68JET11 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 No trade for Watson should start with this years #2... I start with both Seattle #1's and go from there. that would be much more palpable for most of us. Those who want him and those who don't think we should give away the farm. If like some posters say that we are in the drivers seat, then add something to Seattle's 2 1st's and stand pat. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashmouth Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 hours ago, slats said: This is where I’m at. If Watson wants to come here that much, and Joe Douglas can drive a hard (lowball) bargain to get it done, then by all means, he should go for it. But I don’t want him mortgaging everything for just one player, even this one. I don’t think that was Douglas and Saleh’s plan, either. If they discussed Watson in their interviews, it was hypothetical at best. And they probably didn’t. What they did talk about was all the draft picks and cap room the Jets have this year. Will they change course and give up a massive chunk of all those assets just for Watson? I continue to think they won’t. i have a strong feeling JD is just sitting back while this Implodes ... The leverage will be on our side and then I think JD would pounce. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dcJet Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, slats said: Good question, I don’t know. Good news is that no trades can be done until the start of the new league year, anyway, so I have plenty of time to think about it. The salary is a huge deal because it would represent about 18% of your total cap. That’s a LOT for a QB who just had a fantastic statistical season while his team went 4-12. Do I wanna blow two of my first three picks along with $15M in cap this year, $35M in cap and first rounders the next two years for that guy? Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think so right now. Three picks don't change this team as much as Watson. Pick any three years. (Adams, Darnold, Quinnen) for example. And those are the best three. Cap space? Without Watson helping recruit, we won't be able to spend it. See last 10 years. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 hours ago, FidelioJet said: This is almost certain to be the case. There's very little chance a 25 year old, top 5 NFL QB ends up on the Jets - things like that just don't happen here. With that said, it's still fun to talk about. This was going to be a very slow month around here. Not the case now. I"m trying not to get excited about the thought of it, but it's hard to do... Like waiting for Ashton Kutcher to Jump out and scream,” You been punked!” 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I know that is a small sample but I am surprised how willing they are to move on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Wonderboy said: I'm going with two #1's, a Sam Darnold and a 3rd Bob. Bob: By golly Wonderboy 'The price is right'. This is funny Bob. On many levels. You may be right, or not. Really wish the Macc Coffee had made this easier by just drafting him when he had the chance. I don't disagree that JD makes this kind of deal just think the haggling may take a while and Houston may just hire Bieniemy and make the whole point moot. I also have a general distrust of agents and the way the talking heads play the Jets in the media to better position their client. Won't be disappointed if it happens this way (price is right) but I'm doubtful till it happens. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Remember when Carmelo Anthony forced his way from the Denver Nuggets to the New York Knicks? The then GM Donnie Walsh didn't want to pay the exorbitant price tag, but owner James Dolan wasn't going to be denied, so he made it happen. Could anyone see JD balking at the Texans price tag, then Woody steps in and tells him to include the extra pick(s) to get Deshaun Watson in a Jets uniform? Gotta sell tickets and energize the fan base. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RutgersJetFan Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: I find message board opinions to be some of the most misinformed opinions in sport. This post is an attack on my personal identity and I won't stand for it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenbloodblitz Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 Many posters on this site Bang on our front office and call them inept. Yet you're willing to trade four 1st round picks + for one guy? Are you delusional? What happens if he tears his ACL or worse in the second game? Who are our offensive stars? Who are our stars on defense? How many players on this team would you consider NFL starters? Everything Joe Douglas has done has been a plan to set us up to fill out this roster and be competitive. You can't possibly give that all away and put all of your eggs in one basket. Not for one disgruntled albeit Superstar quarterback. That's just bad menu planning. Engine is leaking oil, bald tires, ripped seats, and your buying rims, stereo and tints? Ass backwards Captain! The only way I'm trading for the yummy candy is if the trade completely works out in OUR favor! Like the Seahawks first and 3rd this year and Sam Darnold or CJ Mosley who at this point I don't even consider ever being a Jet!! No way in hell I'm giving up multiple first-round picks that could turn into Edge rusher, cornerback, wide receiver, right tackle, left guard or another quarterback! We can draft a QB at 2, say Fields or Wilson, grab Matt Stafford for way less than DeShaun Watson and have an actual quarterback competition in Camp. Then we still have plenty of picks to add running back, cornerback, Edge rusher Etc. It's just so funny to me that you guys constantly complain about ownership, and then the second something like this comes up, 70% of the posters on this board are all in like crack fiends LOL! Slow your roll guys we'll consider it if the price is right. DeShaun Watson isn't saving this franchise by himself. Come to think of it who the hell is starting on offense and defense next year? Yeah that's what all those picks are for. Maybe Andrew Luck would like a second go around on a team that has absolutely nothing around him so he can get his ass kicked every game? 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 hours ago, FidelioJet said: There's very little chance a 25 year old, top 5 NFL QB ends up on the Jets - things like that just don't happen here. Things like this dont happen anywhere. Teams dont screw up with 25 year old FQBs, just doesn't normally happen. If they cant fix things between themselves and Watson and have to move him, we're a prime player in we have the need, the assets and the cap space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/should-we-trade-watson.115537/page-20 Sounds like the same ol Jet fans.....only in Texas. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 i believe the #2 pick this year, a #1 pick in 2021, and a #1 pick in 2022 will be the minimum that can possibly get this done (whether our picks or Seattle's in 2021 & 2022 are debatable) If JD is able to make it happen for those terms then I am ecstatic 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jetscode1 said: This is funny Bob. On many levels. You may be right, or not. Really wish the Macc Coffee had made this easier by just drafting him when he had the chance. I don't disagree that JD makes this kind of deal just think the haggling may take a while and Houston may just hire Bieniemy and make the whole point moot. I also have a general distrust of agents and the way the talking heads play the Jets in the media to better position their client. Won't be disappointed if it happens this way (price is right) but I'm doubtful till it happens. Its January 20th. April, draft day, not to far off. They don't have forever to make a decision as to whether they keep Darnold, trade him or go after Watson, or roll with Fields. Curious what everyone thinks will be the deadline regarding the QB position will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Things like this dont happen anywhere. Teams dont screw up with 25 year old FQBs, just doesn't normally happen. If they cant fix things between themselves and Watson and have to move him, we're a prime player in we have the need, the assets and the cap space. We're in no position to surrender our assets. We would truly be asses to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: We're in no position to surrender our assets. We would truly be asses to do so. I'm torn. We can easily make the argument that to pass on a ready made, proven FQB would truly make us asses. No matter what those assets bring back, if one of them isnt a FQB youre screwed, youre not winning with out one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 14 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said: They won't be getting QW. The Texans are sellers and they need to get what they can. The Jets have multiple firsts one of which being the #2 overall this year. The Jets have leverage if DW wants the Jets. The Jets will make a reasonable offer not a blockbuster offer. Three 1's at worst when you have 5 in the next three years isn't bad at all for a legit franchise QB that is only 25 years old. The money can be manipulated to make it work. Three first round picks is a blockbuster. 13 hours ago, T0mShane said: If you’re the new head coach of a team with no viable QB and your GM walks into your office and says “Hey, would you like Deshaun Watson on your roster tomorrow?” you’re likely screaming “F**K YESSSSSSS” before he even gets to the “-tson on your” part This is what happens here. People convince themselves the price will be too high before even considering the merits. They usually greatly overestimate the price and of course fail to consider opportunity cost and bust-factor of those magic bean lotto picks. Similar thing happened with Robby ("he's not worth $18M per!") and now Watson. It's back asswards. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, dcJet said: Trades can be done now. See Smith, Alex. Deals can be agreed upon now, but until the paperwork is officially filed (in mid-March, in this case), anything can happen. See Barr, Anthony. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Augustiniak said: yep, the jets should give the texans all their good picks so they're the texans with watson and the texans are the jets with all those picks. Agreed, the last 40 years of Jets football has proven that draft picks win super bowls not a franchise QB in his prime. Hopefully we turn some of these picks into the next Geno Smith, Nagle, Hack etc.. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, MykePM said: Deals can be agreed upon now, but until the paperwork is officially filed (in mid-March, in this case), anything can happen. See Barr, Anthony. I forgot about that scvmbag Barr. So many newer villains to hate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, 68JET11 said: No trade for Watson should start with this years #2... I start with both Seattle #1's and go from there. that would be much more palpable for most of us. Those who want him and those who don't think we should give away the farm. If like some posters say that we are in the drivers seat, then add something to Seattle's 2 1st's and stand pat. The reason we are "in the driver's seat" is because we have the most draft assets available to bid with. Being in the driver's seat does not mean you can underbid and win. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 8 hours ago, dcJet said: I forgot about that scvmbag Barr. So many new villains to hate. Jets player leaves for more money "disloyal greedy pig." Other team's player stays with their team for less money, "scumbag." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, MaxAF said: Sounds like the same ol Jet fans.....only in Texas. And they win their division almost every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: I'm torn. We can easily make the argument that to pass on a ready made, proven FQB would truly make us asses. No matter what those assets bring back, if one of them isnt a FQB youre screwed, youre not winning with out one. There’s been a number of FQB’s that have never won a SB let alone even been to one. It takes more than eggs and milk to make a cake. I had Chinese food today - that was the fortune cookie ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 If you don't put talent around Watson, we can expect a 4 win season. This team needs draft picks as much as it needs an elite QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Yet you're willing to trade four 1st round picks + for one guy? Are you delusional? i dont think anyone here WANTS to give them four #1s. just some of us like me think thats what its going to take. or more likely three #1s and a couple of 2s and if history has shown us anything about these type of blockbuster trades, players are usually involved. problem with us is we have nobody but Becton, QW, and maybe Mims that anyone would want. teams that make these trades are usually that one player away from a championship or two. they have a good roster and can afford to send back a decent player or 2. we can not. i wish we could get him for the 2 seattle picks and a couple of 2nd rd picks, but i think houston hangs up the phone on JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/should-we-trade-watson.115537/page-20 just curious as to what the Texans fan board want in a trade for Watson. we try to low ball it here cause thats to our advantage. i wonder how many draft picks they want in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouserJet Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 8 hours ago, 68JET11 said: No trade for Watson should start with this years #2... I start with both Seattle #1's and go from there. that would be much more palpable for most of us. Those who want him and those who don't think we should give away the farm. If like some posters say that we are in the drivers seat, then add something to Seattle's 2 1st's and stand pat. I mean.... how are you selling this to Houston? We'll keep our Top pick, have your QB, and you can have #22 and Sam? Adams is a Safety, it's not as valuable as a potential FQB. We all agree if we're getting DW, then we're having to give up #2 so that they can go claim a QB. Infact, i'd be astonished if we're not giving up Darnold, a minimum of 2 1st's (including #2) and more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Wonderboy said: There’s been a number of FQB’s that have never won a SB let alone even been to one. It takes more than eggs and milk to make a cake. I had Chinese food today - that was the fortune cookie ? That some havent made it to a SB isnt a reason to not do all you can to get a FQB. While theres the possibility that they wont make it, theres almost no chance you make it without them. There is no other position that you can say that about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 hours ago, dcJet said: I forgot about that scvmbag Barr. So many newer villains to hate. That scumbag did us a favor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, DJF71 said: If you don't put talent around Watson, we can expect a 4 win season. This team needs draft picks as much as it needs an elite QB. We need to keep that 2 pick and the 33 pick. Jets could draft Sewell and Etienne or Harris and have a fantastic running game that would set up Watson for success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ScouserJet said: I mean.... how are you selling this to Houston? We'll keep our Top pick, have your QB, and you can have #22 and Sam? Adams is a Safety, it's not as valuable as a potential FQB. We all agree if we're getting DW, then we're having to give up #2 so that they can go claim a QB. Infact, i'd be astonished if we're not giving up Darnold, a minimum of 2 1st's (including #2) and more. Watson has a no trade clause Offer both Seattle first round picks, Sam and even throw in a couple bs mid round picks Jets have all the leverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Wonderboy said: Its January 20th. April, draft day, not to far off. They don't have forever to make a decision as to whether they keep Darnold, trade him or go after Watson, or roll with Fields. Curious what everyone thinks will be the deadline regarding the QB position will be. What if we make this deal on 1 Mar for a similar package as you propose then Urban Meyer decides to draft Fields. Still happy? Deals like this require a fair amount of processing unless the ownership decides and just tells JD to make the deal at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 hours ago, MaxAF said: Sounds like the same ol Jet fans.....only in Texas. Texans owner is trying to outwoody Woody 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jetscode1 said: What if we make this deal on 1 Mar for a similar package as you propose then Urban Meyer decides to draft Fields. Still happy? Deals like this require a fair amount of processing unless the ownership decides and just tells JD to make the deal at any cost. I don’t think they would have a problem with Trevor Lawrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 hours ago, More Cowbell said: I know that is a small sample but I am surprised how willing they are to move on. Haven’t seen any “screw him if you don’t wanna be here!” posts. AKA the Jets fan go-to self-soothing response. 8 hours ago, Wonderboy said: We're in no position to surrender our assets. We would truly be asses to do so. “Surrenders” implies giving up. You’d be getting something in return, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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