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Adam Schefter: I expect Sam Darnold to start for the Jets next season


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17 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

And how about this....    So, I'd bet dollars to donuts that Mike Lafleur has already sought out Bates to pump him for info on Darnold. Shockingly, Bates' views on Darnold may be the primary factor in deciding whether to ride with Darnold in 2021. I wonder if Bates will be a candidate for QB coach?

 

wouldnt be a bad hire as he's familiar with Sam and sam got better as that season went on under bates.  Say what you want about him as an offensive coordinator, but he is regarded as an excellent QB coach.  

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3 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I agree, but that doesn't remove the reality that the GM and HC will not have to suffer any consequences if Sam fails. All they will do is make their owner happy that they gave Sam the chance and buy themselves another year to have a more complete team to insert a QB into.

And this is the problem with the Jets and why they've been spinning their wheels for the last 20 years under the Johnson's. If a new HC and GM have placate and kowtow to the owner who has proven to have zero football acumen whatsoever and give a crappy QB another year to prove what everyone else already knows, it completely compromises their ability to make decisions that they think would be best for the team.

And I disagree with the notion that there are no consequences for passing on QB's who then become legit franchise QB's.  Ask Mike MacCagnan.

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1 hour ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

Even if you don’t like Wilson or Fields, I just cannot understand how they saw enough out of Darnold to not have a contingency plan for the position. They better at least bring in a legit veteran qb. 

This - 10 years with no playoffs - you'd have to hope they're not just throwing year 11 away immediately.

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1 minute ago, ChuckkieB said:

And this is the problem with the Jets and why they've been spinning their wheels for the last 20 years under the Johnson's. If a new HC and GM have placate and kowtow to the owner who has proven to have zero football acumen whatsoever and give a crappy QB another year to prove what everyone else already knows, it completely compromises their ability to make decisions that they think would be best for the team.

And I disagree with the notion that there are no consequences for passing on QB's who then become legit franchise QB's.  Ask Mike MacCagnan.

Is this the only year QB's are available? And if you are concerned we won't have a high enough pick and the draft capital to move up next season. Certainly, if Sam fails (as I've repeatedly said he likely will) along with the Jets and Seattle's pick, the Jets will have plenty to move up and will be adding a new QB to a team that is more complete and knows the playbook. Do you really think adding a rookie QB to a team that is learning under a completely new coaching staff is a recipe for success for rookie QBs?

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7 hours ago, Maxman said:

I tried embedding this but it won't work and now I can't find the ESPN tweet. But Adam Schefter talks about Saleh and then Darnold. Says Douglas loves him, the team wants to see what he can do in this new offense. He expects him to be back and start next season. Mentioned that the Jets will look to trade the # 2 pick or improve the OLine if they stay put.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=30714899

As always Max, thanks for some great info. 

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9 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

 

And I disagree with the notion that there are no consequences for passing on QB's who then become legit franchise QB's.  Ask Mike MacCagnan.

You're just wrong. The consequences for taking a flyer at #2 for a raw QB prospect and it not working out are infinitely higher than passing on a QB that goes on to be good. Macagnan was fired because he had terrible draft after terrible draft, not because he picked Sam or passed on Mahomes. Lots of teams pass on a player. Only one picks him. 

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2 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

No GM is giving out their strategy to a media analyst , I don't care if they lived together in a Yurt for 5 years. 

^ This.  Schefter is surmising here.  Plain and simple.  He's allowed to do so and GM/Coach speak from now to the draft is mostly public relations bullcrap.  We on this board swallow it like it's nectar from the gods.

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14 minutes ago, KRL said:

I'm not sold on Darnold but if he is kept the ability to revamp the
roster by trading the #2 pick is incredible.  Here's a draft simulator
that does a pretty good job:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/

You can fill a ton of holes with the extra picks

There's no question the 2 pick is worth a fortune 

It takes multiple 1s to get from 10 to 2

Because of the high price, a trade down is unlikely. It's fun to talk about but someone else has to pony up a huge package to get there 

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28 minutes ago, bitonti said:

This is a perfect example of qb at 2 thinking 

Attack the source 

Disregard the evidence

Double down on hope 

Good luck with that 

How did I attack Schefter? If you asked him, he would tell you he was guessing. He wasn't citing sources. You seem to be the one trying to bull your way to an answer regardless of the facts.

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On GMF didn’t exactly give Sam a ringing endorsement like Sheff, he basically implied other coaches wanted to move on from Sam. start at 4:00
 


I think we may draft a QB and maybe even sign a vet, he will be on the rosters regardless if we can’t get more than a 3 for him, if he walks we still get the comp pick. 

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Gase confessed that he failed to help Sam develope.  It's not completely out of the question that Sam will improve under a new coaching regime.  So the question really comes down to how much might Sam improve.

Keeping Sam gives us assets to spend elsewhere.  This is turning out to be quite the interesting offseason.  Go Jets!      

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Just a few point on this whole thread,
Sam was developing nicely under Bowels, he really went to hell under Gase. Seems a few others really regressed under his coaching as well.
So is Sam salvageable under a new coaching staff with an offense that more fits his skill set.
One just has to look at some past examples some recent and some. Way back.
Josh Allen is the obvious recent choice, that coaching staff corrected his many flaws and turned him into a FQB.
A past example would be a Brett Farve who Atlanta trade away and came to regret it, as the Packers turned him in to a Hall of Fame FQB.
So there is still some hope that Sam can be reclaimed and be a Jets QB for many years to come under the right Tutelage.
Then we have the unknown in James Morgan, who I have said in other post is a baller with all the skills to play at the NFL level. I still believe there is more going on there then is being let on.
So taking either Fields or Wilson is not a given.With many needs to fill trading down is really an excellent option to continue to fill the roster with young talent.
I also believe if we’re going to keep Sam It’s imperative that we have a strong solid offense line to protect him.


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Just now, y2k8 said:

You're just wrong. The consequences for taking a flyer at #2 for a raw QB prospect and it not working out are infinitely higher than passing on a QB that goes on to be good. Macagnan was fired because he had terrible draft after terrible draft, not because he picked Sam or passed on Mahomes. Lots of teams pass on a player. Only one picks him. 

I  agree.  If you pass on a franchise QB, and your team sucks, you are going to be in trouble, but its gonna be because your team sucks.  If we pass on a franchise QB, but build a winner with a different guy, so be it.  

My perspective, I would prefer the we move on from Darnold, but wtf do I know.  I doubt that any decision is made yet. Saleh, Douglas and Lafleur (if he is hired) will be making the decision over the next several months.  Cannot imagine anything is set in stone right now.

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1 minute ago, BroadwayRay said:

How did I attack Schefter? If you asked him, he would tell you he was guessing. He wasn't citing sources. You seem to be the one trying to bull your way to an answer regardless of the facts.

Just because a person doesn't expose their sources doesn't mean they are guessing 

The man is a respected journalist. To say he guesses in his tweets attacks his very core 

All Schefter has is his reputation. Saying he speculates or guesses or uses goat entrails to predict the future makes this dude seem like Manish 

When Schefter says something like 99 times out of 100 it's based on fact 

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2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There's no question the 2 pick is worth a fortune 

It takes multiple 1s to get from 10 to 2

Because of the high price, a trade down is unlikely. It's fun to talk about but someone else has to pony up a huge package to get there 

Yet such trades seem to happen nearly every year without exception.  Maybe we can get lucky  her.  Or just take a QB or Sewell and go from there.  Trade back a few and maybe get Devonta Smith too?  

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2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Do you really think adding a rookie QB to a team that is learning under a completely new coaching staff is a recipe for success for rookie QBs?

A rookie QB has to learn a new playbook, play with new players, and adapt a new team philosophy no matter how much experience the coach might have, so I don't think it makes much of a difference.  

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4 minutes ago, undertow said:

Media members are leaping to conclusions 

Jets Fans are leaping to conclusions saying that they have to go qb at 2. 

They don't have to, actually 

JD is in year 2 of a 6 year deal, Saleh is in year 1 of a 5 year deal, these guys both have time to build the team and find a qb 

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4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Just because a person doesn't expose their sources doesn't mean they are guessing 

The man is a respected journalist. To say he guesses in his tweets attacks his very core 

All Schefter has is his reputation. Saying he speculates or guesses or uses goat entrails to predict the future makes this dude seem like Manish 

When Schefter says something like 99 times out of 100 it's based on fact 

There is no way a decision has been made on Darnold and no way Saleh or JD have informed Schefter.  Schefter is speculating.  And that is not an insult to him. It's really all these guys can do at this point   He is surmising based on his own reasoning and knowledge, but I'm confident the Jets have told him nothing other than stuff to raise Sam's potential trade value.

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6 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

Gase confessed that he failed to help Sam develope.  It's not completely out of the question that Sam will improve under a new coaching regime.  So the question really comes down to how much might Sam improve.

Keeping Sam gives us assets to spend elsewhere.  This is turning out to be quite the interesting offseason.  Go Jets!      

It could really be franchise altering if they can get him back on track, and get a haul for the pick. Unfortunately, there is the other side of the coin, also franchise altering.😁

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8 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There's no question the 2 pick is worth a fortune 

It takes multiple 1s to get from 10 to 2

Because of the high price, a trade down is unlikely. It's fun to talk about but someone else has to pony up a huge package to get there 

The Bengals are the team I think is a realistic trade down.  Priority 1 for them is protect Burrow.  I'm sure Miami will also be heavily interested in Sewell.

You could trade down to 5 and probably still have a realistic shot at one of the QBs or another trade down.

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