Great Video Breakdown by Baldy- 49's running attack

[jetsons]

Hopefully Lafleur learned from McDaniels & will implement similar concepts here.

[bgivs21]

I really hope Lafleur works out. As much as I liked the Saleh hire, I'm just as nervous about the Laleur hire

[Beerfish]

That was a great watch.

To go along with the scheme you need some key players to make a lot of that work.  You need a double threat TE, who can scare the other team in the passing game and be a great blocker. (Jets don't have one)  You need a really good fullback (jets don't have one).  You need a Qb who is exceptional at selling the play action pass fake. (jets QB's have not shown the ability to do this.)

This is not to say we can;t get these players and coach them up but a lot of the success of these plays is due to players posing a threat.

[peekskill68]

Raheem Mostert was a Jet for 6 days in 2016.  LOL

He is in a group now that includes Tevin Coleman, Jeffrey Wilson and Jerick McKinnon

Would think LaFleur would take guys like Johnson , Perine and Adams, add a B-level name or two to the mix and make a go of it with them vs. having JD make a big splash for a Najee Harris or Travis Etienne...

[RedBeardedSavage]

7 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

Raheem Mostert was a Jet for 6 days in 2016.  LOL

He is in a group now that includes Tevin Coleman, Jeffrey Wilson and Jerick McKinnon

Would think LaFleur would take guys like Johnson , Perine and Adams, add a B-level name or two to the mix and make a go of it with them vs. having JD make a big splash for a Najee Harris or Travis Etienne...

Definitely agree that once we went the Shanny offense route, we can probably rule out Najee & Etienne.

Day 3 RB's are far more likely. 

[joewilly12]

46 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Definitely agree that once we went the Shanny offense route, we can probably rule out Najee & Etienne.

Day 3 RB's are far more likely. 

Disagree 

If we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaker RB. 

[Beerfish]

16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Disagree 

If we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaker RB. 

I would not be upset at getting a high end RB, the point Savage made is history suggest the Shanahan tree makes medium backs or not highly rated backs into impact backs.

[jetstream23]

19 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Disagree 

If we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaker RB. 

I'll reword this and say that if we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaking running game.  That doesn't necessarily mean a high-end, 1st round RB type.  Who knows, the Jets might be fine adding Wilson from SF as a FA to the group of Perine and Ty Johnson, and building the running game by drafting OLine and TE.

[RedBeardedSavage]

I think this dude could be a nice compliment to Perine and gettable with one of our third round picks. Dude has vision.

 

[whodeawhodat]

aight

[Integrity28]

The great thing with this Shannahan running system is that historically, very few of the RBs that thrive in it are high picks or stars. I mean, Jeff Wilson, Raheem Mostert for the 49ers is just a recent example... look back all the way to Mike Shanny’s days. Kubiak. The guys they’ve turned into studs. It’s exciting.

[Alentador31]

TY Johnson will have a breakout year in this scheme 

[Tranquilo]

Totally forgot we have Ty Johnson 

[Lupz27]

Frank Gore will be available ??

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I think this dude could be a nice compliment to Perine and gettable with one of our third round picks. Dude has vision.

 

These mock draft sites are a bit unrealistic about who may or may not be available and trades could happen, but here's what I came up with trading down twice and taking Carter in the early 3rd.  LaFleur gets his "Kittle" with Kyle Pitts.

[fullblast]

Would love to draft Kenny Gainwell in the third and add him to Johnson/Perine.

[Charlie Brown]

This video is why I wanted Mike Shannahan brought in here two years ago with the understanding he would coach for two years while grooming talent underneath him.  Jets said that they didn't want that and he was off the table.....

We would be in a much better place had we done so..... 

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

That was a great watch.

To go along with the scheme you need some key players to make a lot of that work.  You need a double threat TE, who can scare the other team in the passing game and be a great blocker. (Jets don't have one)  You need a really good fullback (jets don't have one).  You need a Qb who is exceptional at selling the play action pass fake. (jets QB's have not shown the ability to do this.)

This is not to say we can;t get these players and coach them up but a lot of the success of these plays is due to players posing a threat.

Is Mims our Debo Samuel? Debo is so physical I hope Mims can be used in the same way. Herndon is not the answer atTE and we don’t have a FB who’s a solid blocker and good getting the tough yards and catching out of the backfield. Qb= NO

In conclusion we are not the 49ers!!

 

[RedBeardedSavage]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

These mock draft sites are a bit unrealistic about who may or may not be available and trades could happen, but here's what I came up with trading down twice and taking Carter in the early 3rd.  LaFleur gets his "Kittle" with Kyle Pitts.

Just read on one of these draft websites that Pitts is a willing and enthusiastic blocker, which I believe would be important for this Shanny offense.

I’m definitely comfortable entertaining a trade down scenario and picking up Pitts in the process. 

Also am happy with Cosmi, Toney, Adebo and of course, Carter. We’re real early in the process, but now that we have a coach, we can start to game out prospects that fit. 

[jetsons]

5 hours ago, Beerfish said:

That was a great watch.

To go along with the scheme you need some key players to make a lot of that work.  You need a double threat TE, who can scare the other team in the passing game and be a great blocker. (Jets don't have one)  You need a really good fullback (jets don't have one).  You need a Qb who is exceptional at selling the play action pass fake. (jets QB's have not shown the ability to do this.)

This is not to say we can;t get these players and coach them up but a lot of the success of these plays is due to players posing a threat.

Wesco played a hybrid position in College, I would him give a shot & see how he does.

[QB1]

Mike McDaniel is the mastermind behind these runs. Hopefully some of it rubbed off on Lefleur 

[Maxman]

10 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Definitely agree that once we went the Shanny offense route, we can probably rule out Najee & Etienne.

Day 3 RB's are far more likely. 

The Shanahan tree speaks to this. Shanny Senior was a master at this. Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick and ran for over 2,000 yards. He gets hurt, no problem.  Plug and play.

[68JET11]

15 hours ago, Alentador31 said:

TY Johnson will have a breakout year in this scheme 

I agree... I'm not sure people noticed how aggressively he was hitting the holes in the game where he replaced Gore, but I couldn't believe why GASE wouldn't have played him more. I believe our 3 RB's are plenty for this offense. We need help in other places much more.

[68JET11]

18 hours ago, jetsons said:

Hopefully Lafleur learned from McDaniels & will implement similar concepts here.

I don't see why not, they basically were both employed for the same 4 years on the 49's.  They are similar in age, and I'm guessing Saleh would have chosen McDaniels instead if he thought Lafleur wasn't up for the challenge. Obviously everyone can fail, but how can he be any worse than GASE.

[BCJet]

12 hours ago, jetsons said:

Wesco played a hybrid position in College, I would him give a shot & see how he does.

I really like Wesco and feel like he was really under utilized by Gase. The issue is he is 265 lbs whereas Kyle Juszcyk is 235.  I think we can get more from Wesco as a TE and blocker, but im not sure if he has the agility to be a zone type FB.