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Most Divisive Jets QB Debate of the 2000s


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21 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

 

Which debate?

Pennington v Testaverde

Pennington v Clemmens

Pennington v Favre 

Of the three I think him taking over for Vinny was the one that divided the fanbase the most.

The only controversy about taking over for Vinny was the amount of time it took to happen.  When he took over the team was really struggling early in 2002 so there weren't any issues with him taking over.

Chad's issue was health, when healthy he was really good but he was rarely healthy.  

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Pennington and it's not even close.

Please.  It was obvious that Chad Pennington was a limp, glass noodle more consumed with his completion percentage than actually making plays to win games.  Universally hated. Mark Sanchez is the

No debate.  It's Pennington by a mile. The Penningtolists vs. the ACM (Anti-Chad Militia)?  It was like Israelis vs. Palestinians.  Nobody ever budged.  

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6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

The only controversy about taking over for Vinny was the amount of time it took to happen.  When he took over the team was really struggling early in 2002 so there weren't any issues with him taking over.

Chad's issue was health, when healthy he was really good but he was rarely healthy.  

That's not accurate. Fan base loyalty to Vinny was strong. It only became less of an issue when they started winning. 

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5 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

That's not accurate. Fan base loyalty to Vinny was strong. It only became less of an issue when they started winning. 

I disagree with you.  '98 Vinny never returned and fans wanted to move on. The big controversy was why was it taking Chad so long? Most fans didn't think Chad was good because of that and again when Chad took over the Jets were playing awful football(wasn't all on QB, they had a million injuries).  They were 1-3 when Chad started his first game and were outscored 102-13 in the 3 straight losses before his first start.  People were not upset he was starting at that moment.

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Bad poll.

Geno and Fitz are the same argument. Not two separate arguments.

Lol there’s merit to that I was mostly thinking about his hardball negotiating and Macc caving to bring him back for another year

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3 hours ago, y2k8 said:

 

Which debate?

Pennington v Testaverde

Pennington v Clemmens

Pennington v Favre 

Of the three I think him taking over for Vinny was the one that divided the fanbase the most.

Pennington vs his throwing arm. That was the only debate.

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5 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Pennington vs his throwing arm. That was the only debate.

Him not being able to beat a decent defense wasn't only due to his arm strength, Max.  

Time to fire up the debate again!

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12 minutes ago, Maxman said:

They deleted a lot of stuff for strange reasons.

You should let Greenbean interview you on the history of JN including the old days and all these stories of stuff on JI.......would be his most watched video, ever.

SAR I

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45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Him not being able to beat a decent defense wasn't only due to his arm strength, Max.  

Time to fire up the debate again!

Well now that the weekend/holiday is over, I'm suddenly finding far more motivation to engage in the same tirelessly endless "debate" over the wide variety of ways that the noodle was terrible, between the hours of 9 and 5.  What a weird coincidence, huh?

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10 hours ago, Maxman said:

  The other site was deleting posts if you were knocking Coles because he was using the board to get dates.  

wut?

I have no recollection of that if you mean JI lol, had to be on the QT if so

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1 hour ago, jetswin said:

wut?

I have no recollection of that if you mean JI lol, had to be on the QT if so

Yep, tons of missing posts there. Not sure if it's simply a financial thing (paying to host a dead site with archives) or because they wanted to clean some of it up - but lots of posts missing.

ACM vs. Penningtologists was easily the most bloody war in Jets history. I distinctly remember the exact moment where I finally stopped apologizing for that duck throwing douche and switched over full blast to the ACM: the 05 Divisional round. Made the trek back home during my freshman year of undergrad to watch the game with my dad, uncle and younger brother. After Tongue picked off Big Ben for a pick-6 to put the Jets up, the steelers drive down the field and once again the Jets force a turnover. It was the beginning of Q4. The D was rolling and it was Big Ben's 1st or 2nd year in the league so he was still young. All Penny Boy Wonder needed to do was bleed the clock and pick up a few first downs to really put a stake in their hearts...maybe even get in FG range. Instead, he goes 3 and out. THat was it. That was the moment. I had never ever been as angry at a sports figure in my entire life. I ******* despised him after that 3 and out. 

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5 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I disagree with you.  '98 Vinny never returned and fans wanted to move on. The big controversy was why was it taking Chad so long? Most fans didn't think Chad was good because of that and again when Chad took over the Jets were playing awful football(wasn't all on QB, they had a million injuries).  They were 1-3 when Chad started his first game and were outscored 102-13 in the 3 straight losses before his first start.  People were not upset he was starting at that moment.

This is my recollection, as well. 

 

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1 hour ago, jetswin said:

wut?

I have no recollection of that if you mean JI lol, had to be on the QT if so

It did happen, I don't think it was systematic. But Coles was close to the powers that be. So he did get some preferential treatment for a short time at least.  :)

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2 hours ago, jetswin said:

I will forever remember Tx for his coining of "noodle arm" at least I think it was him

I think it was but I wasn't sure. Kind of funny.

I miss TX, talked to him recently.

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1 hour ago, jetswin said:

wut?

I have no recollection of that if you mean JI lol, had to be on the QT if so

soothpete.jpg

Do you have the jetswin version of this?

SAR I

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23 minutes ago, Maxman said:

It did happen, I don't think it was systematic. But Coles was close to the powers that be. So he did get some preferential treatment for a short time at least.  :)

wow...I totally missed that (amongst other things lol)

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Just now, jetswin said:

ha was there one?

It was a signature thing back in '07.  Someone else adopted you, I got stuck with Pete (yuck).

SAR I

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Just now, SAR I said:

It was a signature thing back in '07.  Someone else adopted you, I got stuck with Pete (yuck).

SAR I

something else I completely do not recall...you guys are a riot

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Isn't it amazing how the smart people on the board always end up being proven right in these QB debates?  The anti-Chads, Sanchez's, and Geno's all ended up right in the end.  And they'll end up right about Darnold being terrible, too.

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33 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Isn't it amazing how the smart people on the board always end up being proven right in these QB debates?  The anti-Chads, Sanchez's, and Geno's all ended up right in the end.  And they'll end up right about Darnold being terrible, too.

The anti Chads and Sanchez's were proven wrong

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38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Isn't it amazing how the smart people on the board always end up being proven right in these QB debates?  The anti-Chads, Sanchez's, and Geno's all ended up right in the end.  And they'll end up right about Darnold being terrible, too.

Extremely likely, yes. 

 

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Isn't it amazing how the smart people on the board always end up being proven right in these QB debates?  The anti-Chads, Sanchez's, and Geno's all ended up right in the end.  And they'll end up right about Darnold being terrible, too.

I was anti-chad starting in '05 and anti sanchez and geno from before the draft, but wtf does that have to do with being smart? Congrats on all the wisdom I guess.

I wish I were wrong about any and all of them. 

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5 hours ago, jetswin said:

I will forever remember Tx for his coining of "noodle arm" at least I think it was him

 No he was the guy who called Matt Cassell Steve Young 2.0

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On 1/18/2021 at 11:59 AM, Irish Jet said:

I remember assuming he was popular among our fans when I signed up. I loved the guy.

It was a rude awakening.

@Barton vs @ECURB was serious craic. 

I won that debate hands down.

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11 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I disagree with you.  '98 Vinny never returned and fans wanted to move on. The big controversy was why was it taking Chad so long? Most fans didn't think Chad was good because of that and again when Chad took over the Jets were playing awful football(wasn't all on QB, they had a million injuries).  They were 1-3 when Chad started his first game and were outscored 102-13 in the 3 straight losses before his first start.  People were not upset he was starting at that moment.

My first post on a Jets site was a farewell Vinny post. SAR immediately responded, informing me with evidence that Vinny was, in essence, overrated and that my admiration was due only to the low expectations for Jets QBs throughout the 90’s.

A great early memory. SAR present at the beginning.

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