Chrebetfan80 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: And how about this.... So, I'd bet dollars to donuts that Mike Lafleur has already sought out Bates to pump him for info on Darnold. Shockingly, Bates' views on Darnold may be the primary factor in deciding whether to ride with Darnold in 2021. I wonder if Bates will be a candidate for QB coach? wouldnt be a bad hire as he's familiar with Sam and sam got better as that season went on under bates. Say what you want about him as an offensive coordinator, but he is regarded as an excellent QB coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I'm not sold on Darnold but if he is kept the ability to revamp the roster by trading the #2 pick is incredible. Here's a draft simulator that does a pretty good job: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ You can fill a ton of holes with the extra picks 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: I agree, but that doesn't remove the reality that the GM and HC will not have to suffer any consequences if Sam fails. All they will do is make their owner happy that they gave Sam the chance and buy themselves another year to have a more complete team to insert a QB into. And this is the problem with the Jets and why they've been spinning their wheels for the last 20 years under the Johnson's. If a new HC and GM have placate and kowtow to the owner who has proven to have zero football acumen whatsoever and give a crappy QB another year to prove what everyone else already knows, it completely compromises their ability to make decisions that they think would be best for the team. And I disagree with the notion that there are no consequences for passing on QB's who then become legit franchise QB's. Ask Mike MacCagnan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: Even if you don’t like Wilson or Fields, I just cannot understand how they saw enough out of Darnold to not have a contingency plan for the position. They better at least bring in a legit veteran qb. This - 10 years with no playoffs - you'd have to hope they're not just throwing year 11 away immediately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Saleh's conference will be telling. If he is non-committal to Sam it means that anything is on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted January 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, QB1 said: Saleh's conference will be telling. If he is non-committal to Sam it means that anything is on the table. Sam still on the roster. There's a 100% chance Saleh says nice things about him and how excited he is to have him. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Oh good a new and refreshing approach under this recent regime. Well done Johnsons harumph harumph You missed a harumph! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, y2k8 said: How many interviews did YOU get? Now this is EXCELLENT content right here. Keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Year 4 turnarounds are highly unlikely. But not impossible.Who is this in year 3?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, ChuckkieB said: And this is the problem with the Jets and why they've been spinning their wheels for the last 20 years under the Johnson's. If a new HC and GM have placate and kowtow to the owner who has proven to have zero football acumen whatsoever and give a crappy QB another year to prove what everyone else already knows, it completely compromises their ability to make decisions that they think would be best for the team. And I disagree with the notion that there are no consequences for passing on QB's who then become legit franchise QB's. Ask Mike MacCagnan. Is this the only year QB's are available? And if you are concerned we won't have a high enough pick and the draft capital to move up next season. Certainly, if Sam fails (as I've repeatedly said he likely will) along with the Jets and Seattle's pick, the Jets will have plenty to move up and will be adding a new QB to a team that is more complete and knows the playbook. Do you really think adding a rookie QB to a team that is learning under a completely new coaching staff is a recipe for success for rookie QBs? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Adam Schefter- Josh Rosen is Kliff Kingsbury's guy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, QB1 said: Saleh's conference will be telling. If he is non-committal to Sam it means that anything is on the table. There will be absolutely ZERO inference made in regard to Sam Darnold's future with the Jets in the introductory press conference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Maxman said: I tried embedding this but it won't work and now I can't find the ESPN tweet. But Adam Schefter talks about Saleh and then Darnold. Says Douglas loves him, the team wants to see what he can do in this new offense. He expects him to be back and start next season. Mentioned that the Jets will look to trade the # 2 pick or improve the OLine if they stay put. http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=30714899 As always Max, thanks for some great info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 For what it's worth, Peter Schrager said something similar on NFLN this morning, but he said "be on the roster", not starter. I honestly think there are many potential scenarios bthat play out, including drafting a QB in round 1 and keeping Sam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Schefter isn't a hack. He doesn't say things unless he has it on good authority No GM is giving out their strategy to a media analyst , I don't care if they lived together in a Yurt for 5 years. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: And I disagree with the notion that there are no consequences for passing on QB's who then become legit franchise QB's. Ask Mike MacCagnan. You're just wrong. The consequences for taking a flyer at #2 for a raw QB prospect and it not working out are infinitely higher than passing on a QB that goes on to be good. Macagnan was fired because he had terrible draft after terrible draft, not because he picked Sam or passed on Mahomes. Lots of teams pass on a player. Only one picks him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: No GM is giving out their strategy to a media analyst , I don't care if they lived together in a Yurt for 5 years. ^ This. Schefter is surmising here. Plain and simple. He's allowed to do so and GM/Coach speak from now to the draft is mostly public relations bullcrap. We on this board swallow it like it's nectar from the gods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, KRL said: I'm not sold on Darnold but if he is kept the ability to revamp the roster by trading the #2 pick is incredible. Here's a draft simulator that does a pretty good job: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ You can fill a ton of holes with the extra picks There's no question the 2 pick is worth a fortune It takes multiple 1s to get from 10 to 2 Because of the high price, a trade down is unlikely. It's fun to talk about but someone else has to pony up a huge package to get there 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, bitonti said: This is a perfect example of qb at 2 thinking Attack the source Disregard the evidence Double down on hope Good luck with that How did I attack Schefter? If you asked him, he would tell you he was guessing. He wasn't citing sources. You seem to be the one trying to bull your way to an answer regardless of the facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On GMF didn’t exactly give Sam a ringing endorsement like Sheff, he basically implied other coaches wanted to move on from Sam. start at 4:00 I think we may draft a QB and maybe even sign a vet, he will be on the rosters regardless if we can’t get more than a 3 for him, if he walks we still get the comp pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post playtowinthegame Posted January 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2021 Jets drafting DeVonta Smith No. 2 instead of a quarterback is akin to the Giants drafting Saquon Barkley No. 2 instead of a quarterback, when both respective franchise have a glaring need at qb. Not saying it's wrong, just saying both situations are quite similar. Draft stud skill position or take the quarterback. Hmmmm. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Media members are leaping to conclusions because Darnold fits Kyle Shanahans style of offense.....that's all they know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Gase confessed that he failed to help Sam develope. It's not completely out of the question that Sam will improve under a new coaching regime. So the question really comes down to how much might Sam improve. Keeping Sam gives us assets to spend elsewhere. This is turning out to be quite the interesting offseason. Go Jets! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, TeddEY said: This - 10 years with no playoffs - you'd have to hope they're not just throwing year 11 away immediately. Jets QB contingency plan has been to make sure they dont hurt the starters feelings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltflo Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just a few point on this whole thread, Sam was developing nicely under Bowels, he really went to hell under Gase. Seems a few others really regressed under his coaching as well. So is Sam salvageable under a new coaching staff with an offense that more fits his skill set. One just has to look at some past examples some recent and some. Way back. Josh Allen is the obvious recent choice, that coaching staff corrected his many flaws and turned him into a FQB. A past example would be a Brett Farve who Atlanta trade away and came to regret it, as the Packers turned him in to a Hall of Fame FQB. So there is still some hope that Sam can be reclaimed and be a Jets QB for many years to come under the right Tutelage. Then we have the unknown in James Morgan, who I have said in other post is a baller with all the skills to play at the NFL level. I still believe there is more going on there then is being let on. So taking either Fields or Wilson is not a given.With many needs to fill trading down is really an excellent option to continue to fill the roster with young talent. I also believe if we’re going to keep Sam It’s imperative that we have a strong solid offense line to protect him. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, y2k8 said: You're just wrong. The consequences for taking a flyer at #2 for a raw QB prospect and it not working out are infinitely higher than passing on a QB that goes on to be good. Macagnan was fired because he had terrible draft after terrible draft, not because he picked Sam or passed on Mahomes. Lots of teams pass on a player. Only one picks him. I agree. If you pass on a franchise QB, and your team sucks, you are going to be in trouble, but its gonna be because your team sucks. If we pass on a franchise QB, but build a winner with a different guy, so be it. My perspective, I would prefer the we move on from Darnold, but wtf do I know. I doubt that any decision is made yet. Saleh, Douglas and Lafleur (if he is hired) will be making the decision over the next several months. Cannot imagine anything is set in stone right now. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, BroadwayRay said: How did I attack Schefter? If you asked him, he would tell you he was guessing. He wasn't citing sources. You seem to be the one trying to bull your way to an answer regardless of the facts. Just because a person doesn't expose their sources doesn't mean they are guessing The man is a respected journalist. To say he guesses in his tweets attacks his very core All Schefter has is his reputation. Saying he speculates or guesses or uses goat entrails to predict the future makes this dude seem like Manish When Schefter says something like 99 times out of 100 it's based on fact 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: There's no question the 2 pick is worth a fortune It takes multiple 1s to get from 10 to 2 Because of the high price, a trade down is unlikely. It's fun to talk about but someone else has to pony up a huge package to get there Yet such trades seem to happen nearly every year without exception. Maybe we can get lucky her. Or just take a QB or Sewell and go from there. Trade back a few and maybe get Devonta Smith too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Do you really think adding a rookie QB to a team that is learning under a completely new coaching staff is a recipe for success for rookie QBs? A rookie QB has to learn a new playbook, play with new players, and adapt a new team philosophy no matter how much experience the coach might have, so I don't think it makes much of a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 He’s just speculating. Maybe mad Josina out scooped him so fishing for a headline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, undertow said: Media members are leaping to conclusions Jets Fans are leaping to conclusions saying that they have to go qb at 2. They don't have to, actually JD is in year 2 of a 6 year deal, Saleh is in year 1 of a 5 year deal, these guys both have time to build the team and find a qb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: Just because a person doesn't expose their sources doesn't mean they are guessing The man is a respected journalist. To say he guesses in his tweets attacks his very core All Schefter has is his reputation. Saying he speculates or guesses or uses goat entrails to predict the future makes this dude seem like Manish When Schefter says something like 99 times out of 100 it's based on fact There is no way a decision has been made on Darnold and no way Saleh or JD have informed Schefter. Schefter is speculating. And that is not an insult to him. It's really all these guys can do at this point He is surmising based on his own reasoning and knowledge, but I'm confident the Jets have told him nothing other than stuff to raise Sam's potential trade value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said: Gase confessed that he failed to help Sam develope. It's not completely out of the question that Sam will improve under a new coaching regime. So the question really comes down to how much might Sam improve. Keeping Sam gives us assets to spend elsewhere. This is turning out to be quite the interesting offseason. Go Jets! It could really be franchise altering if they can get him back on track, and get a haul for the pick. Unfortunately, there is the other side of the coin, also franchise altering.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, bitonti said: There's no question the 2 pick is worth a fortune It takes multiple 1s to get from 10 to 2 Because of the high price, a trade down is unlikely. It's fun to talk about but someone else has to pony up a huge package to get there The Bengals are the team I think is a realistic trade down. Priority 1 for them is protect Burrow. I'm sure Miami will also be heavily interested in Sewell. You could trade down to 5 and probably still have a realistic shot at one of the QBs or another trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Jets QB contingency plan has been to make sure they dont hurt the starters feelings. The ole Sanchez extension! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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