NYJ1 1,706 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... 5 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post southparkcpa 7,941 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... Bowles was a soldier. bit his tongue but knew the talent sucked. 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Icer 3,216 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 Todd Bowles trash assistants had as much to do with his sucking here as Bic Mac 14 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetlife33 4,727 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Combination of front office players and coaches. It’s all sucked. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jet_Engine1 12,526 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 OP spelled "Ownership" wrong. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BurnleyJet 8,831 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... Gase was shocking, but I take your point about GM. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bronx 812 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: However, they were ALL good enough coaches SAR I, is that you? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BettyBoop 2,698 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... Are you drunk? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 33,498 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Bowles was a terrible coach that got at least one more year than he deserved. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsfan4life90 613 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 29 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... Bowles may be a good coordinator/assistant, but he was a terrible head coach. We'll see what he does if he gets a 2nd go around elsewhere. Gase is just terrible, period. He was as bad, if not, worse than Bowles if that's even possible. Rex Ryan did good when he had talent around him, but as it eroded, his buffoonery caught up to him and his weaknesses as a coach. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlito1171 2,298 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 You lost me at Adam Gase was a good enough coach...... 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFanatic 6,285 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 37 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... Some coaches are much better coordinators than Head Coaches. While the GM sucked, Bowles did not do a good job as HC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe W. Namath 5,004 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 53 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... No they werent. They are all horrible head coaches. That is y none of them are currently head coaches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYJ1 1,706 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 57 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Bowles was a soldier. bit his tongue but knew the talent sucked. Yes he was, but Rex and Gase were faced with the very same impossible plight. The bottom line is the ONLY way Robert Saleh will be successful is if Joe Douglas knows how to do his job..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southparkcpa 7,941 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, NYJ1 said: Yes he was, but Rex and Gase were faced with the very same impossible plight. The bottom line is the ONLY way Robert Saleh will be successful is if Joe Douglas knows how to do his job..... GM maybe the most important position in football. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPitch 2,327 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Theres a point of diminishing returns. Lenin said everyone will eventually be promoted to the position they are finally incompetent and that Was bowles. just because hes the dc of a sb team doesnt mean he can make it as a head coach. He sucked and was in over his head in most regards, and thats ok. hes back where he belongs and quite frankly the bucs d is who won tonight. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYJ1 1,706 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 39 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Bowles was a terrible coach that got at least one more year than he deserved. You're not understanding the larger issue here... Bowles, just like anyone else could NEVER win with the Jets roster. Whether you think he's a good coach or not is not relevant. NO ONE could win with the Jets roster.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYJ1 1,706 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Jetlife33 said: Combination of front office players and coaches. It’s all sucked. Very true Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYJ1 1,706 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 52 minutes ago, Bronx said: SAR I, is that you? No, but I'm filling in for him today... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt39 42,693 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Bowles couldnt wait to punt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony Jet 2,364 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Bowles was a lot better than he gets credit for around here, that being said he wasn’t a good HC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NYJ1 1,706 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 You all seem to be stuck in 1st gear? Critique toilet all you'd like, you're pissing up a rope if you think you know what he could have achieved with a decent roster? He was SCREWED regardless of his individual coaching prowess and so was Gase and Rex.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 7,989 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 the QB was always the problem here. QB is the only thing that matters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe W. Namath 5,004 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: the QB was always the problem here. QB is the only thing that matters. The texans say hi 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 7,989 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said: The texans say hi Stop. Watson may not really be that good. Much like Kirk Cousins. Numbers aren't everything. You know what, you convinced me. I'm out on Watson. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Bleedin Green 79,941 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 Gase has never been good at a single thing throughout his entire coaching career other than perhaps convincing some people about whatever it is he supposedly contributed while he stood around on the sideline picking his nose watching Peyton Manning. As has always been the case with the history of this team, more than one person can be incompetent at their jobs at the same time, and the failures of one does not magically exonerate all others. I will never understand the constant inability of some around here to comprehend that very simple reality. 3 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lith 17,599 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: As has always been the case with the history of this team, more than one person can be incompetent at their jobs at the same time, and the failures of one does not magically exonerate all others. This. When a team is as bad as we have been for the last decade, there is a lot wroing with the team. Ownership, GM, Coaching, players. It has been bad at all levels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreenFish 4,261 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Rex won when he had talent. So, that confirms your theory of him specifically. Gase...I don’t know. Seems like he needs to be in a perfect situation to be successful. He’s a bad HC. Bowles. I don’t know. He’ll get another shot to prove himself at some point. My view is the GM has been the main issue, but the HC get some blame not developing players. Gase did an awful job working with Darnold. And Rex did an awful job working with Sanchez. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlito1171 2,298 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, NYJ1 said: You all seem to be stuck in 1st gear? Critique toilet all you'd like, you're pissing up a rope if you think you know what he could have achieved with a decent roster? He was SCREWED regardless of his individual coaching prowess and so was Gase and Rex.... He went 10-6 when he had actual NFL talent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeddEY 262,268 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Ryan Fitzpatrick was the best QB Bowles ever got. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
varjet 3,840 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Looking at the last round of HC hires, the NFL appears to be looking for younger, dynamic, visionary CEO leader types. Saleh was able to convert himself into one. Bowles is another good coordinator, and Arians is on the radio saying that he would be a good HC with a good GM. But he got passed over, and I don't know when his number gets called again. At least Bowles is a good DC-do we even know what Beinemy does? Bowles' best chance may be to succeed Arians at TB, but he needs to work on his CEO skills. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carlito1171 2,298 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 53 minutes ago, varjet said: Looking at the last round of HC hires, the NFL appears to be looking for younger, dynamic, visionary CEO leader types. Saleh was able to convert himself into one. Bowles is another good coordinator, and Arians is on the radio saying that he would be a good HC with a good GM. But he got passed over, and I don't know when his number gets called again. At least Bowles is a good DC-do we even know what Beinemy does? Bowles' best chance may be to succeed Arians at TB, but he needs to work on his CEO skills. Agree 100% 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pointman 4,959 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, NYJ1 said: Todd Bowles made some questionable decisions in NY. Rex Ryan made some questionable decisions in NY. Adam Gase made a LOT of questionable decisions in NY. However, they were ALL good enough coaches. The GM meaning THREE people who need not be named, could NEVER give the HC the talent necessary to win. I know I'll get a lot of sh*t for this and I don't disagree with Rex, Bowles, and Gase being fired, but I submit to you they screwed all along. There's no way they could have win with how little talent this team had.... Vote to ban is currently in process. Thank you for your understanding everyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheNuuFaaolaExperience 2,138 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Bowles had an awful GM, but he didn't make it any better. Clock management was an issue, which included taking time outs in the 3rd quarter or early in the 4th. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
varjet 3,840 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 What is the difference between Bowles and Vic Fangio? Could Bowles develop into Ron Rivera? I think that is his HC ceiling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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