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Yikes

I watched and this is not true and the splits back me up.  He threw for more yards in the 1st half of games then he did in the 2nd, he had 15 TDs in the first half vs 21 in the 2nd.  He had 700 more y

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7 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

Must have something to do with JJ Watt's "grit".

No, it probably has more to do with JJ Watt is a shell of the player he was & Deshaun Watson is the true face of the franchise, only 27 years old & easily a top 10 QB in a league that gets more press than any other. But carry on.

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Ok. Here we are again Jet fans at a crossroads in our storied history of failure for 52 years & we are arguing over sending DRAFT PICKS to obtain a true Franchise QB who has proven himself in this league & who I have seen take the Texans on his back & win games even though his team was outgunned. I've seen him go into Gillette & put a scare into the Patriots a few times, even though he came out on the short end he stood out as a player that had arrived. He's smart, he's got eyes in the back of his head in the pocket, he's gotten better each year under extreme adversity & stupidity by ownership. This is the NEW YORK JETS chance to get lucky & find our Drew Brees similar to the Saints lucking out years ago obtaining a franchise QB. Imagine if Miami didn't screw up & picked Brees instead of Culpepper? 

Now imagine Miami getting Deshaun Watson. Anyone here who thinks that the Jets should not trade for Deshaun Watson but in the same breath say they don't want to see him in the same division playing for Miami are nuts! 

If Deshaun Watson is available? And we don't do everything we can to keep him from getting to Miami, you know damn well that if Belichick stays on in New England & finds a QB, the Jets will go through another 20 years of looking up at everyone at 7-9, 8-8 for years. 

Just what we need. Josh Allen & Deshaun Watson playing in our division, 2 guys we passed on in consecutive years just like we passed on Dan Marino haunting us for another decade & a half! I don't know if I could take it? 

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12 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

My understanding of the situation is that it's not about social justice. The owner told Watson he'd be consulted during the hiring of the GM and coach going forward and then failed to do so, hired a GM without consulting with Watson, and did not even ask for an interview for the coach that Watson recommended. That's broken promises or lies on the part of the organization, and Watson feels betrayed.

The wisdom of the Texans making that promise in the first place is definitely worth debating, but after having agreed to it, it's absolutely understandable why Watson would be upset. 

BTW, I notice you still have a 'Fire Bowles' avatar... and not a 'fire Gase' avatar...

 

Yeah I wrote this a day or two ago. May have been dumb to open that door in the first place, but once he did it then it was 10x dumber to turn around and reneg on it. 

10 hours ago, Pac said:

How many 1st rounders is too much?  Saying I'd trade Seattle's firsts as well as an additional 2nd OR the 2nd pick overall and a 2nd is not a "bit".

Why not give them 10 first rounders?  That oughta get er' dun.

10 first rounders. Serious discussions here.

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5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Was way behind last night so catching up this morning. 10 pages in someone finally posted it.

Watson is $29.4MM/year for the next 5 years, not $40MM/year.

That’s still an incredibly high number for a guy we will be trading multiple first round picks for

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1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

That’s still an incredibly high number for a guy we will be trading multiple first round picks for

Not really, it isn't. It's less than it seems on the surface, but I was going to outline that in another thread.

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10 hours ago, addage said:

The guy who throws a tantrum saying "TRADE ME"

Watson is one of the most upstanding players in the entire league. Pay attention to what is really going on here. Houston's ownership is a complete disaster.

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2 hours ago, Jetster said:

No, it probably has more to do with JJ Watt is a shell of the player he was & Deshaun Watson is the true face of the franchise, only 27 years old & easily a top 10 QB in a league that gets more press than any other. But carry on.

He's 25

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

That’s still an incredibly high number for a guy we will be trading multiple first round picks for

If Sam Darnold becomes the FQB you want him to be, how much do you think he'll want to get paid starting in 2022?

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Not really, it isn't. It's less than it seems on the surface, but I was going to outline that in another thread.

Plus -- correct me if I am wrong -- the Jets could opt to restructure him and accelerate a bunch of his salary into a bonus and take a huge cap his this year to limit his cap impact even further in future years (I believe the rule is you can pro-rate the bonus evenly over the years of the contract, but don't have to). We don't need that money to extend anyone in-house and I don't know if JD is even interested in that much value in FA contracts.

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I have been a fan of bringing back Darnold and rebuilding the rest of the team, but when a  player like Watson becomes available, it's a no-brainer.  You need to do your do diligence.  This is a major upgrade, and that comes from someone who thinks that Darnold is going to be a solid player in this league with the right players and offense.

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12 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Yeah he is real great guy holding a franchise hostage to hire someone for social justice **** out of here.

 

You might want to wait for those pesky little facts here.  You don't know that hes holding the franchise hostage.  Its just really fits the narrative to say he has.  

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I dont typically watch the silly sports talk shows but I'm tuning in this morning strictly because of this story and like, ummmmm, this is happening.  Watson is done with Texans.  Or at least, it sure seems that way.  Like unanimously across the board all the dudes are like, Watson is never playing for the Texans again.

whoa whoa whoa

Dont blow this JD, dont blow this...

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9 minutes ago, jgb said:

Plus -- correct me if I am wrong -- the Jets could opt to restructure him and accelerate a bunch of his salary into a bonus and take a huge cap his this year to limit his cap impact even further in future years (I believe the rule is you can pro-rate the bonus evenly over the years of the contract, but don't have to). We don't need that money to extend anyone in-house and I don't know if JD is even interested in that much value in FA contracts.

They absolutely could, but it wouldn't really matter. First they'd do it as a roster bonus not signing bonus (same thing to the player - a giant lump payment - but RB is like salary and SB gets prorated/amortized over the remaining years). 

The only reason to do that is if they're coming up on the 4-year "time to count" year where the league sees to it each team has spent at least 89% of the salary cap for the past 4 years, and they're under and need to show more spending to avoid penalty. The last 4-year period I think was 2017-2020, and 2021 is y1 of the next 4-year period so there wouldn't be any reason to do it.

If his cap number is low in 2021 and they have leftover instead of paying him more cash this year, that leftover just forward over to 2022. 

If I'm wrong on some of this I welcome/invite someone to make corrections.

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5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

They absolutely could, but it wouldn't really matter. First they'd do it as a roster bonus not signing bonus (same thing to the player - a giant lump payment - but RB is like salary and SB gets prorated/amortized over the remaining years). 

The only reason to do that is if they're coming up on the 4-year "time to count" year where the league sees to it each team has spent at least 89% of the salary cap for the past 4 years, and they're under and need to show more spending to avoid penalty. The last 4-year period I think was 2017-2020, and 2021 is y1 of the next 4-year period so there wouldn't be any reason to do it.

If his cap number is low in 2021 and they have leftover instead of paying him more cash this year, that leftover just forward over to 2022. 

If I'm wrong on some of this I welcome/invite someone to make corrections.

Gracias for the (concise!) explanation

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3 hours ago, Jetster said:

only 27 years old & easily a top 10 QB in a league that gets more press than any other. 

Hes 0nly 25 and top 3

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2 hours ago, Philc1 said:

That’s still an incredibly high number for a guy we will be trading multiple first round picks for

Think if the Jets exercise Sam Darnold's option he would be $25 Million Dollars...... :) 

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I wasn't on board with this in the beginning since the Jets finally have loads of draft capital to improve the roster thru the draft. But how often is a Franchise QB that is under 26 available for trade? And furthermore how often are the Jets the favorite to land that guy?

F it get Watson in here, JD will most likely trade back from 23 or the 2nd round spot anyway so we can get back some capital. Imagine going from Darnold to Watson, that's a jump from ~31-32 to top 5.

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8 minutes ago, jgb said:

I am also skeptical. Look at the history of HOU starting QBs and put yourself in a Texan fan's shoes if they let Watson go. 

Houston fans are organizing a protest!!!

 

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HE'S OUTAAA THERE!!!! 

Their management is horrible!! :) 

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4 minutes ago, jgb said:

I am also skeptical. Look at the history of HOU starting QBs and put yourself in a Texan fan's shoes if they let Watson go. 

I don't mean "I can't believe" as in I disbelieve; there's so much chatter there's probably something to this more than imaginary "what if" speculation. They may still smooth things over but it's nuts for it to get even this far; that's the "I can't believe" part.

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Just now, jgb said:

I am also skeptical. Look at the history of HOU starting QBs and put yourself in a Texan fan's shoes if they let Watson go. 

Texans are in a lose- win scenario. They have no draft picks & no money. They won only 4 games last year. They actually need a reset because of the damage Bill Obrien did. JJ watt will be gone too. They missed their opportunity cycle having to play at Gillette & losing in the playoffs. 

Its been downhill since. 

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I don't mean "I can't believe" as in I disbelieve; there's so much chatter there's probably something to this more than imaginary "what if" speculation. They may still smooth things over but it's nuts for it to get even this far; that's the "I can't believe" part.

Ah, I understand. Bill O'Brien must be Titans fan.

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14 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Exactly right.

Mahomes...Rodgers...Watson.  That's your three best QBs.

You could argue Allen is knocking on the door but I'd like to see him repeat things next season before I anoint him.

That's the top of the QB mountain, and with Rodgers on the wrong side of 35, there's really no question that Watson is the 2nd best QB option in the NFL right now.  The chances of drafting a QB that's as good as Watson is pretty damn slim.  

He had an all world WR traded away and still managed to lead the NFL in passing yardage.  He also threw 33 TDs to only 7 INTs.  Thats a great year if its any of the three you mentioned.  

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

He had an all world WR traded away and still managed to lead the NFL in passing yardage.  He also threw 33 ads to only 7 INTs.  Thats a great year if its any of the three you mentioned.  

And led league in Y/A and Y/C and had his best season ever in every important stat: completion %, yards, TDs, TD %, INTs, INT %, QB Rating. The dude made it rain in a Hellstorm.

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7 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Really does feel like it's about to happen. Everything points towards him being a Jet.

Which is why he is definitely going to the Dolphins. 

lmfao - just got off the phone with one of my brothers and said the same thing. 

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