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28 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Vee ess seeking zee CEO not zee head coache.

SAR I

You really need to stop this already

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6 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Someone responded he was interviewed and I went along with that. What is the issue with you. I have never seen anyone take such combative positions when responding to a post as you do. 

No problem, let's  draft Fields and bring in someone we hope can figure out how to develop him. 

You're already criticizing what seems to be the next hire, no?  In favor of a guy we also know nothing about.

And, it's the internet, aren't we all here to argue about the dumb sh*t the Jets do?

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24 minutes ago, Paradis said:

And Todd Bowles is a beast on the mic as DC. doesn’t mean Daboll is fit to run the team. Most overblown candidate this cycle. Been around the league since 1970 and has never been a HC or in the conversation for that matter till now. There’s a reason for that. Maxed out as an OC

I look at The Bills and I see a QB in an O he is thriving in. Who is responsible? 

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1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

Sam is toast. We are going to have a new QB if not this season, the next. I want to know we have someone who can develop him. I want to get off this freaking  carousel. 

Look at Kafka from the Cheifs, LaFluer from the Niners or Michaels from the Niners. All young talented offensive minds. That's who Saleh is rumored to bring to his HC position. And that's not to mention there will be an actual QB coach as well. Seems crazy bit sam was missing two coaches while under Gase. The HC should just meld all of the departments and make the big decisions. Gase had the Jets believe he could do that WHILE being the OC and QB coach.  So dumb. 

But I feel pretty good about those names. Especially Kafka. That is the guy who is most hands on with Mahomes.  Not Bienemy

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7 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

The head coach of a team needs to manage the team. He doesn't have time to focus on one position group. That's the mistake we've made in the past. We need a leader of men, not a QB whisperer. Do you think Andy Reid is spent as much time with Mahomes as Bienemy and Kafka - hell no! The only downside of this would be if the offensive coordinator is great then he could leave to be a head coach.

When Mahomes was developing,  Reid sat with him in between every series. You are dead wrong about this.

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Brian Daboll was one of my top choices. 

But remember something just because we we hire him doesn't equate to Sam Darnold turning into Josh Allen. 

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3 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Look at Kafka from the Cheifs, LaFluer from the Niners or Michaels from the Niners. All young talented offensive minds. That's who Saleh is rumored to bring to his HC position. And that's not to mention there will be an actual QB coach as well. Seems crazy bit sam was missing two coaches while under Gase. The HC should just meld all of the departments and make the big decisions. Gase had the Jets believe he could do that WHILE being the OC and QB coach.  So dumb. 

But I feel pretty good about those names. Especially Kafka. That is the guy who is most hands on with Mahomes.  Not Bienemy

I'll believe it when I see it. 

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5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Here is a fact, Daboll has devised an O that makes his QB successful.  When was the last time we could say that about anyone on the Jets 

Maybe. Daboll also has the far superior QB and a sh*t ton of weapons. Doesnt mean the jets cant be in the same position soon. honestly, Daboll hasnt done crap yet except win 1 playoff game. He is not parcells yet so lets not make him out to be a hall of fame coach yet

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32 minutes ago, Paradis said:

And Todd Bowles is a beast on the mic as DC. doesn’t mean Daboll is fit to run the team. Most overblown candidate this cycle. Been around the league since 1970 and has never been a HC or in the conversation for that matter till now. There’s a reason for that. Maxed out as an OC

The thing I found with Daboll while I researched for the podcast is that he has the exact lineage you want to see in someone being considered for a HC position.  Lots of positional positions. then OC for the Browns with Mangini. 32nd and 29th ranked offenses. Then his next OC job he was ranked 20th.  Then went to the Bills and went up again while developing a young erratic QB. He stands as the #3 Scoring offense and the #2 offense overall this season. It's a nice trajectory and someone who came up from the dregs. Buffalo switchd from a defensive team (16th) to an offensive team over the past 3 years under Daboll. 

I hate choosing guys like Joe Brady who has literally 1 great year and one mid range year. That's it! 

Daboll has become one of the guys I really like for those reasons. This is not his first time in the position of OC and he has learned to build the offensive program after climbing up the ranks the hard way. I like the resume. 

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4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

When Mahomes was developing,  Reid sat with him in between every series. You are dead wrong about this.

you watched THAT many cheifs games that you can really say that? Did the camera really pan over to them, after every series? cmon man

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8 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

I look at The Bills and I see a QB in an O he is thriving in. Who is responsible? 

everyone. the credit needs to be spread out. You make it sound like daboll was given some crap players and misfits and created a thing of beauty. Maybe allen is responsible for 99%. Who know? 

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12 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

You really need to stop this already

dont talk to SAR that way

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29 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Your assumption that an offensive minded HC is needed to develop a QB is faulty.  We'd be just as much at risk of not developing the next QB with an offensive HC as with a defensive HC.  The HC is supposed to coach the team, not one half of the team.  F'ing Jets have gotten it wrong for so long.  QB development depends in the guy running the offense, not necessarily the HC.  

Yes, this, exactly. Let's get a HC that coaches the whole team, and hired an OC who knows how to coach a QB. Or, better yet, hire an OC who hires a really, really good QB coach.

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4 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

The thing I found with Daboll while I researched for the podcast is that he has the exact linegae you want to see in someone being considered for a HC position.  Lots of positional positions. then OIC for the Browns with Mangini. 32nd and 29th ranked offenses. Then his next OC job he was ranked 20th.  Then went to the Bills and went up again while developing a young erratic QB. He stands as the #3 Scoring offense and the #2 offense overall. It's a nice trajectory and someone who came up from the dregs. 

I hate shoosing guys like Joe Brady who has literally 1 great year and one mid range year. That's it! 

Daboll has become one of the guys I really like for those reasons. This is not his first time in the position of OC and he has learned to build the offensive program. I like the resume. 

you make a better argument than cowbell, but it doesnt mean that choosing Saleh will fail. Who knows if Daboll even wants to sign? He also has options.GUESS WHAT its not up to the jets

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Imagine we wait on Daboll.......

Saleh signs with detroit and turns it around....

Dabol takes the charger job and does well...

we get sloppy seconds (again) and suck for another decade

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42 minutes ago, Paradis said:

And Todd Bowles is a beast on the mic as DC. doesn’t mean Daboll is fit to run the team. Most overblown candidate this cycle. Been around the league since 1970 and has never been a HC or in the conversation for that matter till now. There’s a reason for that. Maxed out as an OC

Daboll was born in 1975.. so I'm not sure he's been around the league that long. ;)

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18 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

you watched THAT many cheifs games that you can really say that? Did the camera really pan over to them, after every series? cmon man

Sunday ticket isn't  very expensive and during Mahomes first season I watched a lot of Chiefs games because he was fun to watch. Sorry to disappoint  you. 

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17 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

everyone. the credit needs to be spread out. You make it sound like daboll was given some crap players and misfits and created a thing of beauty. Maybe allen is responsible for 99%. Who know? 

So the OC isn't  responsible for the offensive scheme? Are you seriously saying this?

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30 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

The thing I found with Daboll while I researched for the podcast is that he has the exact lineage you want to see in someone being considered for a HC position.  Lots of positional positions. then OC for the Browns with Mangini. 32nd and 29th ranked offenses. Then his next OC job he was ranked 20th.  Then went to the Bills and went up again while developing a young erratic QB. He stands as the #3 Scoring offense and the #2 offense overall this season. It's a nice trajectory and someone who came up from the dregs. Buffalo switchd from a defensive team (16th) to an offensive team over the past 3 years under Daboll. 

I hate choosing guys like Joe Brady who has literally 1 great year and one mid range year. That's it! 

Daboll has become one of the guys I really like for those reasons. This is not his first time in the position of OC and he has learned to build the offensive program after climbing up the ranks the hard way. I like the resume. 

I'm not authority on Daboll, so im not gonna tell you you're wrong... but what you're chronicling looks like a guy refining his trade. Subject matter expert... this the first time his name has been floated around seriously in the HC capacity... I'd like to think we're getting better as evaluators (we as in GMs/ownership) on figure who the foremen are, and who the specialists are. Their skillsets are different. 

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27 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Daboll was born in 1975.. so I'm not sure he's been around the league that long. ;)

Reincarnation. Duh.

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49 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

You really need to stop this already

CJ and JD made it clear that they aren't concerned with finding a defensive or offensive head coach, they are instead looking for someone to be a culture-changer and overseer of an OC and DC at a high level.  A CEO.

So whether Daboll is offensive or Saleh is defensive makes no difference.  The Jets are looking for someone agnostic.

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51 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

I look at The Bills and I see a QB in an O he is thriving in. Who is responsible? 

The OC largely....

unless you fell downstairs this morning, you're intentionally missing my point. 

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1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

 There is concrete evidence  he can develop a QB. 

Is there?

Daboll has been an offensive coordinator many times over the years for many teams. He had never really excelled until this year.

Not saying he hasn't been good with Allen but the entire case for hiring him seems to be giving him credit for Allen's leap -- and it's not a given he's the real reason for that.

There have been rumors Ken Dorsey has as much to do with it as Daboll.

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49 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

I hate choosing guys like Joe Brady who has literally 1 great year and one mid range year. That's it! 

Does he not get some credit for helping Joe Burrow have one of the greatest collegiate seasons of all-time and ending up the # 1 overall pick?

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If Joe wants Saleh, let’s have Saleh.

 

Yes, we’ve seen week to week what May be the best fit, but if he’s sat down and got to understand how they’ll work and who be effective together and he’s chosen Saleh, then welcome coach, take me to the post season.

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2 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Daboll was the guy I felt should ha e been highest on the list. There is concrete evidence  he can develop a QB. Is there evidence that Saleh can?

I understand what you are saying and Daboll was high on my list, as well. You want a coaching staff that is very likely to be able to develop a QB. However, I think a critical mistake that we made last time was being obsessed with finding the right QB guru to be the head coach. That led to an extremely limited interview process that focused heavily on offensive coaches and resulted in the hiring of the so-called QB whisperer. 

I think taking a more holistic approach and looking for a guy who can change the culture in the building and lead the entire team is a much better way to go about things.  

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1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Great, so right after we destroyed one FQB prospect with bad HC's who didn't know how to develop one, we have an opportunity to hire someone who has a proven track record but we bring in a guy who we don't know if he can do it, hoping he hires an OC who does, just when we are likely to draft another potential FQB prospect.

I hate this this team.  

Our D will be one of the best in the league. He will also attract free agents. 

 

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25 minutes ago, SAR I said:

CJ and JD made it clear that they aren't concerned with finding a defensive or offensive head coach, they are instead looking for someone to be a culture-changer and overseer of an OC and DC at a high level.  A CEO.

So whether Daboll is offensive or Saleh is defensive makes no difference.  The Jets are looking for someone agnostic.

SAR I

No, they are not looking for someone "agnostic". They are looking for a head coach to coach the WHOLE team, and hire experts to coach the offense, defense, and special teams. That's not "agnostic", that's understanding the big picture and the role of a head coach.

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8 minutes ago, viffer said:

No, they are not looking for someone "agnostic". They are looking for a head coach to coach the WHOLE team, and hire experts to coach the offense, defense, and special teams. That's not "agnostic", that's understanding the big picture and the role of a head coach.

Stop.  You're saying the same thing I am.

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2 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Great, so right after we destroyed one FQB prospect with bad HC's who didn't know how to develop one, we have an opportunity to hire someone who has a proven track record but we bring in a guy who we don't know if he can do it, hoping he hires an OC who does, just when we are likely to draft another potential FQB prospect.

I hate this this team.  

It’s possible but I wouldn’t say it’s likely. I don’t see this team moving on from Sam yet.

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1 minute ago, extmenace said:

It’s possible but I wouldn’t say it’s likely. I don’t see this team moving on from Sam yet.

I think the only thing we can all agree on regarding Sam is that it's somewhere between "impossible" and "guaranteed" that they keep him lol

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3 minutes ago, jgb said:

I think the only thing we can all agree on regarding Sam is that it's somewhere between "impossible" and "guaranteed" that they keep him lol

You’re right, I’ll agree to that comment.

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It's hilarious watching fans argue over coaches they almost assuredly know nothing about beyond they stats the read on ESPN.

Lets be clear, none of you know if Salah or Daboll or anyone else will be a success in NY.  Sure, obvious failures-to-be (like say, Gase) are obvious to anyone with half a brain, but most guys, especially first-time Head Coaches.....no idea. 

You.  Have.  No.  Idea.

So relax, you can't control it, your wishes don't matter to anyone anywhere, and the Jets will hire who they hire.

As long as it's a well-regarded candidate, who cares which one.  Again, you have no idea if X can develop Y, or if Z really had alot to do with Q getting better.  You might think you know, but you don't.

So chill out and take what you get.  Half of you whining will, two days after the hire, be attacking anyone critical of the hire as bad fans, no matter who is hired, lol.

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