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16 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Robert Saleh has always run a 4-3 Over/Under "Hybrid" Cover 3 (Think Seattle). Here's an article on his specific preferred system. I think this will be a MASSIVE benefit to Q. 

 

https://ninernoise.com/2017/07/05/49ers-film-robert-saleh-4-3-defense/

Why the 49ers' defense stopped using the Seahawks defensive scheme.

 

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10 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said:

Wide 9. Yannick Ngauke would be a perfect fit. 

Wide 9 isnt a defensive formation,  it just designates what technique/position the DE is set in. And unless you have a DE with a closing speed comparable to a Top 10 type guy, it's not ideal.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Wide 9 isnt a defensive formation,  it just designates what technique the DE is set in. And unless you have a DE with a closing speed comparable to a Top 10 type guy, it's not ideal.

 

 

Just throwing this out there......isn't Zunigna an athletic freak, tested way up on all those pre draft type of metrics? I know, always hurt, but fits the bill.

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It wasn’t just about the defensive front. He changed some of the principles he was familiar with from Seattle: 

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The San Francisco 49ers’ defense will have a new look in 2019, and the team hopes their new scheme, when combined with their offseason roster additions, will result in success for a group that has underperformed over the past two seasons.

As for the 49ers’ defensive changes, it’s unclear whether Saleh had any say in the process. When asked why the team decided to transition to a “wide-nine look,” Saleh’s answer wasn’t that of a decision-maker:

With the way Kocurek is teaching, I just like the decisiveness, the lack of grey area, the conviction and the tenacity at which they play…Dan Quinn [and] Todd Wash had a certain style…and Kocurek has a certain style to him. But, the common denominator to all of them is that they have such great conviction in the way they teach that it works.

While all three coaches are defensive line specialists, Quinn and Wash were Saleh’s superiors during Saleh’s time in Seattle and Jacksonville. Kocurek technically works under Saleh, but it doesn’t appear the 49ers’ schematic change was Saleh’s decision to make.

If San Francisco chooses to utilize wide-9 technique defensive ends as reported, the 49ers’ defense will function differently than it has under Saleh during his two-year tenure with the team. Instead of the 4-3 under/over hybrid defense Saleh has used exclusively during his time as an NFL coach, the Niners’ 2019 defense is expected to look more like a traditional 4-3 over front, with three stacked linebackers off the line of scrimmage.

Essentially, what was a 5-3 defense will now be a 4-3, or perhaps a 4-4 defense, depending on the situation. With the SAM linebacker now off the ball, the 49ers’ strong safety won’t replace the SAM LB in the box, which will make the team’s two safeties more interchangeable.

Each of these changes comes with a set of pros and cons, and time will tell if the new scheme will help the 49ers’ defense improve in 2019. Saleh may not have made these key decisions, but in the end, he will be held responsible for the team’s defensive success.

When you switch to a wide 9 front you have to switch the alignment of the LBs as well because they have to attack those gaps differently....
 

https://ninernoise.com/2019/06/14/49ers-wide-nine-defense-robert-saleh-scheme/2/

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Get ready to hear the word LEO a lot.

I think it's what we'll emphasize a lot.  Big, strong, stout 5 tech and 1 tech that occupy blockers.  They don't really penetrate but you want them to require double-teams to stay still.  This frees up other guys such as..... your 3 technique, Quinnen Williams and the LEO outside (DE/OLB).  A guy like Ngakoue as mentioned above would be a good fit.  In SF under Saleh it became Nick Bosa even though his hand is in the dirt most of the time.  In Seattle's LEO where this defensive system kinda came to fame it was Cliff Avril, Bruce Irvin, etc.

Looks like a 4-3 but isn't necessarily.  The LEO moves and isn't always down.

I'd suggest watching the whole thing but as per the LEO topic go to 6:55...

 

 

 

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He made other changes to he Seattle defense such as de-emphasized single high safety, but the wide 9 is connected to the defensive formation in that the LBs are responsible for such huge gaps... the wide DEs aren’t just pass rushers they also have contain whereas in other formations the OLB or even DB have contain. The wide 9 DEs theoretically funnel the play inside towards the attacking LBs and interior DL.

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6 hours ago, carlito1171 said:

Yea he switched to a wide 9 front Last year and was able to plug in Bosa and Dee Ford. 
 

Hopefully we’ll get him his own terror off the edge soon, maybe not this year but the year after 

Well for this season lets see if Saleh can make pass rushers out of Zuniga, Huff, Luvu, etc.

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2 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

The Jets will need to draft better LBs to run Saleh’s D.

I think different LB’s, but I was surprised to see their starters (and I didn’t think I saw any injuries at LB) were a 2018 third round pick, 2019 fifth round pick, and 2019 UDFA.

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7 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Get ready to hear the word LEO a lot.

I think it's what we'll emphasize a lot.  Big, strong, stout 5 tech and 1 tech that occupy blockers.  They don't really penetrate but you want them to require double-teams to stay still.  This frees up other guys such as..... your 3 technique, Quinnen Williams and the LEO outside (DE/OLB).  A guy like Ngakoue as mentioned above would be a good fit.  In SF under Saleh it became Nick Bosa even though his hand is in the dirt most of the time.  In Seattle's LEO where this defensive system kinda came to fame it was Cliff Avril, Bruce Irvin, etc.

Looks like a 4-3 but isn't necessarily.  The LEO moves and isn't always down.

I'd suggest watching the whole thing but as per the LEO topic go to 6:55...

 

 

 

But it's also EQUALLY important to note that the Jets do NOT have the necessary personnel to run such a scheme? Hell, the Jets don't even have the personnel to run their own schemes. Hence, the reason why they had such poor defensive rankings this season. It's going to a while before we see a close semblance on the Walsh's product in SF.

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8 hours ago, Larz said:

He may hire a DC and hopefully will coach to the talent 

Checks current roster....never mind don't do that.

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