A look at a few posts from the Texans board

[T0mShane]

29 minutes ago, slats said:

This is where I’m at. If Watson wants to come here that much, and Joe Douglas can drive a hard (lowball) bargain to get it done, then by all means, he should go for it.

But I don’t want him mortgaging everything for just one player, even this one. I don’t think that was Douglas and Saleh’s plan, either. If they discussed Watson in their interviews, it was hypothetical at best. And they probably didn’t. What they did talk about was all the draft picks and cap room the Jets have this year. Will they change course and give up a massive chunk of all those assets just for Watson?
 
I continue to think they won’t. 

If you’re the new head coach of a team with no viable QB and your GM walks into your office and says “Hey, would you like Deshaun Watson on your roster tomorrow?” you’re likely screaming “F**K YESSSSSSS” before he even gets to the “-tson on your” part

[RedBeardedSavage]

13 minutes ago, slats said:

This is where I’m at. If Watson wants to come here that much, and Joe Douglas can drive a hard (lowball) bargain to get it done, then by all means, he should go for it.

But I don’t want him mortgaging everything for just one player, even this one. I don’t think that was Douglas and Saleh’s plan, either. If they discussed Watson in their interviews, it was hypothetical at best. And they probably didn’t. What they did talk about was all the draft picks and cap room the Jets have this year. Will they change course and give up a massive chunk of all those assets just for Watson?
 
I continue to think they won’t. 

What price are you comfortable with?

The #2, a first next year and a first in 2023. That's my max. It's a lot. But it only leaves us without a first rounder for one year (2023). 

Do you consider that mortgaging everything?

[jamesr]

1 hour ago, usanyj said:

They can’t even spell Lombardi correctly... they don’t deserve Watson... or the Lombardi trophy 

And they want to trade for "Quentin" apparently ...

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I feel like this whole thing is just going to lead to massive disappointment. We are Jets fans, after all.

This is almost certain to be the case.

There's very little chance a 25 year old, top 5 NFL QB ends up on the Jets - things like that just don't happen here.

With that said, it's still fun to talk about.  This was going to be a very slow month around here.  Not the case now.

I"m trying not to get excited about the thought of it, but it's hard to do...

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

This is almost certain to be the case.

There's very little chance a 25 year old, top 5 NFL QB ends up on the Jets - things like that just don't happen here.

With that said, it's still fun to talk about.  This was going to be a very slow month around here.  Not the case now.

I"m trying not to get excited about the thought of it, but it's hard to do...

I have already started self-cutting to prepare myself.

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

If I were a Houston fan I'd be a little pissed off at the way he is acting. Obviously I love it though, cause I want him on the Jets. But Watson is kinda acting immature about this. 

I agree..................... but did you read the SI article on the Texans, that changed my mind completely and let me know why he wants to get the heck outta there!!

Let's Go Jets!!!!!

[slats]

12 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

What price are you comfortable with?

The #2, a first next year and a first in 2023. That's my max. It's a lot. But it only leaves us without a first rounder for one year (2023). 

Do you consider that mortgaging everything?

Along with $35M/year? Yeah, just about. They won’t be able to get away with giving up “just” the #2 for this year, though. Cost -at the very least- the second rounder. 

[jeremy2020]

Jets Fans: Sam Darnold is a 100% lock to be a franchise QB for the next 15 years. You have to have one in the league today!

Jets Fans: Why can't we ever find that 15 year franchise QB?!! 

Jets Fans: I don't want to spend 3 1sts on him. I'd rather take a ~60% chance on each of those 1sts to turning into a solid, but not superstar starter. 

[slats]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I would exponentially increase their traffic and ultimately become a dangerous and influential thought leader among the fanbase. 

Are you hearing this, you dopey Mangini-ites? This is an admission! Don’t fall for this nonsense just because of the charismatic way in which it’s presented. He just enjoys controlling your simple minds! 
 
That goes for you Idzik and Gase guys, too, btw. 

[Barry McCockinner]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Jets Fans: Sam Darnold is a 100% lock to be a franchise QB for the next 15 years. You have to have one in the league today!

Jets Fans: Why can't we ever find that 15 year franchise QB?!! 

Jets Fans: I don't want to spend 3 1sts on him. I'd rather take a ~60% chance on each of those 1sts to turning into a solid, but not superstar starter. 

I mean, 60% * 3 = 180%

[RedBeardedSavage]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Along with $35M/year? Yeah, just about. They won’t be able to get away with giving up “just” the #2 for this year, though. Cost -at the very least- the second rounder. 

I don't understand why you're concerned with his salary?

FQB's have a cost, and we're in very comfortable cap shape.

I get that we're all being speculative... but what I'm asking you is:

You're the GM, if you were on the phone with the Texans today, what would be your final offer?

[32EBoozer]

34 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I would exponentially increase their traffic and ultimately become a dangerous and influential thought leader among the fanbase. 

To the Capital!!! Burn it all down!

[slats]

7 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I don't understand why you're concerned with his salary?

FQB's have a cost, and we're in very comfortable cap shape.

I get that we're all being speculative... but what I'm asking you is:

You're the GM, if you were on the phone with the Texans today, what would be your final offer?

Good question, I don’t know. 
 
Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about  18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? 
 
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. 

[peekskill68]

I wonder what it was like to be a Seahawks fan last year when some dude posted a JN thread on Jamal to their chatroom? 

[Bungaman]

8 minutes ago, slats said:

Good question, I don’t know. 
 
Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about  18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? 
 
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. 

One thing to consider: how bad would the Texans have been had he not been so good? Probably so bad they would have been picking first in this draft.

[nycdan]

2 minutes ago, Bungaman said:

One thing to consider: how bad would the Texans have been had he not been so good? Probably so bad they would have been picking first in this draft.

Ummm...no.  So bad that the Dolphins would be picking first in this draft.

[T0mShane]

17 minutes ago, slats said:

Good question, I don’t know. 
 
Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about  18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? 
 
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. 

If you’re having concerns about cap management, I know of an excellent NFL fiscal mind who recently came available this week. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Good question, I don’t know. 
 
Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about  18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? 
 
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. 

Fair enough.

It doesn't bother me to pay a quarterback 18% of the cap. I look at the teams still playing this season and 3 out of 4 have a QB eating up mega-chunks of cap space. 

And we agree that having a quality roster, coaching staff and organization around a franchise quarterback is a must in order to win anything. But I'd say having that quarterback is equally as important as those others, if not more. I believe Deshaun is one of those guys.

The Texans seem to have been a complete disaster of a roster, coaching staff and organization in 2020. Perhaps that's why they're 4-12.

I understand you needing time to think, but if I'm JD, I feel like the time is now - theoretically this could all blow over in a few weeks if they hire Bienemy, allow Deshaun to vent, maybe donate to the charities of his choice or give him more money. Who knows, right?

But right now tempers are high and the situation is a disaster... if i were Joe Douglas I'd be ruthless in trying to pounce on the opportunity before it fades. 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Damn dude, did Darnold kick your dog or something? Lol

[jetswin]

ftr a QB taking up 18% of your cap...10 NFL teams have a higher number for 2021

[Sperm Edwards]

14 hours ago, slats said:

Along with $35M/year? Yeah, just about. They won’t be able to get away with giving up “just” the #2 for this year, though. Cost -at the very least- the second rounder. 

Watson's average cap hit to his new team over the next 5 seasons would be $29.3MM/year ($146.5MM total).

Still a lot, but most playoff teams find a way to make that work. For a while it seemed the only secret sauce was finding a great (or good enough) QB to play at a high level while he was still on his rookie deal. No doubt it's wayyy easier that way, if you find one, but now so many of the best QBs have reached or are about to reach their next contracts, are playing at a high level for so much longer, and have outpaced the cap ceiling inflation in doing so, that it's evened things out a bit. It's not like several years ago where a handful of the best QBs were making $20-23MM per and no one else was close, while the cap ceiling was hovering around $120MM.

14 playoff teams, and most of them had QBs counting at least in the $25-35MM range, which Watson will be in.

1. Indy made the playoffs with $47MM in QB cap spending between Rivers & Brissett
2. Saints are in crazy bad shape going forward, but they kept making the playoffs with $31MM in cap dollars for their QBs
3. Seattle also bowed out early but it's because of bad moves other than keeping Wilson, not his $32MM cap hit
4. Rams have their QBs counting $30MM this year - and with Goff not exactly on Watson's level - and made the playoffs again.
5. Green Bay has Rodgers & the QB room artificially low for the year at $25MM. Next year it's $39MM. The Jets can push it off with Watson this way if they like.
6. Tennessee: Tannehill's cap number was $22.5MM this year. Next year it's almost exactly what Watson will average at $29.5MM
7. Tampa got a discount deal from Brady, but his $25MM is not incredibly far off from Watson's future avg.
8. Pittsburgh's $26MM QBs become $42.5MM next year. Again, the Jets can do this pay-it-later stuff if they want.
9. Washington made the playoffs with a 7-9 record because their division is a joke, not because their QBs were only $22MM not $29MM. So kind of who gaf.
10. KC = low. They have Mahomes early on his nearly half a billion dollar deal, but Mahomes's $5MM is the calm before the storm cap-wise so they didn't get neck-deep with some other players because that quintuples next year, and even more after that.
11. Cleveland = low, but not for very much longer
12. Buffalo = low, but not for very much longer
13. Baltimore = low, but not for very much longer
14. Chicago = who gaf? They suck and so does their #2 overall draft pick QB when he's not playing tomato can defenses. Will be interesting to see if they extend Trubisky after all.

Further, most of these numbers for these teams only grow more in 2021 and beyond (for those who'll still be competitive, which removes teh Saints right off the bat). Never mind how many other teams, who didn't make it this year, already have pricey veteran QBs: Detroit (or wherever Stafford lands), Vegas, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Dallas, and SF if they keep JG.

No doubt it puts some more pressure on Douglas to hit on more than his 2 highest draft picks per year, but that pressure exists for everyone who isn't planning on buying their way into the playoffs and then quickly fading.

Ultimately they need to find 1 high-end player on a low rookie contract for 4 more years instead of paying through the nose for that same one in FA, and then the Watson Tax is negated.

I think that Adams trade bought enough flexibility that it's doable (assuming it happens). In addition to the cap going back up in 2022 the Jets will also get another $15MM of cap relief on top of that with Bell + T.Johnson + Enunwa off the books.

Plus Douglas hasn't yet shown himself to be the shrewdest FA shopper anyway lol.

[thebuzzardman]

2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

I find message board opinions to be some of the most misinformed opinions in sport.

Second only to the ESPN?

[jetsrule128]

2 hours ago, flgreen said:

Those guys are minor league compared to @jetsrule128 Lets take up a collection for a plane ticket, he'll have the whole poop by monday

What did I miss ?

[static14]

52 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If you’re having concerns about cap management, I know of an excellent NFL fiscal mind who recently came available this week. 

[flgreen]

4 minutes ago, jetsrule128 said:

What did I miss ?

The board is looking for a bush wacker to go out to the Texans complex to get the inside scoop on Watson.

i just told them, your the man for the job.  Round trip tickets, and three Big Brother CD's.   

[jetsrule128]

3 minutes ago, flgreen said:

The board is looking for a bush wacker to go out to the Texans complex to get the inside scoop on Watson.

i just told them, your the man for the job.  Round trip tickets, and three Big Brother CD's.   

I can’t travel during covid 

[phill1c]

Someone mentioned Aaron Rodgers' 6-9-1 season to refute this. 

I think that if the GM believes the Jets can win with Watson, he pays him. the numbers you've quoted sound way south of Kirk Cousins, so a bargain if you ask me.

[J_Smith]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Good question, I don’t know. 
 
Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about  18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? 
 
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. 

For about 8 million less we can get a Jimmy G type talent and spend the remainder a serviceable corner.

 

I’ll take the superstar qb

[Wonderboy]

3 hours ago, Jetscode1 said:

Difficult choice.  All depends on price I guess.  

I'm going with two #1's, a Sam Darnold and a 3rd Bob. 

 

Bob:  By golly Wonderboy  'The price is right'.

[heymangold]

This gem from over on footballs future.

[Jet_Engine1]

2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Jets Fans: Sam Darnold is a 100% lock to be a franchise QB for the next 15 years. You have to have one in the league today!

Jets Fans: Why can't we ever find that 15 year franchise QB?!! 

Jets Fans: I don't want to spend 3 1sts on him. I'd rather take a ~60% chance on each of those 1sts to turning into a solid, but not superstar starter. 

But we might miss out on this generations Vernon Golston, Dewayne Robertson, Quinton Coples, Mohammed Wilkerson, Santana Moss, Kyle Wilson, Calvin Pryor...

[Embrace the Suck]

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I mean, 60% * 3 = 180%

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

How un-Jetsy if we could turn Jamal Adams into D Jackson..

Whos this D Jackson guy?

 

[Bungaman]

2 hours ago, nycdan said:

Ummm...no.  So bad that the Dolphins would be picking first in this draft.

Ah yes - I'd forgotten that pesky detail. I sit corrected.

[dcJet]

3 hours ago, slats said:

Good question, I don’t know. 
 
Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about  18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? 
 
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. 

Trades can be done now.  See Smith, Alex.