DeShaun Watson's Texans departure seems inevitable

[Wit]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

We all know where he's going unfortunately.

The #3 + Tua is much better than the #2 + Darnold.  Sure, the Jets could throw in the #23 or 34, but Miami can throw in the #18 or do some pick swaps.

 

The only wildcard is that Miami already screwed them in a deal that put them in this situation. 

[SR24]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

We aren't drafting DeShaun Watson 

right but it shows how you can still build a good team after sending the capital required for Watson

[SR24]

 

[David Harris]

If you have a chance to get Deshawn Watson then you do just about anything to do so. 

There is nothing Jetsy about getting an in his prime FQB. It’s the complete opposite.

Deshawn Watson signed 25 year old FQB >>>>Sam Darnold/Justin Fields/Zach wilson and a bunch of draft picks 
 

His cap hits would be less then what over the cap says due to Houston having to pat some of the signing bonus money.

[Seibelt]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

We aren't drafting DeShaun Watson 

Now that’s funny! Thank you for that one.

[FlightBoyz]

Watson currently in NYC 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

I'd be SHOCKED if this plays out.  This is not how JD rolls.  Putting Watson on this team as currently constructed is like paying for premium unleaded to run your lawnmower....

How do we know how "JD rolls"?  He's had one offseason here.  No one has any real clue what Douglas is going to end up doing at QB this offseason.  Not even @Mogglez or @football guy, who have great information but can only make educated guesses at this.  There's a ton of time between now and late April.

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Just checking, smart would be agreeing with you, and disagreeing with vast majority of everyone else?

As a reminder, unlike "the vast majority of everyone" here, I wanted to draft Watson out of college, and I was 100% correct about him and his pro potential. 

So no need to be a dick about it, eh.  

Smart would be evaluating the potential gain vs. potential the loss.

Smart would be looking at a cost of 3-4 first round picks of talent, vs. a QB who may or may not be what he was in Texas once he is here.

We're a team with a very low level of talent. Put Watson on this team as it is, great, we're still a 4-5 win team.  Just like Watson was this year.

It certainly could be the right move, Watson has to-date shown himself to be a Franchise QB.

But a Franchise QB on a talent-deficient team is still a loser. 

I'd love to have Watson, just like I wanted Watson back then.  But I want Watson on a team with talent, not on this team, and trading away all our top-end draft capital will hurt this team materially in the long term in terms of talent.

Sorry things aren't always as simple as "I've heard of him, so it must be a great move, get it done JD!". 

[Spoot-Face]

6 minutes ago, SR24 said:

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

Watson chews up a lot of cap room.  For a dude that rolled the dice twice and traded DOWN into Mims, Watson doesn't seem like a JD move.  More like a Tannebaum move IMO...

And we have more cap space than anyone other than the Jaguars (and we have a much stronger idea of what they're about to do at QB).  So what's your point?

This is all very unlikely but it's not impossible and it certainly isn't predicated on what Douglas did last offseason.  Last season was about clearing out bad contracts and adding a lot of draft picks.  This offseason he has the tools at his disposal to be very aggressive at improving the roster.

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, FlightBoyz said:

Watson currently in NYC 

Brooklyn 

[addage]

I am amazed at this thread. 

Did we not learn anything from Levon Bell and JA?

Why would we want to do all this again?  Definition of insanity. Repeat your mistakes but expect a different outcome.

Athletic ability is only one part of the equation. It’s why they have interviews. 

Don’t shortcut the process. JD and RS need to a build a core of players who will set the culture. Then you can add riskier personality types. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

This wouldnundo basically all the improvements we have made as a team. Done are the days thank God for wasting draft capitol at the expense of the team

Yes, adding an elite, 25-year old QB would most certainly unravel all of Douglas' plans for this team.  The horror.

Every GM out there craves finding the next Mahomes.  Barring that, they crave finding the next Watson.  A potential shortcut to that is something a competent GM has to explore.

[Spoot-Face]

4 minutes ago, FlightBoyz said:

Watson currently in NYC 

[Greensleeves]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

I'd be SHOCKED if this plays out.  This is not how JD rolls.  Putting Watson on this team as currently constructed is like paying for premium unleaded to run your lawnmower....

Clearly wouldn't be on this team as currently constructed. Geez.

[joewilly12]

Anybody in the bushes at Florham Park 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

With matt ryan atlanta won 4 games

with deshaun watson houston won 4 games

with herbert the chargers won 7 games

Cousins and stafford both decent QBs losing records.

If watson came to the jets and we had to give up rebuilding draft picks the jets would win.....4 games

Luckily, Watson wouldn't only be here 1 season.  There's plenty of time to build around him.  

Watson also made the playoffs the previous 2 seasons, but let's not talk about that because it doesn't suit this inane argument.  And to actually compare Watson to Kirk Cousins....wow.  Just wow.  

[Spoot-Face]

3 minutes ago, addage said:

I am amazed at this thread. 

Did we not learn anything from Levon Bell and JA?

Why would we want to do all this again?  Definition of insanity. Repeat your mistakes but expect a different outcome.

Athletic ability is only one part of the equation. It’s why they have interviews. 

Don’t shortcut the process. JD and RS need to a build a core of players who will set the culture. Then you can add riskier personality types. 

[Greensleeves]

3 minutes ago, addage said:

I am amazed at this thread. 

Did we not learn anything from Levon Bell and JA?

Why would we want to do all this again?  Definition of insanity. Repeat your mistakes but expect a different outcome.

Athletic ability is only one part of the equation. It’s why they have interviews. 

Don’t shortcut the process. JD and RS need to a build a core of players who will set the culture. Then you can add riskier personality types. 

Exactly who is the risky personality type?

[HawkeyeJet]

I just don't understand the viewpoint that you can't add Watson because the roster isn't ready.  

Without a good QB, no roster is ready.  By adding Watson you are solving the biggest riddle in tbe NFL and still likely have your "usual" bounty of picks over the next 3 years.

Trading for Watson isn't making the Jets window shorter, it's almost essentially guarantying they at minimum have a window, which is not a guarantee with keeping all those picks and drafting a QB(or whatever alternative route there might be).

Douglas has done a great job accumulating picks so that he can be flexible. 

This reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Peter foregoes the free boat for the lure of the mystery box.  "There could be anything in that box, even a boat!  You know how I've always wanted a boat".  Well just take the boat.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Tranquilo said:

When have the Jets traded a bunch of picks for a pro bowl QB in his prime?

It would be unprecedented in NFL history.  The Chargers and Drew Brees would at first glance be an example.  Except they didn't trade Brees, they allowed him to walk in free agency.  And I don't see a Phillip Rivers waiting on Houston's roster....

People keep trying to make comparisons to the Jets' past or Douglas' past on this one, and it's nonsensical.  It's never happened in NFL history so there's no reason to try to make a historical connection of any kind.

[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, addage said:

I am amazed at this thread. 

Did we not learn anything from Levon Bell and JA?

Why would we want to do all this again?  Definition of insanity. Repeat your mistakes but expect a different outcome.

Athletic ability is only one part of the equation. It’s why they have interviews. 

Don’t shortcut the process. JD and RS need to a build a core of players who will set the culture. Then you can add riskier personality types. 

The odds of Watson "being who he has been" is much higher than Bell "took a year off with a million miles on his tires" Bell, in fairness.

The problem I see is who is playing with Watson if we trade 3-4 1st round picks (or more) to acquire him?

Who is our #1 WR, something Watson desperately needs?  Who is our elite RB?  Who are are great O-linemen?

/shrug, maybe the Homers are right.  Maybe we WILL "just sign Robinson, Thuney, etc." and get Watson, and we'll be great.

I suppose it could happen.  The cycic that I am lols at that, but it could.

Or Watson could come here, be as unsupported as every other QB has been here, and see a major drop off in his production (and he's already shown himself a bit of a primadonna with all this drama so far about wanting out, a la a certain Safety we all know).

I don't know.  I really liked Watson.  We could have had him for a single 1st round pick.  It pains me we might have spent a 1 and 3x 2nd's to get Darnold instead, then spend 3-4x 1st round picks to get Watson now.  But no, that's not Jetsy at all.

 

[RedBeardedSavage]

All about avoiding developing a quarterback with this roster.

But Deshaun doesn’t need to be developed. He’s already a top 5 QB. 

Besides, you bring in Watson, and suddenly signing A Rob, Galloday or Godwin becomes far more realistic. 

Pull the trigger. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

As a reminder, unlike "the vast majority of everyone" here, I wanted to draft Watson out of college, and I was 100% correct about him and his pro potential. 

So no need to be a dick about it, eh.  

Smart would be evaluating the potential gain vs. potential the loss.

Smart would be looking at a cost of 3-4 first round picks of talent, vs. a QB who may or may not be what he was in Texas once he is here.

We're a team with a very low level of talent. Put Watson on this team as it is, great, we're still a 4-5 win team.  Just like Watson was this year.

It certainly could be the right move, Watson has to-date shown himself to be a Franchise QB.

But a Franchise QB on a talent-deficient team is still a loser. 

I'd love to have Watson, just like I wanted Watson back then.  But I want Watson on a team with talent, not on this team, and trading away all our top-end draft capital will hurt this team materially in the long term in terms of talent.

Sorry things aren't always as simple as "I've heard of him, so it must be a great move, get it done JD!". 

Say we did something like Daniel Jeremiah proposed in his tweet. 
We’d be giving them 3 first rounders. But still have one this year and next year. Plenty of draft capital moving forward to build this team out. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

The success the jets have had in the rex era was due to a great team not mark sanchez.

Even more of a reason to invest at QB.  Teams just don't win titles with C or D grade QB's.  Get the QB and all of a sudden it becomes a lot easier to build a contender.  The 2009-10 Jets were a unicorn type of roster.  You don't find teams with an elite OL AND elite defense anymore.  They don't exist.  

[jetscrazey]

7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Anybody in the bushes at Florham Park 

Sounds like Schefter is in the Florham Park bushes and Chris Mortenson is in the Miami bushes. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

We all want one. 

Do you want a winning team as well or just a good qb?

Why can't we have both?  It's not an either/or proposition.  

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Say we did something like Daniel Jeremiah proposed in his tweet. 
We’d be giving them 3 first rounders. But still have one this year and next year. Plenty of draft capital moving forward to build this team out. 

I'm sorry, I'm not on Twitter and didn't see it posted in this thread.  Can you repost it?

[Patriot Killa]

18 minutes ago, SR24 said:

 

Take it with a grain of salt but I’ve heard from my own little source that JD has already made a phone call to the Texans about Watson. Does anything materialize? Idk but it would make sense that he called if the Texans have already started thinking about partners & compensation.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

I'm sorry, I'm not on Twitter and didn't see it posted in this thread.  Can you repost it?

Cmon old man! 
I gotchu..

 

[Jetsfan80]

10 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

Clearly wouldn't be on this team as currently constructed. Geez.

It's like people forget all the draft picks and cap dollars this team has.

People argue all the time that free agents would never sign here.  Know what would attract someone like Allen Robinson or Chris Godwin to come here?  Acquiring Deshaun Watson.  

[BigRy56]

This is all fun and games until he’s in Miami and we’re dealing with him and Allen 4x a year 

[Patriot Killa]

14 minutes ago, addage said:

I am amazed at this thread. 

Did we not learn anything from Levon Bell and JA?

Why would we want to do all this again?  Definition of insanity. Repeat your mistakes but expect a different outcome.

Athletic ability is only one part of the equation. It’s why they have interviews. 

Don’t shortcut the process. JD and RS need to a build a core of players who will set the culture. Then you can add riskier personality types. 

Are Bell & Adams franchise QB’s who threw nearly 5,000 yards 33 TD’s & 7 INT’s with no team?

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Take it with a grain of salt but I’ve heard from my own little source that JD has already made a phone call to the Texans about Watson. Does anything materialize? Idk but it would make sense that he called if the Texans have already started thinking about partners & compensation.

This would be fantastic news if true.  Just the mere idea that Douglas is being proactive on this would give me a lot of hope.  

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Why can't we have both?  It's not an either/or proposition.  

Because it is much tougher to build a team with no high picks.

Watson comes where just swap the jets with houston, the team we are laughing at for being lousy and having no picks.

Like every single move, it all depends on the price asked.

In any case, i doubt very much if he i going anywhere.