Embrace the Suck 3,117 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: I prefer bacon with my omelettes. If the Texans eat some of that Ludicrous salary and we only give up one of our Ones .. maybe,. lmfao.... Do you have a time machine that allows you to draft him a couple years back because that is what you're talking about. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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Stark 4,807 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I have no idea if Watson really wants to come here, but I doubt the 2-14 thing is all that important for several reasons. 1. The Jets have been viewed as one of the better landing spots for coaches this year, why wouldn't that apply to players. 2. There aren't that many teams that actually have all the resources that will be required to acquire him and stay within the cap. 3. Sports stars(mostly NBA) have been skewered for heading to these super teams to try and cement their legacies. 4. I think(just my opinion) the Dolphins aren't nearly as good as some make them out to be. They beat 1 team with a winning record. Just my 2 cents. also people are forgetting the Adam Gase Effect. We improved the moment he was fired. Gase is literally one of the worst HC ever. It’s not inconceivable to think we could and should have won more games last year but when the team is never prepared and looks like they aren’t coached at all we get the 2nd overall pick and wasted 2 years or our players careers and development. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Adoni Beast 4,116 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 Anyone complaining about acquiring Watson should realize we’d be getting an ELITE 25 yo QB. I’d say only Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahomes are better than Watson. Watson is on par with Russel Wilson as 3rd and 4th best. You get that guy and you never look back. There’s no “development stage” you get with a rookie. He’s set to go. 12 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Yeetin It 25 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, clayton163v said: I would love to add Watson. But at what price? I see it as too costly and we are far from contenders. My 2 cents. It’s not like he’s a 34 year old QB. He’s only 25. That leaves many years to build around him 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 33,655 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I have no idea if Watson really wants to come here, but I doubt the 2-14 thing is all that important for several reasons. 1. The Jets have been viewed as one of the better landing spots for coaches this year, why wouldn't that apply to players? 2. There aren't that many teams that actually have all the resources that will be required to acquire him and stay within the cap. 3. Sports stars(mostly NBA) have been skewered for heading to these super teams to try and cement their legacies. 4. I think(just my opinion) the Dolphins aren't nearly as good as some make them out to be. They beat 1 team with a winning record. Just my 2 cents. We were a desired spot due to massive draft resources and tons of cap room. We trade for watson and both of those are massively diminished. You can say , hey we now have a franchise QB, well in that case everyone and their dog should have been flocking to houston. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jetster 13,321 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: Anyone complaining about acquiring Watson should realize we’d be getting an ELITE 25 yo QB. I’d say only Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahomes are better than Watson. Watson is on par with Russel Wilson as 3rd and 4th best. You get that guy and you never look back. There’s no “development stage” you get with a rookie. He’s set to go. When do franchise QBs come available? Never. Even Favre was an unknown with potential. That’s probably why he’ll never come available unless their relationship is irreparable. Link to post Share on other sites
maury77 2,614 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Let's start praying that McCown gets the job in Houston. If he does, I offer the Seattle 1st this year, a 1 in 2022, a 1 in 2023 and Darnold. Jets would then be able to recoup picks by trading down from 2. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
RedBeardedSavage 2,395 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We were a desired spot due to massive draft resources and tons of cap room. We trade for watson and both of those are massively diminished. You can say , hey we now have a franchise QB, well in that case everyone and their dog should have been flocking to houston. Their owner sucks - so that’s the same here. Although, McNair does seem genuinely crazy, Woody is just incompetent. But we have a league respected GM, a highly sought after/respected new HC that’s implementing a desirable offensive system, and barring truly silly compensation, the cupboard wouldn’t be bare, just diminished. There is a reasonable middle ground where we pay an expensive, but fair price and get Watson without mortgaging the future. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Blackout 63,373 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Beaver said: How does Watson know Saleh? I’m just curious why Saleh means so much to him. He gave him a life saving kidney transplant when Watson was a kid 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 33,655 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: Anyone complaining about acquiring Watson should realize we’d be getting an ELITE 25 yo QB. I’d say only Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahomes are better than Watson. Watson is on par with Russel Wilson as 3rd and 4th best. You get that guy and you never look back. There’s no “development stage” you get with a rookie. He’s set to go. All true but there is always a cost analysis and you need to measure the cost not just in nebulous '1st rounders' but in actual potential players you could get with the assets we will have to give up. I just did a mock where I traded down twice from #2 overall Lets assume we give up both 1sts this year and our 1st next year for watson. The results end up like this: Devonta Smith - WR Jaycee Horn - CB Travis Etienne - RB Jalen Mayfield - OT Joe Tryon - Edge 2022 1st rounder (our own) 2022 1st rounder (we got for trading down) for Deshaun Watson 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JiF 150,149 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Like, at this point, I’m going to be mad at JD if he doesn’t pull this off. Like @bla bla bla showed, you can easily still build around Watson even if you have to give up a ransom of picks 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post HawkeyeJet 10,699 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We were a desired spot due to massive draft resources and tons of cap room. We trade for watson and both of those are massively diminished. You can say , hey we now have a franchise QB, well in that case everyone and their dog should have been flocking to houston. The Jets would still have plenty of resources both in draft capital and salary cap with Watson. Do people anticipate the Jets trading 7 picks for him? 6 Link to post Share on other sites
RogerVick1980 13 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 28 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I have no idea if Watson really wants to come here, but I doubt the 2-14 thing is all that important for several reasons. 1. The Jets have been viewed as one of the better landing spots for coaches this year, why wouldn't that apply to players? 2. There aren't that many teams that actually have all the resources that will be required to acquire him and stay within the cap. 3. Sports stars(mostly NBA) have been skewered for heading to these super teams to try and cement their legacies. 4. I think(just my opinion) the Dolphins aren't nearly as good as some make them out to be. They beat 1 team with a winning record. Just my 2 cents. Yep..Sure theyres tons of teams better then the Jets who would love Deshaun but how many of them can fit him under the cap and also give Houston a ton of picks to appease them? Also yeah the Jets suck but things can change quickly in the NFL especially with a franchise Qb..Rosters change drastically year to year because of the hardcap..You can become good overnight in this league if you have somebody making the right moves.. The idea that it would take years to become good if we get Watson is foolish if we handle this correctly. Link to post Share on other sites
Bronx 835 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: I prefer bacon with my omelettes. If the Texans eat some of that Ludicrous salary and we only give up one of our Ones .. maybe,. Yeah we are definitely calling the shots here...yeah Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 33,655 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, HawkeyeJet said: The Jets would still have plenty of resources both in draft capital and salary cap with Watson. Do people anticipate the Jets trading 7 picks for him? look at my post two above yours to see what we might be trading for him. And those are just the type of players available, you can replace devonta smith with pitts etc. We can get watson or we can totally remake the team and have like 3 first rounders next year to chase a QB. Watson, mahommes, herbert, all sorts of guys are there in which you do not have to mortgage the resources to get. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Bronx 835 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said: Shoulder injury - Wilson 1 - Watson 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 It is in Watson's best interests to have the Jets expend as little as possible capital in a supposed trade. Texans are in a tough spot here. They will make every effort to retain and appease him, one would think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RogerVick1980 13 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: All true but there is always a cost analysis and you need to measure the cost not just in nebulous '1st rounders' but in actual potential players you could get with the assets we will have to give up. I just did a mock where I traded down twice from #2 overall Lets assume we give up both 1sts this year and our 1st next year for watson. The results end up like this: Devonta Smith - WR Jaycee Horn - CB Travis Etienne - RB Jalen Mayfield - OT Joe Tryon - Edge 2022 1st rounder (our own) 2022 1st rounder (we got for trading down) for Deshaun Watson A top 3-5 Qb at the age of 25 is worth all of that and more.. the Qb position is so much more valuable then any other position Even if we got all those players in the draft the chances they all become very good isn’t great but let’s say hypothetically they all do for the sake of the argument.. We still have no Qb so even if they hit we aren’t going anywhere till we get it right at that position. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
chad2coles 109 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We were a desired spot due to massive draft resources and tons of cap room. We trade for watson and both of those are massively diminished. You can say , hey we now have a franchise QB, well in that case everyone and their dog should have been flocking to houston. And how would they get there when the Texans have no draft picks or cap room? Link to post Share on other sites
Greenseed4 5,111 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, Beerfish said: All true but there is always a cost analysis and you need to measure the cost not just in nebulous '1st rounders' but in actual potential players you could get with the assets we will have to give up. I just did a mock where I traded down twice from #2 overall Lets assume we give up both 1sts this year and our 1st next year for watson. The results end up like this: Devonta Smith - WR Jaycee Horn - CB Travis Etienne - RB Jalen Mayfield - OT Joe Tryon - Edge 2022 1st rounder (our own) 2022 1st rounder (we got for trading down) for Deshaun Watson I would question using a double-trade down as the comparison, but yes, this is the debate in JDs head. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post HawkeyeJet 10,699 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We can get watson or we can totally remake the team and have like 3 first rounders next year to chase a QB. So why would you be ok to use multiple 1st round picks to "chase a QB" next year? Isn't that exactly what you are opposed to doing for Watson, who is proven wheras whatever QB you "chase" is a complete crap shoot. I don't get that stance at all. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites
chad2coles 109 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: So why would you be ok to use multiple 1st round picks to "chase a QB" next year? Isn't that exactly what you are opposed to doing for Watson, who is proven wheras whatever QB you "chase" is a complete crap shoot. I don't get that stance at all. The great thing about future draft picks is they never disappoint Because they haven’t been made yet. If we trade enough of our Picks we could eventually have every pick of the 2030 first round. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
pointman 4,976 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Watson to Robinson all day. Becton in at RB for fun when we secure each game by a 3 touchdown margin. Championships. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Wit 166 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I legit can’t deal with this anymore. I was JUST getting over this due to McNair apologizing. my heart can’t take this guys. Please help. Link to post Share on other sites
kevinc855 2,783 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The hottest hc candidate And hottest qb on the market both wanted... to come to the Jets! The stars are aligning! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
peekskill68 1,990 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 19 minutes ago, Beerfish said: All true but there is always a cost analysis and you need to measure the cost not just in nebulous '1st rounders' but in actual potential players you could get with the assets we will have to give up. That's my point too. Suppose you could get a guy like Lattimore from NO for pick #23, a mid round pick and/or Darnold. That's a 24 yr Pro Bowl CB and the Saints are in cap hell. There's a lot more going on here for JD to think about than just throwing first rounders at Houston to get Watson... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Embrace the Suck 3,117 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, kevinc855 said: The hottest hc candidate And hottest qb on the market both wanted... to come to the Jets! The stars are aligning! For the end times. Link to post Share on other sites
Dunnie 2,529 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Yeetin It said: It’s not like he’s a 34 year old QB. He’s only 25. That leaves many years to build around him you do understand that his contract is north of 100 million right ?? Edited January 23 by Dunnie Link to post Share on other sites
IndianaJet 3,575 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 25 minutes ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said: So he's missed one game in the last three years? Sign me up. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
flgreen 28,682 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 56 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: If the Dolphins are out then there’s literally only us standing there for this guy. Douglas is going to fleece Houston IMO this is the take that is going to determine if Watson comes to the Jets, IF , he is traded. The Fish are making noise like they are happy with Tua, and unlike the Jets on Sam, have announced him as the starter. There just isn't any Watson mania down here like up in NY. if the Dolphins aren't interested, IMO the price will be a lot cheaper. Going to be a real interesting 4 months. Link to post Share on other sites
Wonderboy 4,570 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Greensleeves said: Bingo! The money he would make on endorsements would far outweigh the loss in taxes. Endorsements. Right! Damn I need some ginkgo Biloba Link to post Share on other sites
Icer 3,255 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The #2 pick, a 2022 1st, and a 2023 1st Still a bunch of draft capital and cap space to put pieces around him. Make it happen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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