More Than Just a big Salary, Mosley Presents Jets With Even Bigger Questions for 2021

[Fantasy Island]

2 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Besides opting out of a pandemic year after having groin surgery, what makes you think that he is going to Bolivia? 

They wouldn't want him, Bolivians are hard workers.  

[RJIII]

Get rid of this püssy! 

[clayton163v]

5 hours ago, NYJ37/12 said:

Cut your losses with him, move on

We married him.  It is too late to move on.  We are committed.  Let's hope he still has the desire to be great. 

[NYJ37/12]

38 minutes ago, clayton163v said:

We married him.  It is too late to move on.  We are committed.  Let's hope he still has the desire to be great. 

haha, it feels that way but some divorces are expensive for a reason, they are necessary 

[Jet Nut]

5 hours ago, Larz said:

Lev bell comes to mind. Just hard to keep that edge. I hope you're right, that one half he played was super amazing lol

Completely different position though.  Add in the mentality of a defensive player over a skill guy.  Maybe, lol

Its all about does he still have the drive.  If he does the time off will not change a thing, might help.  If he's lost it wont make a difference.  

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

4 hours ago, LionelRichie said:

Doesn't seem like he wants to play football anymore.   What happens if he just fades into bolivian and retires?   

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

2 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

They wouldn't want him, Bolivians are hard workers.  

This would be funny if Mosely was known as a loafer. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

My conjecture is that he made his decision based on not being fully healed, the pandemic, and the thought of playing for Gase while not 100% during a pandemic. He made the right decision for himself and the team. He might start off slow, but he will play well once he gets back into game shape. 

[Ruby2]

Sacrifice him at midfield opening day to send a message

[Prodigal Syndicate]

If hes even 75% of the player he was in that buffalo game he would be one of our best players still.

 

I hope he has a big comeback year.

[Jetsfan80]

8 hours ago, NYJ37/12 said:

Cut your losses with him, move on

Financially impossible.  The only way Mosley is not on the 2021 Jets is if he retires.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, NYJ37/12 said:

haha, it feels that way but some divorces are expensive for a reason, they are necessary 

It would cost more to the Jets for him NOT to be on the team in 2021 ($12.5M) than it would to keep him ($7.5M).  

He's going nowhere.  

[Jets Voice of Reason]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Financially impossible.  The only way Mosley is not on the 2021 Jets is if he retires.

The gift that never stops giving. 

[kevinc855]

9 hours ago, freestater said:

Yea sure he’s to blame for Covid 

[addage]

The contract is already done. All you can do is manage the dead money. His level of play as it relates to his contract is also irrelevant. The money is locked in.

Two things matter. Does his level of play justify being on the roster?  And does his attitude and behavior help or hinder the team.

If those are yeses, then he stays. Otherwise he’s gone.

This is where Saleh can earn his paycheck. His coaching profile says he can get Mosley to buy in. If true, then maybe the Jets have a valuable player. 

[NYJ37/12]

31 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It would cost more to the Jets for him NOT to be on the team in 2021 ($12.5M) than it would to keep him ($7.5M).  

He's going nowhere.  

Good point, didn't know the numbers. Jets could afford the hit though. 

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

This would be funny if Mosely was known as a loafer. 

Gotta be there to produce.

[Maxman]

53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It would cost more to the Jets for him NOT to be on the team in 2021 ($12.5M) than it would to keep him ($7.5M).  

He's going nowhere.  

The match is quite simple actually. If the Jets draft a 5th round LBer that becomes the best of all time and he beats out Mosley, Mosley is still on the team as a backup. Completely made up scenario but you don't get rid of pro bowl players if it saves you no money.

The guy was hailed as a locker room leader. He got hurt in year one, he sat out in year two. He saw what Gase was doing. No way do you cut his to cut losses.

He could take two steps back and still be a really good linebacker. I totally agree with you, he is going nowhere. 

This is actually Saleh's first test, get something out of Mosley and turning this around just got a whole lot easier.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, NYJ37/12 said:

Good point, didn't know the numbers. Jets could afford the hit though. 

But why take the hit when there's no reason to?  Just as a "f**k you Mosley" move to make some fans happy?  That doesn't make much sense.  It wouldn't "send a message" to his teammates, either.  It probably would have the opposite effect.

The better option is to try to get as much as they can out of him under the new regime.  

[AFJF]

I've had this conversation with folks on here and other platforms and I'm honestly shocked at how many people see no reason why he might not be the same player.  Missed a full season due to multiple injuries and a surgery and is now in a system where he might be asked to cover more ground after two years off.  How the equates to "no reason he should be any different" is beyond me.

Might come back and play his best football ever.  But might also come back and be less than what he once was.

 

[SayNoToDMC]

He was a great player till he got paid F you money and stopped caring about football. Appreciate him choosing us as his post football retirement plan

[NamathToCaster]

Get rid of him, he'll never make it out of preseason.

[Skeet Ulrich]

Gotta say - that first half Week 1 2019 was certainly worth the $51M guaranteed he's got coming to him.

 

Didn't he also attempt to play in the Darnold 'ghosts' game?

[LionelRichie]

11 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Besides opting out of a pandemic year after having groin surgery, what makes you think that he is going to Bolivia? 

1) It’s Bolivian not bolivia

2) when he opted out didn’t he say something about taking the year off to find his flame or some other such nonsense?    Doesn’t sound like a guy who wants to play ball anymore.  

[Shockwave]

CJ Moseley could get traded this offseason and actually fetch a decent pick. We paid that roster bonus so his cap hit is like 7.5m(6m if traded) for a Pro Bowler in a year everyone will be cap strapped. Joe D is not going to want to pay him 15m in 2022 so a trade is a real option. 

Assuming he doesn't fit the 4-3 that is. 

[NYJ37/12]

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

But why take the hit when there's no reason to?  Just as a "f**k you Mosley" move to make some fans happy?  That doesn't make much sense.  It wouldn't "send a message" to his teammates, either.  It probably would have the opposite effect.

The better option is to try to get as much as they can out of him under the new regime.  

I have two reasons; first is he has now sat two years, difficult to play at the same level as before.

Second, I have no respect for a player who bails on his team and hides behind a pandemic. He didn't want to play, period. 

[Shockwave]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Financially impossible.  The only way Mosley is not on the 2021 Jets is if he retires.

Moseley's contract is SUPER tradeable. Sure he can't be cut but if he can't cover in the 4-3 expect him to be traded before the draft. He would likely fetch a decent pick too. 

We would have a dead money hit of 6m if traded and his cap hits for his new team next year would be 6m. Thats a great deal for a Pro Bowl player and would get us a mid round pick imo. 

 

 

[jeremy2020]

15 hours ago, Jethead said:

Why. Fresh legs. He didn’t forget how to play. Was never a speed guy. I think he will be a big contributor.

Yeah, just like Bell was fresh...

[Sperm Edwards]

Anyone’s negative feelings about him are irrelevant. Maccagnan gave him a contract with $51MM guaranteeed. Thus far they’ve paid him $29MM.

No one is picking up the remaining guaranteed $22MM he has coming unless the Jets sweeten the pot with one of our day 2 picks, which isn’t happening. Never mind that you’d lose even penciling him in as the Jets’ only starting LB entering FA.

The team isn’t in a position to cut starting players just to feel boastful. The only way he’s even cuttable in 2022 is if they think he’s not even worth a roster spot as a backup, since they’re paying him either way. 

Hopefully Saleh brings enough enthusiasm to the table turn this around, because they’re pretty much stuck with him for 2 more seasons unless he retires before then.

[Maxman]

4 hours ago, AFJF said:

I've had this conversation with folks on here and other platforms and I'm honestly shocked at how many people see no reason why he might not be the same player.  Missed a full season due to multiple injuries and a surgery and is now in a system where he might be asked to cover more ground after two years off.  How the equates to "no reason he should be any different" is beyond me.

Might come back and play his best football ever.  But might also come back and be less than what he once was.

 

Saleh has his first test. Lots of talk about building around talent. Hopefully they finally have a coach that can figure it out.

[Maxman]

47 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Anyone’s negative feelings about him are irrelevant. Maccagnan gave him a contract with $51MM guaranteeed. Thus far they’ve paid him $29MM.

No one is picking up the remaining guaranteed $22MM he has coming unless the Jets sweeten the pot with one of our day 2 picks, which isn’t happening. Never mind that you’d lose even penciling him in as the Jets’ only starting LB entering FA.

The team isn’t in a position to cut starting players just to feel boastful. The only way he’s even cuttable in 2022 is if they think he’s not even worth a roster spot as a backup, since they’re paying him either way. 

Hopefully Saleh brings enough enthusiasm to the table turn this around, because they’re pretty much stuck with him for 2 more seasons unless he retires before then.

What if Macc was just an affiliate networker and his clients were Mosley, Bell and Trumaine?  Am I missing anyone else?

[MaxAF]

22 hours ago, Jethead said:

Why. Fresh legs. He didn’t forget how to play. Was never a speed guy. I think he will be a big contributor.

I thought that about Le’veon too. ?

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

10 hours ago, LionelRichie said:

1) It’s Bolivian not bolivia

2) when he opted out didn’t he say something about taking the year off to find his flame or some other such nonsense?    Doesn’t sound like a guy who wants to play ball anymore.  

1) Did you mean Oblivion?  Bolivians come from Bolivia. 

2) If only there were a way to find out or search for something like that. 

 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, MaxAF said:

I thought that about Le’veon too. ?

Ouch!

[docdhc]

7 hours ago, Maxman said:

What if Macc was just an affiliate networker and his clients were Mosley, Bell and Trumaine?  Am I missing anyone else?

Here is  a few more, worst being Revis and Cro:

Free-agency scorecard for Jets' GM: Three years, $133 million, 20 wins

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By Rich Cimini
ESPNNewYork.com

	Mike Maccagnan pointed the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2015, his first season as GM, but a pair of 5-11 campaigns have followed.

Three years ago, Mike Maccagnan crushed his first offseason as the New York Jets' general manager, using free agency and trades to raise the team's talent base. The Jets won 10 games after a four-win season under the previous regime, and he was named NFL Executive of the Year by the Pro Football Writers of America.

In retrospect, that first offseason was like a sparkler on the Fourth of July: It dazzled, but faded quickly.

From 2015-17, the Jets doled out $133 million in guarantees for free agents -- the sixth-highest amount in the league, according to ESPN Stats & Information research -- and they don't have anything substantial to show for it.

A 20-28 record, no playoff appearances and no impact players remaining on the roster.

If past is prologue, the Jets could be in trouble, because they figure to be among the most active teams this offseason. They have plenty of holes to fill and a lot of money to burn. By the time they get done trimming the fat from the roster, they should have about $90 million in cap space at the start of free agency.

 

Maccagnan, who started to build a young base last season, needs to augment that with a killer free-agent class.

He believes there are intriguing options among players hitting free agency for the first time, so "they have a chance to kind of grow and develop," Maccagnan said at the end of the season. "Those players tend to be a bit more pricey sometimes, but I think from our standpoint, we’re going to try to build this not just necessarily to be successful next year, but to be successful next year and the year after."

A review of the past three offseasons shows that Maccagnan has a knack for finding value with second-tier free agents, but his big deals have busted. Perhaps he learned some lessons that could apply to next month's free-agent frenzy. (Note: The following list includes only key signings.)

2017

QB Josh McCown

Contract: One year, $6 million (fully guaranteed)

Outcome: Money well spent. The 38-year-old started 13 games, galvanized the offense and was named team MVP. It's too bad he isn't a few years younger.

LT Kelvin Beachum

Contract: Three years, $24 million (guarantee: $12 million)

Outcome: The Jets didn't want to splurge for one of the big-money tackles last offseason, so they settled for the reasonably priced Beachum, who missed only one offensive snap and delivered a solid season as a pass protector.

CB Morris Claiborne

Contract: One year, $5 million (guarantee: $2 million)

Outcome: They got Claiborne on the cheap because of his long history of injuries. It was worth the risk, as Claiborne wound up playing 82 percent of the defensive snaps. He proved to be a good No. 2 corner when healthy.

Re-signing their own: The Jets made a bold move before free agency, locking up guard Brian Winters for three years, $29 million ($15 million guaranteed). It was the right move. He didn't play up to his usual standard, probably because of a torn abdominal muscle, but he's still in the prime of his career.

2016

RB Matt Forte

Contract: Three years, $12 million (guarantee: $9 million)

Outcome: Desperate to replace Chris Ivory, the Jets overpaid for Forte, who was 30 at the time of signing. They had reservations because of a chronic knee injury, which ultimately hampered his ability to produce at his usual level. He probably will be cut in the coming weeks.

NT Steve McLendon

Contract: Three years, $10.5 million (guarantee: $4 million)

Outcome: They got him on the rebound after losing Damon Harrison. McLendon isn't Snacks, but he's a sound investment who actually improved once he got comfortable in the scheme.

Re-signing their own: It was a rough offseason for Maccagnan. He lost his best defensive lineman (Harrison), paid $12 million to re-sign a journeyman quarterback (Ryan Fitzpatrick) and gave Muhammad Wilkerson a five-year, $86 million contract ($37 million guaranteed) -- one of the worst moves of his tenure. His best move was re-signing running back Bilal Powell for three years, $11.3 million ($6 million guaranteed).

2015

CB Darrelle Revis

Contract: Five years, $70 million (guarantee: $39 million)

Outcome: In a word, awful. Revis made the Pro Bowl in 2015 (strictly off reputation), then fell off the proverbial cliff. The Jets cut him after two years, eating the final $6 million in guarantees.

CB Antonio Cromartie

Contract: Four years, $32 million (guarantee: $7 million)

Outcome: It made for a neat story, reuniting Cromartie and Revis, but the results never matched the hype. Cromartie was washed up, lasting only a year. The best thing about his deal was that it was structured in a way that didn't hurt the cap in subsequent years.

CB Buster Skrine

Contract: Four years, $25 million (guarantee: $13 million)

Outcome: The fans are on his case because he commits too many penalties, but at least he's still around. Skrine has played 80 percent of the defensive snaps over the past three seasons.

S Marcus Gilchrist

Contract: Four years, $22 million (guarantee: $8.5 million)

Outcome: He was the football equivalent of an "innings eater." He was out there a lot (90 percent of the snaps in two seasons), but he you didn't know it. He's gone, but not forgotten, as he's still counting $1.4 million on the 2018 cap.

G James Carpenter

Contract: Four years, $19.1 million (guarantee: $7.5 million)

Outcome: A terrific signing. He played close to a Pro Bowl level for two years before slipping a bit last season.

Keeping their own: The key signing was linebacker David Harris, who re-upped for three years, $21.5 million ($15 million guaranteed). He ran out of gas after two years, but it still was a solid move because of the intangibles he brought to the locker room.

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