Popular Post Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2021 Let's just simplify things people. We know that Justin Fields (doesn't fit the profile) and Zach Wilson (fits the WCO but with health and size issues) are question marks. Darnold's tenure has being filled with poor supporting cast, injuries and the worst coaching in the league. With so many unknowns, the only two players I would spend the #2 pick are on Watson or Sewell. We either get an elite QB or anchor the line and support for Darnold. There should not really be another plan with the #2 besides trading down. Trading down could fill many holes. Gambling on rookie QBs with question marks is risky and would not guarantee a success for at least 3 years. Darnold has experience and could shine under the WCO with better weapons. Anchoring the OL with Sewell and Becton would be scary for any DC. However, having an elite QB with some decent support would be my preferred option. Look at Brady, Brees, Maholmes and Rodgers. These guys are always in contention. It's time to spend on the highest priority. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Trade Down .. take wilson at 4-5Watson and his mega contract can go elsewhere thank you.Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app 9 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Trade Down .. take wilson at 4-5 Watson and his mega contract can go elsewhere thank you. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app Any elite QB demands that type of money. This is the most important position on the team. Unless you want to continue yelling at the TV on Sundays, we better address the QB position with the most reliable person, Watson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 NFL teams have draft picks and money to acquire players. Trades that require both almost never work out. Seattle overpaid for Adams, but he was was still on some rookie contract. Paying multiple 1s for Watson and his contract makes no sense. We can sign Prescott and keep the draft picks. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, varjet said: We can sign Prescott and keep the draft picks. I'm okay with the plan except his asking price and injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Any elite QB demands that type of money. This is the most important position on the team. Unless you want to continue yelling at the TV on Sundays, we better address the QB position with the most reliable person, Watson I'm not willing to cripple the roster for one guy that has been less than stellar in the playoffs.https://fansided.com/2020/01/04/deshaun-watson-playoff-performances-stats/Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cp561 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 We haven't even sniffed the playoffs in a decade... I'll take my chances with Deshaun once he helps us get there 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 68JET11 Posted January 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2021 We are not a Deshaun Watson away from having an elite team... Enough said. 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Very much depends on the Jets evals on the QBs available in draft and JD’s thoughts on how the draft will play out. If he doesn’t believe in Fields/Wilson/whomever of course he shouldn’t take a QB just to take one. One thing he must do in any scenario is have a QB plan. It cannot be Sam Darnold as unquestioned starter with no legitimate competition/backup plan. We can’t waste another year of Mims/other pass catcher development if Sam remains the same guy he has been. Even his most ardent defenders have to admit there is a chance (we can certainly debate the likelihood) that despite new coaches/support cast he does not make a significant leap. He has now been bad over 3 OCs and 2 HCs and was outplayed by Flaccostein, who everyone agrees is no great shakes at this stage of his career. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Ok, this is getting to be too much. Do you honestly believe Watson is going to be traded? Yes, there have been trades of talented QB's in the past but that was when the other team was presented with another option at the position. Can someone tell me what option the Texans have other than keeping Watson? So Watson is angry, Shefter thinks he has taken his last snap. He is angry about the Hopkins trade which btw did not exactly put Arizona over the top and he is angry about that he was not consulted on the GM hiring. He is a 25 year diva QB. This is what we want? We want him to bring that act here along with his 150 million contract as well as possibly all of our high draft picks for the next year or so? Any negotiation starts with the #2 pick and goes up from there. I honestly would rather take Fields if we have to use the second pick on a QB but I do not believe the Texans are going to trade Watson just because he is pissed off. He has been paid very well to play QB on that team. If I was the owner, I would be thinking the same thing. Take your money and stay in your lane. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: We are not a Deshaun Watson away from having an elite team... Enough said. We would still have draft picks and can sign free agents to build around him. We need a QB and he is already one of the best so it's a no brainer to try and get him 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cp561 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: We are not a Deshaun Watson away from having an elite team... Enough said. Not this year no, but if JD builds around him we can in a few years. We could theoretically have Deshaun for 15 more years if things works out and he stays healthy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, jgb said: Very much depends on the Jets evals on the QBs available in draft and JD’s thoughts on how the draft will play out. If he doesn’t believe in Fields/Wilson/whomever of course he shouldn’t take a QB just to take one. One thing he must do in any scenario is have a QB plan. It cannot be Sam Darnold as unquestioned starter with no legitimate competition/backup plan. We can’t waste another year of Mims/other pass catcher development if Sam remains the same guy he has been. Even his most ardent defenders have to admit there is a chance (we can certainly debate the likelihood) that despite new coaches/support cast he does not make a significant leap. He has now been bad over 3 OCs and 2 HCs and was outplayed by Flaccostein, who everyone agrees is no great shakes at this stage of his career. It cracks me up when people say things like hebhas been bad 3 OC's and 2 HC's. Like Bowels and Gase really helped him. Gase actually made Bowels look good. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cp561 Posted January 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Ok, this is getting to be too much. Do you honestly believe Watson is going to be traded? Yes, there have been trades of talented QB's in the past but that was when the other team was presented with another option at the position. Can someone tell me what option the Texans have other than keeping Watson? So Watson is angry, Shefter thinks he has taken his last snap. He is angry about the Hopkins trade which btw did not exactly put Arizona over the top and he is angry about that he was not consulted on the GM hiring. He is a 25 year diva QB. This is what we want? We want him to bring that act here along with his 150 million contract as well as possibly all of our high draft picks for the next year or so? Any negotiation starts with the #2 pick and goes up from there. I honestly would rather take Fields if we have to use the second pick on a QB but I do not believe the Texans are going to trade Watson just because he is pissed off. He has been paid very well to play QB on that team. If I was the owner, I would be thinking the same thing. Take your money and stay in your lane. If you know anything about Deshaun, this dude is a class act and hasn't ever caused any issues, and nobody has ever had a bad thing to say about the guy. Hes got respect from all his teammates and opponents alike. This is more of a Texans problem, theyre clearly an inept organization and have hit a nerve with Deshaun. Even Andre Johnson who I didnt even know was capable of speech, came out and slammed the Texans. Dont start labeling Deshaun as a malcontent now, hes not going to come to the Jets and cause issues, get serious 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I honestly would rather take Fields He is not fit for the WCO (spread zone and play action). Wilson is a better fit, but I'm concerned about his durability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, jbt said: We would still have draft picks and can sign free agents to build around him. We need a QB and he is already one of the best so it's a no brainer to try and get him Houston will want more than our #2, and for that reason alone it's a no brainer to walk away... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cp561 said: If you anything about Deshaun, this dude is a class act and hasn't ever caused any issues, and nobody has ever had a bad thing to say about the guy. Hes got respect from all his teammates and opponents alike. This is more of a Texans problem, theyre clearly an inept organization and have hit a nerve with Deshaun. Even Andre Johnson who I didnt even know was capable of speech, came out and slammed the Texans. Dont start labeling Deshaun as a malcontent now, hes not going to come to the Jets and cause issues, get serious Sorry, you need to call them as you see them. A QB does not make trade decisions and does not make decisions on GM hiring. Do you want your QB signing off on trades? You can't say this guy doesn't feel entitled. It isn't like they traded Hopkins and replaced him with Chris Hogan. They replaced him with Cooks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bronx said: He is not fit for the WCO (spread zone and play action). Wilson is a better fit, but I'm concerned about his durability. Let me ask you this. If the Jets were drafting TL and we hired a guy that was going to install an O that wasn't a perfect fit for Lawrence, do you not draft Lawrence or do you install an O he can play in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: They replaced him with Cooks. How did that work out for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Let me ask you this. If the Jets were drafting TL and we hired a guy that was going to install an O that wasn't a perfect fit for Lawrence, do you not draft Lawrence or do you install an O he can play in? I just don't see Wilson being an elite QB. On the other hand, Watson is an elite QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Taking Sewell is laughable and will never happen 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, QB1 said: Taking Sewell is laughable and will never happen Really? Dallas Cowboys are a prime example. Their OL was premier in the league during Tony Romo's tenure. It slowly decimate to a sorry line and we know the results. If we could anchor this line it would immediately impact our game. Sewell is one of the highest rated OL in years. I would be ecstatic if he was drafted at #2. Not a sexy pic, but one that would rip benefits for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Bronx said: Really? Dallas Cowboys are a prime example. Their OL was premier in the leage during Tony Romo's tenure. It slowly decimate to a sorry line and we know the results. If we could anchor this line it would immediately impact our game. Sewell is one of the highest rated OL in years. I would be ecstatic if he was drafted at #2. Not a sexy pic, but one that would rip benefits for years to come. We already have an elite potential LT we can trade down, acquire at least an extra 2nd this year and 1st next year. You can draft 3 O line with those picks which will have a much bigger impact than Sewell. Or you can take Smith/Chase/Pitts and two Oline with the picks, also much bigger impact. Taking Sewell at 2 is throwing this teams future away 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, QB1 said: we can trade down An option that I also support. But here, Patriots media reaction: Patriots: It might be time to panic if Jets trade for Deshaun Watson by Thomas Carannante3h ago 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Cp561 said: If you know anything about Deshaun, this dude is a class act and hasn't ever caused any issues, and nobody has ever had a bad thing to say about the guy. Hes got respect from all his teammates and opponents alike. This is more of a Texans problem, theyre clearly an inept organization and have hit a nerve with Deshaun. Even Andre Johnson who I didnt even know was capable of speech, came out and slammed the Texans. Dont start labeling Deshaun as a malcontent now, hes not going to come to the Jets and cause issues, get serious Two things can be true here. The Texans can be poorly run AND Watson could have become a malcontent. Saying he isnt going to cause issues if he comes here is wishful thinking at best, he is literally as we speak, causing issues on his current team because something didnt go his way (justified or not justified, this is reality). While I would love to have Watson the player on the field for us, I dont want Watson the personality as it seems to be evolving into borderline entitlement. While the motivations are different, what he is doing is a perfect 1 to 1 of what Jamal Adams JUST put us through last year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 If Joe Douglas can get Deshaun Watson, JD will get Deshaun Watson! Jamal Adams + ? for Deshaun Watson! Start molding JDs bronze statue for Florham Park Jets facility. Can you imagine an off season hiring Robert Saleh & trading for Deshaun Watson? Then signing Allen Robinson as his binkie? Oh, and still having our #23 and a 1st next year? This trade is a NO BRAINER if possible. And when you really think about it, if Watson relationship is broken, it's best for Houston to go immediately inoto rebuild mode with picks they acquire that they don't have and the cap relief to rebuild with a new GM? What's the worst that can happen? They go 4-12? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bronx said: How did that work out for them? Cooks had some big games and some others where he wasn't targeted. Near the end of the season Cooks was getting more consistent looks. I woukd say that Watson not going his way more than Cooks not working out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, Bronx said: I just don't see Wilson being an elite QB. On the other hand, Watson is an elite QB. I didn't ask you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 54 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: We are not a Deshaun Watson away from having an elite team... Enough said. Does that mean we shouldn't try? We're not any one play or 10 players from an elite team. The single most important piece to becoming a "elite team" is and elite QB. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: It cracks me up when people say things like hebhas been bad 3 OC's and 2 HC's. Like Bowels and Gase really helped him. Gase actually made Bowels look good. I don't understand your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 No way is Watson worth the #2 pick. im not sold on Wilson there at all either for these 3 options I vote trade down and get a WR 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I agree I would trade down. Team has a lot of holes that can be filled very quickly within these next two draft with many premium picks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Larz said: No way is Watson worth the #2 pick. im not sold on Wilson there at all either for these 3 options I vote trade down and get a WR So Sam can have another playmaker he wont throw too. Sounds like a great plan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted January 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Cooks had some big games and some others where he wasn't targeted. Near the end of the season Cooks was getting more consistent looks. I woukd say that Watson not going his way more than Cooks not working out. Yes because that's exactly what elite QBs do. Take away their favorite weapon (either via defensive scheme or front office idiocy) and they just spread it around more and hurt you in another way. Watson had the most yards, the most completions, the most TDs, the highest completion %, the highest TD %, the highest rating, and the least INTs and lowest INT % of his career all without Hopkins. All while leading the league in Y/A and Y/C. The Texans also had the #32 run game in the league and according to PFF, the #23 rated OL. This dude is a mega elite stud. You'd have to be Sam Darnold's mother to forgo the opportunity to bring him in. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, JTJet said: Two things can be true here. The Texans can be poorly run AND Watson could have become a malcontent. Saying he isnt going to cause issues if he comes here is wishful thinking at best, he is literally as we speak, causing issues on his current team because something didnt go his way (justified or not justified, this is reality). While I would love to have Watson the player on the field for us, I dont want Watson the personality as it seems to be evolving into borderline entitlement. While the motivations are different, what he is doing is a perfect 1 to 1 of what Jamal Adams JUST put us through last year. This, absolutely has to be taken into consideration. We really don't know what went on there and who's wrong or right... But things are certain to go wrong on any team and there will be plenty of times when our QB will not agree with what the front office and ownership do. That is just a fact. is this a unique situation or is this what we'll have to expect from him? Will all decisions have to be approved by our 25 year old QB? Which ones will he determine he needs to be a part of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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