Do you trust Joe Douglas?

[NYJ1]

We can talk and debate all day about Robert Saleh. In the end, it's all speculation. It certainly appears like he's achieved a lot in the NFL. He's graduated up through the ranks and hasn't had anything given to him. So really, we as fans, know very little about Mr. Saleh other than to quote other NFL coaches and media talking heads.

You need to trust that Joe Douglas had made the right decision. That's what all of this boils down to.

I, for one, do trust the GM. And honestly, in the scheme of things, we don't have a very large sample size on Joe Douglas. We only have one off-season to measure his ability. IMO, that off season was hit and miss. He hit on the draft and for the most part he missed in free agency. 

I'm choosing the optimistic approach to this in believing that Joe Douglas knows how to draft and will get better at acquiring the right players through free agency. I think Mr. Johnson has finally made a good hire in JD. 

We'll see over the long haul, but I ask you, do YOU trust that Joe Douglas has made the right hire? Because I submit to you the following:

I think Robert Saleh is a good HC just like I thought Rex, Bowles, and even Gase were good coaches in their own way. But the most important factor is JOE DOUGLAS. It all starts with JD and his ability to build the talent level on the roster. If he fails, ROBERT SALEH will also inevitably fail as well. If Joe Douglas shows his ability to acquire talent through the draft, Robert Saleh will in turn be successful and possibly get the NYJ their next Superbowl....

[BCJet]

Is it possible Saleh doesnt work out?  Of course, but look how the process played out and what the result was if anyone is wondering if they trust JD.  Today we have Robert Saleh and Mike Lafleur whereas 2 years ago this team was in the hands of Adam Gase and Dowell Loggins - DOWELL LOGGINS WAS A PROMINENT MEMBER OF AN NFL STAFF.  Prior to that we had Mike Macagnan, Todd Bowles and Chan Gailey. We are light years away from that with these 2 hires.

Id also like to dispel the notion that FA didnt go well.  Are we tied to any player who underperformed?  No  You can argue that Fant didnt have a great year and he didnt show much improvement from his time in seattle, but like with all the signings we can walk away with virtually not dead cap after one year.

Did Quincy Wilson work out, nope - and who cares, hes a bottom of the roster player.  Were Alex Lewis or GVR dominant, nope.  But they were decent veterans who dont cost a lot of money.  JD found a starting center who played very well in the second half of the year and has solidified that position for the next 2 years.   Having a "Bad FA" is paying Trumaine Johnson $15 per year to play at a disgusting level.  Its having no OL at all and giving guys like Leveon contracts that you cant get out of.

In 18 or so months JD has given us a franchise LT, starting WR and starting CB in his first draft with a likely starting safety to go with it.  He signed a starting center to a fair contract and just hired a top 1/2 HC candidate available.  

Is there something I shouldnt be trusting at this point?

[oatmeal]

For me the draft and what he does with the 2nd overall pick will tell me if I should trust him or not. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

If I had a daughter, he could take her for a malt. 

If I had a son, I’d be worried JD wouldn’t give him enough talent at receiver to throw to, and fail at protecting him with budget interior lineman. 

Other than that, I think he’s a righteous dude. 

[Greenbloodblitz]

JD's not a system he's a man.

Do you trust him?

No ... but he's got no love for the Empire I can tell you that.

[Rangers9]

He appears to be a competent professional. And should get more time. On the other hand the record under his watch has been a lot worse than other GMs. And he was a Gase guy actually chosen by Gase (we think) to work with him. You can’t separate Douglas from Gase. They were supposed to be a tandem. 

[FidelioJet]

There are reasons to be optimistic about him and reasons to be frightened.  
 

this off-season will tell us a lot. 

[Jets0712]

Yes ( blindly) he can absolutely not be as bad as the previous 2 we’ve had.. He’s only had 1 draft so far.. with all this cap space all these picks. It will be really telling what kind of Gm he will ultimately turn out to be.


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[rayzor]

For many, that trust will be put to the test IF he decides to keep Darnold.  Fans will turn on him so fast.

[flgreen]

20 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

. You can’t separate Douglas from Gase. 

Douglas just seperated himself from Gase

[playtowinthegame]

I trust him and will be patient along the way. We just have to worry about the spoiled front runner, allbirds wearing, Yankees fans, who live vicariously through their favorite sports teams amongst us at JetNation.

[Anthony Jet]

Yes

[flgreen]

Ask me this on May 1st.

[Tranquilo]

Look, I trust him but the title makes it sound like he’s about to molest us 

[SAR I]

I trust him a lot more today than I did on Wednesday.  

He had a good draft and, clearly, for the hottest HC prospect in the league to have one Zoom call and decide this is the place he wants to bet his entire career on speaks volumes about Douglas.

I'm in.

SAR I

[FlightBoyz]

Very Confident in Joe D

[CanadaSteve]

1 hour ago, NYJ1 said:

We can talk and debate all day about Robert Saleh. In the end, it's all speculation. It certainly appears like he's achieved a lot in the NFL. He's graduated up through the ranks and hasn't had anything given to him. So really, we as fans, know very little about Mr. Saleh other than to quote other NFL coaches and media talking heads.

You need to trust that Joe Douglas had made the right decision. That's what all of this boils down to.

I, for one, do trust the GM. And honestly, in the scheme of things, we don't have a very large sample size on Joe Douglas. We only have one off-season to measure his ability. IMO, that off season was hit and miss. He hit on the draft and for the most part he missed in free agency. 

I'm choosing the optimistic approach to this in believing that Joe Douglas knows how to draft and will get better at acquiring the right players through free agency. I think Mr. Johnson has finally made a good hire in JD. 

We'll see over the long haul, but I ask you, do YOU trust that Joe Douglas has made the right hire? Because I submit to you the following:

I think Robert Saleh is a good HC just like I thought Rex, Bowles, and even Gase were good coaches in their own way. But the most important factor is JOE DOUGLAS. It all starts with JD and his ability to build the talent level on the roster. If he fails, ROBERT SALEH will also inevitably fail as well. If Joe Douglas shows his ability to acquire talent through the draft, Robert Saleh will in turn be successful and possibly get the NYJ their next Superbowl....

YES.......For now.

REASONS WHY:

1) Didn't hand out big contracts to players (cough Robbie cough) knowing we were bad and needed a core of good young talent first before handing out large contracts.

2) Signed a bunch of 1 year guys to see if anyone is worth keeping around long-term, all the while giving Sam Darnold better protection than he had the year before.

3) Traded his best asset for multiple first round picks.  A guy who plays a position that doesn't warrant spending $18 million to get what he offered.  He needed draft capital more.  

4) We needed an LT to anchor the line for a decade.  He got a 6'7" 360 pound mountain who can run a 40 yard dash in 5.1 seconds.  Took the risk on the guy with the higher upswing.

5) The best GM's hit about 50 percent of the time.  Douglas had 9 picks.  So far, Becton, Mims, Mann, Hall, and Perrine all look like they can stick.  They may not all be starters, but they can contribute.  Jury is out on Clark and Morgan.  Question marks about Davis and Zuniga.  THIS MEANS NOTHING RIGHT NOW:  We need to see how they all contribute next year.  But right now, IMO, he has found five contributors in some fashion right now.

6) As of now, we have the third most cap space amongst all NFL teams, and could have much more with simple cuts and restructures.  This during a season when the cap will go down and thirteen teams go into 2021 season over the cap...one which is +$60 million over (Eagles) and one which is +$90 million over (Saints).

7) Early reports suggest that Robert Saleh, who was one of THE hottest commodities to get a HC job in 2021, liked the Jets because of Joe Douglas.

I think that affords a little optimism for a franchise that hasn't had a lot to be optimistic about for a decade or so.  Will anything come of it?  Who knows, who cares....as many have said, this is football, not our lives.  But I think those seven points should put a smile on Jets fans faces this off-season, and make us excited to see what this team will look like in 2021.

[Rangers9]

26 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Douglas just seperated himself from Gase

No the ownership did. Look I'm not for firing Douglas. But he was Gase's guy. 

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I think I do.  I thought he could have done better last year in free agency.  The 2020 draft the jury is still out.

He did a wonderful job in getting us Salah.  He got his first choice in a coach.  When was the last time the Jets got their first choice.

This is a big off season for the Jets.  I think players want to come here and play for Salah.  There will be no extra premium to play for the Jets this year.   We have the cap space to fill a need or two. I think Maye will be reinvigorated to resign with the Jets.   We have the draft picks the next two years.  We can trade down and get a haul or we can draft a QB.  These decisions will dictate if JD is the man

 

[CanadaSteve]

3 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

No the ownership did. Look I'm not for firing Douglas. But he was Gase's guy. 

So Gase did one thing right in helping get us Douglas, and Douglas turned around and did the right thing for the franchise in firing Adam Gase.

[flgreen]

2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

No the ownership did. Look I'm not for firing Douglas. But he was Gase's guy. 

Same ownership that called Gase "the future of football" when he was 0-9?  The Jets actually improved after that.  We won't know for awhile, but I'd bet Douglas pulled the trigger on Gase. 

[Lizard King]

27 minutes ago, SAR I said:

I trust him a lot more today than I did on Wednesday.  

He had a good draft and, clearly, for the hottest HC prospect in the league to have one Zoom call and decide this is the place he wants to bet his entire career on speaks volumes about Douglas.

I'm in.

SAR I

Agree. Many more stories of failure from coaching here than Pete Carroll’s. 

[Beerfish]

I trust him to do his best to make this team good and that is all you can ask.

That does not mean I will not be critical of bad moves I think he is making.

Why do I trust him?  Because he admitted making mistakes his first year.

[peebag]

I trust no one from the Jets organization.

C'mon.

[Jet_Engine1]

1 hour ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

JD's not a system he's a man.

Do you trust him?

No ... but he's got no love for the Empire I can tell you that.

Is he a scoundrel?

[kelly]

yes..  so far   ?

[BloodGreen]

Yes.


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[dcJet]

I've seen too many GM's fail here to trust any rookie GM.  JD could end up good or end up being another Macc.

His first year was mixed.  Crappy draft, nice trades, bad draft trade down, bad FA, no depth.  Turned us into a two win team.

It'll take 3 or 4 years to fully evaluate him.  I hope he pulls us out of this tailspin.  We'll see.

 

[Greenbloodblitz]

24 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Is he a scoundrel?

Well we'll see how he plays his cards..

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said:

I trust him and will be patient along the way. We just have to worry about the spoiled front runner, allbirds wearing, Yankees fans, who live vicariously through their favorite sports teams amongst us at JetNation.

My guess is he was never a real  true NY Yankees fan he probably jumped on the bandwagon somewhere along the way. 

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

[RedBeardedSavage]

 

[addage]

I don't think "trust" is the right word.  But yes, I am optimistic.  (Always am until it goes off the rails which the Jets do with stunning frequency).

If you look at 2020, he did some good things and more bad things.  His roster is worse than the one he started the year with.  So making a negative case about JD isn't hard.

OTOH, he didn't have many tools to work with.  There was little chance the Jets were going to be a contender under any circumstances.  He has cut a lot of dead wood.  He has built draft capital.  He has managed the cap well.  He has a much stronger position going into 2021 than he had going into 2020.

He led the HC hiring process really well.  He got Robert Saleh who is well regarded and at a point in the process where other teams were chasing him.  Builds some confidence in his leadership.

So we start 2021 with reasonable grounds to be optimistic.  Time will tell.

And never forget, he's the only game in town.  Think where we were with Macc and Gase.

[slimjasi]

I have confidence in him, but trust is not a word I use lightly. 

[varjet]

In 2019 there was not much to do or not do. 

The two big decisions he made were flops-he failed to extend RA when he had the leverage, and he gave Kalil $9mm that we could spend next year as opposed to giving Johnathon Harrison a chance.

in 2020 he was ok.  He got a great price for Adams.  Becton could be great or ok.  If he ends up moving to RT, he probably was better with a more durable Wirfs.  that is probably the reason he does not draft Sewell.  Mims will always be compared to Claypool, Van Jefferson, Dobbins and Akers.   The 3rd and 4th rounds need big improvements next year.  Hall and the punter were good.   McGovern was a B addition.  Perriman was a waste of money for 1 year, and GVR was ok.   He think he made the same mistake with Conklin as he did RA-he was fixated on value.  We should have outbid Cleveland, if Conklin would have taken it. 

He is light years ahead of Maccagnan.  

Interesting on that picture of Mims and his new dog-his legs are way too small.  I think Saleh gets this team on a better S and C program and there is a big difference.  The 49ers are known for having a good program there.  Lynch is no dummy.  

We are stuck with Saleh and JD for the next four years.  We should enjoy it.