jetsons 2,309 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hopefully Lafleur learned from McDaniels & will implement similar concepts here. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgivs21 701 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I really hope Lafleur works out. As much as I liked the Saleh hire, I'm just as nervous about the Laleur hire 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 33,498 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 That was a great watch. To go along with the scheme you need some key players to make a lot of that work. You need a double threat TE, who can scare the other team in the passing game and be a great blocker. (Jets don't have one) You need a really good fullback (jets don't have one). You need a Qb who is exceptional at selling the play action pass fake. (jets QB's have not shown the ability to do this.) This is not to say we can;t get these players and coach them up but a lot of the success of these plays is due to players posing a threat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post peekskill68 1,973 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 Raheem Mostert was a Jet for 6 days in 2016. LOL He is in a group now that includes Tevin Coleman, Jeffrey Wilson and Jerick McKinnon Would think LaFleur would take guys like Johnson , Perine and Adams, add a B-level name or two to the mix and make a go of it with them vs. having JD make a big splash for a Najee Harris or Travis Etienne... 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post RedBeardedSavage 2,353 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: Raheem Mostert was a Jet for 6 days in 2016. LOL He is in a group now that includes Tevin Coleman, Jeffrey Wilson and Jerick McKinnon Would think LaFleur would take guys like Johnson , Perine and Adams, add a B-level name or two to the mix and make a go of it with them vs. having JD make a big splash for a Najee Harris or Travis Etienne... Definitely agree that once we went the Shanny offense route, we can probably rule out Najee & Etienne. Day 3 RB's are far more likely. 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joewilly12 24,376 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 46 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Definitely agree that once we went the Shanny offense route, we can probably rule out Najee & Etienne. Day 3 RB's are far more likely. Disagree If we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaker RB. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Beerfish 33,498 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Disagree If we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaker RB. I would not be upset at getting a high end RB, the point Savage made is history suggest the Shanahan tree makes medium backs or not highly rated backs into impact backs. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream23 29,871 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Disagree If we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaker RB. I'll reword this and say that if we keep Sam Darnold we will need a viable playmaking running game. That doesn't necessarily mean a high-end, 1st round RB type. Who knows, the Jets might be fine adding Wilson from SF as a FA to the group of Perine and Ty Johnson, and building the running game by drafting OLine and TE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedBeardedSavage 2,353 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I think this dude could be a nice compliment to Perine and gettable with one of our third round picks. Dude has vision. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whodeawhodat 1,411 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 aight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integrity28 73,656 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 The great thing with this Shannahan running system is that historically, very few of the RBs that thrive in it are high picks or stars. I mean, Jeff Wilson, Raheem Mostert for the 49ers is just a recent example... look back all the way to Mike Shanny’s days. Kubiak. The guys they’ve turned into studs. It’s exciting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alentador31 238 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 TY Johnson will have a breakout year in this scheme 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tranquilo 203 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Totally forgot we have Ty Johnson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupz27 12,467 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Frank Gore will be available 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream23 29,871 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said: I think this dude could be a nice compliment to Perine and gettable with one of our third round picks. Dude has vision. These mock draft sites are a bit unrealistic about who may or may not be available and trades could happen, but here's what I came up with trading down twice and taking Carter in the early 3rd. LaFleur gets his "Kittle" with Kyle Pitts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fullblast 2,397 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Would love to draft Kenny Gainwell in the third and add him to Johnson/Perine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Charlie Brown 9,504 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 This video is why I wanted Mike Shannahan brought in here two years ago with the understanding he would coach for two years while grooming talent underneath him. Jets said that they didn't want that and he was off the table..... We would be in a much better place had we done so..... 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
32EBoozer 6,450 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: That was a great watch. To go along with the scheme you need some key players to make a lot of that work. You need a double threat TE, who can scare the other team in the passing game and be a great blocker. (Jets don't have one) You need a really good fullback (jets don't have one). You need a Qb who is exceptional at selling the play action pass fake. (jets QB's have not shown the ability to do this.) This is not to say we can;t get these players and coach them up but a lot of the success of these plays is due to players posing a threat. Is Mims our Debo Samuel? Debo is so physical I hope Mims can be used in the same way. Herndon is not the answer atTE and we don’t have a FB who’s a solid blocker and good getting the tough yards and catching out of the backfield. Qb= NO In conclusion we are not the 49ers!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedBeardedSavage 2,353 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: These mock draft sites are a bit unrealistic about who may or may not be available and trades could happen, but here's what I came up with trading down twice and taking Carter in the early 3rd. LaFleur gets his "Kittle" with Kyle Pitts. Just read on one of these draft websites that Pitts is a willing and enthusiastic blocker, which I believe would be important for this Shanny offense. I’m definitely comfortable entertaining a trade down scenario and picking up Pitts in the process. Also am happy with Cosmi, Toney, Adebo and of course, Carter. We’re real early in the process, but now that we have a coach, we can start to game out prospects that fit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetsons 2,309 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, Beerfish said: That was a great watch. To go along with the scheme you need some key players to make a lot of that work. You need a double threat TE, who can scare the other team in the passing game and be a great blocker. (Jets don't have one) You need a really good fullback (jets don't have one). You need a Qb who is exceptional at selling the play action pass fake. (jets QB's have not shown the ability to do this.) This is not to say we can;t get these players and coach them up but a lot of the success of these plays is due to players posing a threat. Wesco played a hybrid position in College, I would him give a shot & see how he does. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
QB1 1,350 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Mike McDaniel is the mastermind behind these runs. Hopefully some of it rubbed off on Lefleur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxman 539,351 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Definitely agree that once we went the Shanny offense route, we can probably rule out Najee & Etienne. Day 3 RB's are far more likely. The Shanahan tree speaks to this. Shanny Senior was a master at this. Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick and ran for over 2,000 yards. He gets hurt, no problem. Plug and play. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68JET11 1,053 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 15 hours ago, Alentador31 said: TY Johnson will have a breakout year in this scheme I agree... I'm not sure people noticed how aggressively he was hitting the holes in the game where he replaced Gore, but I couldn't believe why GASE wouldn't have played him more. I believe our 3 RB's are plenty for this offense. We need help in other places much more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68JET11 1,053 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 18 hours ago, jetsons said: Hopefully Lafleur learned from McDaniels & will implement similar concepts here. I don't see why not, they basically were both employed for the same 4 years on the 49's. They are similar in age, and I'm guessing Saleh would have chosen McDaniels instead if he thought Lafleur wasn't up for the challenge. Obviously everyone can fail, but how can he be any worse than GASE. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BCJet 2,874 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 hours ago, jetsons said: Wesco played a hybrid position in College, I would him give a shot & see how he does. I really like Wesco and feel like he was really under utilized by Gase. The issue is he is 265 lbs whereas Kyle Juszcyk is 235. I think we can get more from Wesco as a TE and blocker, but im not sure if he has the agility to be a zone type FB. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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