality than the last one. 

It's like we dipped our feet in the offensive side of coaching (with the worst possible choice) failed and then we are just giving up and going back to what's comfortable.

Hopefully Saleh is different and will want a dynamic offense but I doubt it. If he brings LaFleur or McDaniel and plans to run the Shanahan offense then Wilson is a far better fit than Fields, especially considering his experience under center.

I understand the allure of trading back and getting lots of picks, but it just seems more logical to me that you draft a QB and have the 3 most important pieces all essentially with 4 year deals to get it done, and the QB under a rookie contract. 

I am also not sure that the choice between LaFleur and McDaniel is as important as the choice of QB coach. I would prefer Kafka if there is any truth at all to those rumours.

If they hire Saleh & he brings his guys from sf to run the shanny offense they're most likely staying with Darnold and will most likely trade down and get some much needed picks. 

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57 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

cool. ok so i believe that woody is a not so warm a fella thanks to YOU!

happy to oblige.  Not exactly @Mogglez with inside info: just observations from a few 20 somethings interning with the Jets 5+ years ago at that.  Did not like Woody. One bit.  Said people feared him in the building but everyone else, players and coaches and staff were great (to them and to others).  Some good notes on Wilkerson and a few others from that era also from them. 

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