Mike LaFleur

[jetscrazey]

1 minute ago, The Gun Of Bavaria said:

Those white face masks with the white unis were easily the sharpest look ever....

That’s the look they won Super Bowl 3 in too

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

This is definitely Sam's last stand .

[More Cowbell]

10 hours ago, rayzor said:

Not to be confused with his brother, Packers HC Matt LaFleur, is reportedly Salehs choice for OC.  This is obviously a crucial hire.  He's in his early 30's but has decent experience:

As coach:
Elmhurst (2009) Offensive assistant Saint Joseph’s (2010) Quarterbacks coach Saint Joseph’s (2011–2012) Offensive coordinator Davidson (2013) Offensive coordinator Cleveland Browns (2014) Offensive intern Atlanta Falcons (2015–2016) Offensive assistant San Francisco 49ers (2017–2018) Wide receivers coach San Francisco 49ers (2019–present) Passing game coordinator

Curious if Mike McDaniel was considered.  Hopefully, we won't wind up in a situation like the Dolphins last season.  Brian Flores had brought along Chand O'Shea, the WR's coach from NE, to be his OC in Miami.  He was eventually fired after his first season.  

 

Offensive assistant at Elmhurst, sign me up.

[JetPotato]

9 hours ago, NamathToCaster said:

Do you think Darnold is going to be able to handle a third new system?

Might not be too hard considering he didn't commit any brain space to the first two.

[k-met57]

10 hours ago, rayzor said:

Not to be confused with his brother, Packers HC Matt LaFleur, is reportedly Salehs choice for OC.  This is obviously a crucial hire.  He's in his early 30's but has decent experience:

As coach:
Davidson (2013) Offensive coordinator

Curious if Mike McDaniel was considered.  Hopefully, we won't wind up in a situation like the Dolphins last season.  Brian Flores had brought along Chand O'Shea, the WR's coach from NE, to be his OC in Miami.  He was eventually fired after his first season.  

 

yes, but can he shoot 3's?

[kmnj]

if I were joe I would bring in Phillip Lindsay and Gus Edwards  as our rbs are trash and I assume we are going to try to follow niners system

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Offensive assistant at Elmhurst, sign me up.

Gases next gig

[56mehl56]

10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Most pro QBs can handle new systems.  This is one of the biggest myths in football if you ask me, the big worry that a QB will not pick up a new system or is in trouble if he has to go through 3 systems in 4 years or whatever..  and after gases awful system it could only be a step up

The problem as I see it is that Sam seems to be most comfortable when plays are off script and improvised when he relies on his natural ability and does not need to read or diagnose coverages. Its how he flourished at USC and its when he's looked best as a Jet. 

So do I see Sam being a fit under Shanahan's or Lafleur's system - No . No system is designed to have their QB play off script unless your a Brett Favre type of gunslinger. I'm not saying Sam is dumb , but I question if he's able to digest the concepts of reads/blitzes/line adjustments when the bright lights are on , and just seems to rely on his natural instincts.  

Can the  new staff "teach" him, , if they're going to do that I'm sure they'd like to start with their own guy.  

[Morrissey]

11 hours ago, choon328 said:

LaFleur was brought in here for 1 reason and 1 reason only.  To install the Shanahan passing game concepts for either Darnold or a rookie.  That's it.  No further debate is required

pretty sure he's gonnna have to call plays. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. We have a defensive minded head coach now. LaFleur will run the offense after he installs it.

[Beerfish]

7 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

The problem as I see it is that Sam seems to be most comfortable when plays are off script and improvised when he relies on his natural ability and does not need to read or diagnose coverages. Its how he flourished at USC and its when he's looked best as a Jet. 

So do I see Sam being a fit under Shanahan's or Lafleur's system - No . No system is designed to have their QB play off script unless your a Brett Favre type of gunslinger. I'm not saying Sam is dumb , but I question if he's able to digest the concepts of reads/blitzes/line adjustments when the bright lights are on , and just seems to rely on his natural instincts.  

Can the  new staff "teach" him, , if they're going to do that I'm sure they'd like to start with their own guy.  

Well the key is 'their own guy'  If you do not like the guy you have, fine.  Do not draft a guy at #2 overall if he is not a super high  end prospect.   If the team really hate Darnold then go get a Qb in FA

[QB1]

The issue with Sam is that his confidence is shot right now. I agree that the Gase scheme was a terrible fit and that the Shanahan scheme seems better- but before we can see the benefit of that Sams confidence needs to be rebuilt. I am not sure fixing Sam is as simple as inserting him in a new system. I feel like he needs time to sit and reflect on things, then maybe come back when expectations are low and the pressure is off. 

[Dcat]

2 minutes ago, QB1 said:

The issue with Sam is that his confidence is shot right now. I agree that the Gase scheme was a terrible fit and that the Shanahan scheme seems better- but before we can see the benefit of that Sams confidence needs to be rebuilt. I am not sure fixing Sam is as simple as inserting him in a new system. I feel like he needs time to sit and reflect on things, then maybe come back when expectations are low and the pressure is off. 

I don't understand why sop many think that these coaches can fix his terrible mechanics and footwork, awful decision making and myopic field vision (which is impossible to coach).  If he hasn't changed them by now, it ain't happening.  Keeping him around is another wasted season.

[ScouserJet]

You got to start somewhere.

If this is the guy Saleh wants, then I want him. He has a good pedigree, and he’s going to have some good QB or a very good OLine to work with. 
 

 

[Philc1]

12 hours ago, NamathToCaster said:

Do you think Darnold is going to be able to handle a third new system?

If he doesn’t whatever qb we draft at 23 will

[varjet]

The rubber will meet the road when we see the quality, and most importantly depth, of the Jets' new coaching staff.  

My view is that the Jets have been traditionally skimpy on their coaching investment.  

Look at the 49ers.  Shanahan has functioned as the OC too, but he had two high quality assistants helping him in addition to an army of offensive assistants and specialists, including a QB coach.  Gase had himself and Loggains.  The 49ers had at least 5 apparently talented people doing the job of Gase and Loggains.  

It would be classic Jets to see the Jets defense basically have no real thinking coaches other than Saleh.  

On offensive the Jets should have LeFleaur, a Passing Game Coordinator, a Running Game Coordinator, and a QB coach, in addition to the position coaches.  

[southtown24th]

what is the big deal about this guy?

enlighten me

[jeremy2020]

11 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

what is the big deal about this guy?

enlighten me

He shares the same last name as his brother which obviously means he will be as successful as him. Just like Belichick and junior. 

[southtown24th]

Just now, jeremy2020 said:

He shares the same last name as his brother which obviously means he will be as successful as him. Just like Belichick and junior. 

yeah.

makes no sense

[BCJet]

I think part of whats being missed in this discussion is not the X's and Os but what Shanahan actually does with his offense, and that is attack players.

Every system works on paper, just ask Adam Gase.  What Gase failed to realize is that giving players plays that dont fit their skillset and dont play to the weaknesses of the defense simply wont work.

What Saleh is lauded for, and what Shanahan's offense does is change week to week by adapting to who they are facing.  If there is a LB that is weak in coverage they make sure to run specific plays to get that LB on a WR out of the Slot or vs Kittle.  If a team is down a CB they "GASP" actually attack that player.  

In addition Shanahan uses motion to make the reads easier. not just for the QB but for everyone.  If the WRs and QB are on the same page it makes it easier for the QB to know where to go with the ball.  Motion, combined with play action and roll outs lessens the need for full field reads which is also a huge help.

These are all things that will make life easier for the entire offense, including Sam or whoever we draft at QB.  The thing that could be an issue with LaFleur is that he has never really been a primary play-caller. Hopefully he has enough experience in game-planning to make the jump, but those skill sets are definitely different.  Another poster said it very well that the game moves fast and play-calling becomes more art then science during the game.  Hopefully Lafleur has that talent.

 

[rayzor]

19 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

what is the big deal about this guy?

enlighten me

LaFleur is not official but we should be ok if its him or McDaniel.  Read this article:

Broncos Urged to Hire Top Kyle Shanahan Assistant as New OC in 2021

Here's an idea.

ZACK KELBERMAN

UPDATED:

DEC 29, 2020

ORIGINAL:

DEC 29, 2020

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The Denver Broncos committed a catastrophic error in 2017 by passing over Kyle Shanahan for Vance Joseph. Four years later, the franchise will have an opportunity to right that wrong.

Kind of.

In his "sensible plan" to "fix" the Broncos, Sports Illustrated's Conor Orr — who previously suggested acquiring Raiders quarterback Marcus Mariota this coming offseason — advised the team to replace offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur with one of Shanahan's top lieutenants in San Francisco, passing game coordinator Mike LaFleur or run game coordinator Mike McDaniel.

"Punch the accelerator on one of Kyle Shanahan’s two 'offensive coordinators,' Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel, and see if you can pay through the teeth to get one of them to run your offense in 2021," Orr urged. "Shanahan held on to both tightly during the head coaching cycle last year, so perhaps some kind of 'assistant head coach' title would be necessary to subvert all the administrative red tape. I really think Lock is savable and that Denver has all the pieces to win 10 games. While this would be a temporary fix, given that both LaFleur and McDaniel are on a head coaching track, installing and committing to the Shanahan offense is among the safest bets you can make right now as a head coach."

Although Shanahan is the brains behind an offense that's months removed from a Super Bowl appearance, LaFleur (brother of Packers head coach Matt LaFleur) and McDaniel are integral components of the operation. Hence their annual hype among the league's rising coaching prospects.

 

Under the former, the Niners have squeezed production from average- and replacement-level passers alike, from Jimmy Garoppolo to CJ Beathard to Nick Mullens. Under the latter, the club's running-back-by-committee has spawned several household names in the fantasy community, such as Raheem Mostert, Jeff Wilson, and Jerrick McKinnon.

LaFleur (33) and McDaniel (37) are green yet experienced thanks to their involvement in Shanahan's play-calling and game-planning processes. Either would represent a refreshing deviation from 55-year-old Shurmur, whose vanilla offense appears to be stuck in 2005. It's a young man's business, after all, and neither Shurmur nor Broncos head man Vic Fangio (62) have adopted with the times.

However, the mulligan Fangio received, his decided return for 2021, likely extends to Shurmur. The front office seeks continuity following a fifth-straight playoff-less season, meaning the status quo largely is expected to remain in place.

Never say never — few predicted Rich Scangarello's firing — but it's hard to envision Fangio dumping his second OC in as many years, especially if quarterback Drew Lock is given another chance as The Guy.

Like Shanahan himself was, the Broncos picking from his coaching tree is little more than a pipe dream.

[BigRy56]

Everybody has been saying that the 49ers should be in the market for Sam Darnold because of how he would perform in their offensive system. If that's the case and Darnold would succeed there due to their QB friendly system, why the **** not would we not bring that system to him here? Here's to hoping Mike LaFleur is up for a head coaching position in 2 years...

[C Mart]

14 hours ago, MTJ06 said:

Cimini said that the offense Bates ran in his rookie year was very similar to the shanahan offense so Darnold should have no problem picking it up

Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) Tweeted:
From an Xs and Os standpoint: Saleh runs a 4-3 base, predominantly zone. It's the Seattle/Pete Carroll system; lot of Cover-3. Mike LaFleur, expected to be OC, from the Shanahan school. Fits Sam Darnold, who ran similar scheme as rookie under Jeremy Bates. #Jets

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1349937273308123136?s=20 

I will get objection to this but I wouldn't mind if they brought Bates back as the QB coach.

Or if McCown really wants to retire and ready for coaching hire Josh for QB coach

 

[joewilly12]

3 hours ago, kmnj said:

if I were joe I would bring in Phillip Lindsay and Gus Edwards  as our rbs are trash and I assume we are going to try to follow niners system

Young fast elusive. 

Etienne or Harris. 

[pointman]

4 hours ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

This is definitely Sam's last stand .

He's got more lives than a cat. Legit, maybe the luckiest guy going. 

[C Mart]

2 hours ago, QB1 said:

The issue with Sam is that his confidence is shot right now. I agree that the Gase scheme was a terrible fit and that the Shanahan scheme seems better- but before we can see the benefit of that Sams confidence needs to be rebuilt. I am not sure fixing Sam is as simple as inserting him in a new system. I feel like he needs time to sit and reflect on things, then maybe come back when expectations are low and the pressure is off. 

So what do you propose? He takes a season off and stares at the ocean? 

How do any of us know if his confidence is shot or not.   

[QB1]

1 minute ago, C Mart said:

So what do you propose? He takes a season off and stares at the ocean? 

How do any of us know if his confidence is shot or not.   

I propose he goes to the Steelers/Saints/Colts and is a backup for a year. 

[Joejet]

16 minutes ago, C Mart said:

I will get objection to this but I wouldn't mind if they brought Bates back as the QB coach.

Or if McCown really wants to retire and ready for coaching hire Josh for QB coach

 

As crazy as it sounds, I had the same thoughts about Bates. I hadn’t thought about McCown but that’s not a bad idea as he seemed to be a good mentor for Sam.

[sec101row23]

I wouldn’t say that Lafleur is a done deal.  There will be competition for him and he won’t be cheap.  

[jetsons]

On 1/15/2021 at 2:55 AM, Jackie Treehorn said:

That first game at Lions sure was exciting. 

 

That announcers voice... UGH ?

[jetsons]

On 1/15/2021 at 2:12 PM, C Mart said:

I will get objection to this but I wouldn't mind if they brought Bates back as the QB coach.

Or if McCown really wants to retire and ready for coaching hire Josh for QB coach

 

Chad Pennington would be Perfect for that position... extremely smart & one of the Best play action QB's Ever.

[jeremy2020]

Can't say I'm excited about a first time OC without a lot of experience running an offense and game planning with a 1st time defensive head coach. Hope he's as good as his brother.