Matt Stafford and Lions part ways

[dcJet]

Posters who are saying "Trade down this year and get the QB later."

I counter with "Trade down next year after we get our QB"   That's easier.

 

[bla bla bla]

1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

Another team who could be looking to trade up to #2...or for Sam. Beautiful. 

Issue then being he goes to a team that could have traded for Sam haha Unless he goes to the Pats but then that's a whole other headache

[Bronx]

55 minutes ago, juxsta said:

This would be the perfect timing for the Texans to move Deshaun to us. They acquire the #2 from us and instantly deal it to Detroit for #7 and some picks/players. It leaves them in a good spot to land one of the available QB's at 7 and build up their roster. Win..Win..Win for all.

That sounds more like a NY Jets plan, don't you think?

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

This probably hurts the trade sam option since he’d be a better win now option for a good team. 

But Darnold was never a "win now" option.  He's a project.  And I'm not just saying that because he is, I truly think he's perceived to be a project around the league.

[Wonderboy]

7 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Gotta agree here. As much as I want Watson and think this would be something we absolutely must pursue through completion...it has a pipe dream feel to it.

No harm chopping it up about the possibilities though. 
 

But reality is Darnold or Wilson will probably be our choices.

It’s a strong possibility we can get him. No one has the ammunition we have. Watson wants to come here. He wants out of Texas. The Fins don’t have what we can offer. Nor will they give up on Tua so quickly. It’s just a matter of JD staying patient and not getting played. What other team can offer Texas more? I don’t see it. Even if another team offers more, it would still be worth less than our #2 and a 1st next year. And Watson also has right of refusal.  This is bugged. I feel sorry for Texans because JD is no push over. He’s not going to bend over backwards. Saleh has already made an imprint on this organization. 

[Jetsfan80]

59 minutes ago, KRL said:

I've been harping on the Jets not to become HOU or DET.  Teams
with high priced, stat producing QB's but incomplete rosters
that don't win.  And now in the space of a week both teams are
in turmoil, coincidence?  I don't think so.  Build the roster
properly first then make a splash move.  Not the other way
around

Stafford and Watson are the only good things that happened to the Lions and Texans in decades.

That's not a reason to avoid acquiring a QB.  You just have to do better at building around one than the Texans and Lions did.  

[football guy]

7 minutes ago, morny said:

This a prediction or something you heard? 

Agent friend just spitballing in our group text

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

It’s a strong possibility we can get him. No one has the ammunition we have. Watson wants to come here. He wants out of Texas. The Fins don’t have what we can offer. Nor will they give up on Tua so quickly. It’s just a matter of JD staying patient and not getting played. What other team can offer Texas more? I don’t see it. Even if another team offers more, it would still be worth less than our #2 and a 1st next year. And Watson also has right of refusal.  This is bugged. I feel sorry for Texans because JD is no push over. He’s not going to bend over backwards. Saleh has already made an imprint on this organization. 

Agree but...

• Watson still hasn’t officially requested a trade.

• Texans have said they have no intention of trading him.

• Watson doesn’t have much leverage if Houston refuses to trade him. Sitting out will cost Watson a fortune.

• I think this is a Watson power play to get a coach he wants.

[Fantasy Island]

55 minutes ago, dcJet said:

We're not getting  d*ck for Sammy.  Too many QB's available.

we got a PSA about mono.

[clayton163v]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

I've been harping on the Jets not to become HOU or DET.  Teams
with high priced, stat producing QB's but incomplete rosters
that don't win.  And now in the space of a week both teams are
in turmoil, coincidence?  I don't think so.  Build the roster
properly first then make a splash move.  Not the other way
around

Exactly.

[QB1]

I don’t think the market for stafford will be that large 

we know his ceiling , he’s Kirk cousins 

[kevinc855]

Jet fans are SO cheap lol

SO scared of getting "fleeced"

Sometimes you gotta pay up to WIN!

HES A FRANCHISE QB AT 25!!!! GO GET HIM (WATSON THAT IS)

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, dcJet said:

Posters who are saying "Trade down this year and get the QB later."

I counter with "Trade down next year after we get our QB"   That's easier.

 

This year we have a #2 overall pick and this will potentially get a bounty.

We assumably are not going to be #2  overall next year.

If the GM loves Fields or wilson he should draft them at #2, if they can get watson at an acceptably price they should make that deal.

If they do not love fields or wilson and if the price for watson is too high you do not 'get s Qb' just because we have a need.

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Jet fans are SO cheap lol

SO scared of getting "fleeced"

Sometimes you gotta pay up to WIN!

HES A FRANCHISE QB AT 25!!!! GO GET HIM (WATSON THAT IS)

There is more than one way to build a team and win and be good long term.

No worries, I am sure Douglas is not listening to us on this forum.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

There is more than one way to build a team and win and be good long term.

No worries, I am sure Douglas is not listening to us on this forum.

The most effective way involves having an elite QB.  

[clayton163v]

1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

I'm not down with getting Watson but this is certainly logical as far as compensation. I'm just disappointed when many treat the 2nd overall pick as if it's some pick in the 20s and included it with a bundle of other 1st rounders. Is the 2 overall pick by itself not worth 3 first rounders or close to it?

Correct.

Ourlads' NFL Draft Value Chart

 

 

 

Round 1		Round 2		Round 3		Round 4		Round 5		Round 6		Round 7
1	3,000	33	580	65	265	97	112	129	43	161	27	193	14.2	225	1
2	2,600	34	560	66	260	98	108	130	42	162	26.6	194	13.8	226	1
3	2,200	35	550	67	255	99	104	131	41	163	26.2	195	13.4	227	1
4	1,800	36	540	68	250	100	100	132	40	164	25.8	196	13	228	1
5	1,700	37	530	69	245	101	96	133	39.5	165	25.4	197	12.6	229	1
6	1,600	38	520	70	240	102	92	134	39	166	25	198	12.2	230	1
7	1,500	39	510	71	235	103	88	135	38.5	167	24.6	199	11.8	231	1
8	1,400	40	500	72	230	104	86	136	38	168	24.2	200	11.4	232	1
9	1,350	41	490	73	225	105	84	137	37.5	169	23.8	201	11	233	1
10	1,300	42	480	74	220	106	82	138	37	170	23.4	202	10.6	234	1
11	1,250	43	470	75	215	107	80	139	36.5	171	23	203	10.2	235	1
12	1,200	44	460	76	210	108	78	140	36	172	22.6	204	9.8	236	1
13	1,150	45	450	77	205	109	76	141	35.5	173	22.2	205	9.4	237	1
14	1,100	46	440	78	200	110	74	142	35	174	21.8	206	9	238	1
15	1,050	47	430	79	195	111	72	143	34.5	175	21.4	207	8.6	239	1
16	1,000	48	420	80	190	112	70	144	34	176	21	208	8.2	240	1
17	950	49	410	81	185	113	68	145	33.5	177	20.6	209	7.8	241	1
18	900	50	400	82	180	114	66	146	33	178	20.2	210	7.4	242	1
19	875	51	390	83	175	115	64	147	32.6	179	19.8	211	7	243	1
20	850	52	380	84	170	116	62	148	32.2	180	19.4	212	6.6	244	1
21	800	53	370	85	165	117	60	149	31.8	181	19	213	6.2	245	1
22	780	54	360	86	160	118	58	150	31.4	182	18.6	214	5.8	246	1
23	760	55	350	87	155	119	56	151	31	183	18.2	215	5.4	247	1
24	740	56	340	88	150	120	54	152	30.6	184	17.8	216	5	248	1
25	720	57	330	89	145	121	52	153	30.2	185	17.4	217	4.6	249	1
26	700	58	320	90	140	122	50	154	29.8	186	17	218	4.2	250	1
27	680	59	310	91	136	123	49	155	29.4	187	16.6	219	3.8	251	1
28	660	60	300	92	132	124	48	156	29	188	16.2	220	3.4	252	1
29	640	61	292	93	128	125	47	157	28.6	189	15.8	221	3
30	620	62	284	94	124	126	46	158	28.2	190	15.4	222	2.6
31	600	63	276	95	120	127	45	159	27.8	191	15	223	2.3
32	590	64	270	96	116	128	44	160	27.4	192	14.6	224	2

[Adoni Beast]

1 minute ago, clayton163v said:

Correct.

Ourlads' NFL Draft Value Chart

 

 

 

Round 1		Round 2		Round 3		Round 4		Round 5		Round 6		Round 7
1	3,000	33	580	65	265	97	112	129	43	161	27	193	14.2	225	1
2	2,600	34	560	66	260	98	108	130	42	162	26.6	194	13.8	226	1
3	2,200	35	550	67	255	99	104	131	41	163	26.2	195	13.4	227	1
4	1,800	36	540	68	250	100	100	132	40	164	25.8	196	13	228	1
5	1,700	37	530	69	245	101	96	133	39.5	165	25.4	197	12.6	229	1
6	1,600	38	520	70	240	102	92	134	39	166	25	198	12.2	230	1
7	1,500	39	510	71	235	103	88	135	38.5	167	24.6	199	11.8	231	1
8	1,400	40	500	72	230	104	86	136	38	168	24.2	200	11.4	232	1
9	1,350	41	490	73	225	105	84	137	37.5	169	23.8	201	11	233	1
10	1,300	42	480	74	220	106	82	138	37	170	23.4	202	10.6	234	1
11	1,250	43	470	75	215	107	80	139	36.5	171	23	203	10.2	235	1
12	1,200	44	460	76	210	108	78	140	36	172	22.6	204	9.8	236	1
13	1,150	45	450	77	205	109	76	141	35.5	173	22.2	205	9.4	237	1
14	1,100	46	440	78	200	110	74	142	35	174	21.8	206	9	238	1
15	1,050	47	430	79	195	111	72	143	34.5	175	21.4	207	8.6	239	1
16	1,000	48	420	80	190	112	70	144	34	176	21	208	8.2	240	1
17	950	49	410	81	185	113	68	145	33.5	177	20.6	209	7.8	241	1
18	900	50	400	82	180	114	66	146	33	178	20.2	210	7.4	242	1
19	875	51	390	83	175	115	64	147	32.6	179	19.8	211	7	243	1
20	850	52	380	84	170	116	62	148	32.2	180	19.4	212	6.6	244	1
21	800	53	370	85	165	117	60	149	31.8	181	19	213	6.2	245	1
22	780	54	360	86	160	118	58	150	31.4	182	18.6	214	5.8	246	1
23	760	55	350	87	155	119	56	151	31	183	18.2	215	5.4	247	1
24	740	56	340	88	150	120	54	152	30.6	184	17.8	216	5	248	1
25	720	57	330	89	145	121	52	153	30.2	185	17.4	217	4.6	249	1
26	700	58	320	90	140	122	50	154	29.8	186	17	218	4.2	250	1
27	680	59	310	91	136	123	49	155	29.4	187	16.6	219	3.8	251	1
28	660	60	300	92	132	124	48	156	29	188	16.2	220	3.4	252	1
29	640	61	292	93	128	125	47	157	28.6	189	15.8	221	3
30	620	62	284	94	124	126	46	158	28.2	190	15.4	222	2.6
31	600	63	276	95	120	127	45	159	27.8	191	15	223	2.3
32	590	64	270	96	116	128	44	160	27.4	192	14.6	224	2

[Rangers9]

If the Jets I’d be interested enough to contact the Lions. His remaining two years contract pays him 43 million which isn’t bad. We might be able to get him without getting rid of our overall 2. Maybe the 23 could do it. Then we could trade Sam and maybe get a 2 or a 3. 

[clayton163v]

1 hour ago, dcJet said:

Yes, you are correct BUT, building a complete roster and not having a QB is bad too.  (INDY, SF, Rams, Jets w/Sanchez)

So the answer is to do both - build the team and get the QB (in any order).  KC order (Team first) or Arizona, Buf order (QB first).

Getting QB is harder, so if one pops into your lap, take him. (2017 draft lesson).

Buffalo has been drafting lights out for years.

[TexJet]

7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

There is more than one way to build a team and win and be good long term.

No worries, I am sure Douglas is not listening to us on this forum.

Thank God he's not!

[football guy]

I think there's a better chance of the Jets landing Stafford than Watson. Just don't see Houston trading Watson regardless what he wants

[Shockwave]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

I've been harping on the Jets not to become HOU or DET.  Teams
with high priced, stat producing QB's but incomplete rosters
that don't win.  And now in the space of a week both teams are
in turmoil, coincidence?  I don't think so.  Build the roster
properly first then make a splash move.  Not the other way
around

Stafford is absolutely signed to a Friendly QB Contract. Watson makes 10m next year and was just on a rookie contract. 

Both of players are exactly the opposite of the statement you're trying to make. They are not the cause of their teams being poorly constructed. Their teams both suck because of years of poor drafting and management. Not bc of either player above. 

 

[QB1]

11 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think there's a better chance of the Jets landing Stafford than Watson. Just don't see Houston trading Watson regardless what he wants

0% chance Douglas gives a single draft pick for stafford 

[Spoot-Face]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

He doesnt need to be traded for

[MykePM]

11 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think there's a better chance of the Jets landing Stafford than Watson. Just don't see Houston trading Watson regardless what he wants

Why would we want Stafford?  The allure of Watson is that he can be a top QB for at least the next 10 years, giving us plenty of time to build.  Stafford may only have a few good years left in him, and there's no guarantee that we'll be championship contenders by then.  This is an honest question, not a snarky rebuttal.

[Shockwave]

1 hour ago, football guy said:

The Stafford trade may be worked out by the Super Bowl. Hell it could even get worked out at the Senior Bowl. Reminds me when Alex Smith got traded to Washington on January 30 in 2018. 

Obviously anything could happen but wouldn't you think these teams wait on the Watson situation, then Stafford, Then Wentz etc. Kind of like how the HC"s went? Teams generally wait on best asset then move on etc?

[ScarletKnight89]

Pat McAfee has been talking a lot on his podcast about the Colts needing to make a trade for Matt Stafford.

I do think the Colts are a good fit.

[Skeet Ulrich]

17 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think there's a better chance of the Jets landing Stafford than Watson. Just don't see Houston trading Watson regardless what he wants

I think end result Watson gets his way and Texans hire Bieniemy to calm things down.

[hawk]

1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

I'm not down with getting Watson but this is certainly logical as far as compensation. I'm just disappointed when many treat the 2nd overall pick as if it's some pick in the 20s and included it with a bundle of other 1st rounders. Is the 2 overall pick by itself not worth 3 first rounders or close to it?

I'd rather give up 21, 23 and 2 1s next year in this scenario.  I'm not really an advocate of Watsons behavior, as it sets precedent.

[Gangrene]

It looks like the Lions will  save 14M and take a 19M hit in dead money on trading Stafford. Stafford's new team requiring 23.5M cap space for Stafford unless he signs a new back loaded deal.

Even if they had the players and draft choices, there is a quite a few cap strapped teams that might possibly need a QB who would struggle to fit Stafford under their cap. That list includes Houston (post Watson), New Orleans, Philly and Pittsburgh. The Rams, Giants, Bears would all look better with Stafford under center but they would struggle to fit him under the cap.

It's got to affect the trade market for Stafford. 

Presuming that he wants to go to a team with a legitimate chance to compete for the playoffs in 2021, possible destinations in the AFC with cap space, Colts,  Dolphins, and less likely in the NFC the 49'ers ...

It's unlikely the Patriots would give up the compensation; would he be willing to go to a roster that depleted ?

I presume he wants to win next year so that rules out  Washington, Jags, Jets, Panthers, Broncos.

[JETSfaninNE]

I've heard talk of Stafford to Pats for a couple months already up here.  Belichick really likes him, Pats would be a scary good landing spot for him if they can get him a couple speedy yac receivers.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, hawk said:

I'd rather give up 21, 23 and 2 1s next year in this scenario.  I'm not really an advocate of Watsons behavior, as it sets precedent.

The precedent that would be set is don't trade away the best WR in the game and alienate your QB, because he might want out.  

[football guy]

7 minutes ago, QB1 said:

0% chance Douglas gives a single draft pick for stafford 

Oh I agree I don't see a trade happening, but if a trade were to happen, they can probably get him by swapping 2021 1sts and sending a 2022 1st. They'd probably turn around and trade Darnold to the Colts or 49ers for a 2nd

[Tranquilo]

Just now, football guy said:

Oh I agree I don't see a trade happening, but if a trade were to happen, they can probably get him by swapping 2021 1sts and sending a 2022 1st. They'd probably turn around and trade Darnold to the Colts or 49ers for a 2nd

Why the hell would we do that 

[Joe W. Namath]

22 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think there's a better chance of the Jets landing Stafford than Watson. Just don't see Houston trading Watson regardless what he wants

I agree.  I think we should take wilson at 2 and rebuild from the ground up.

But, if Douglas likes stafford, Give the lions the 2nd pick in the draft and take their 7th pick and throw in a 3rd.