32EBoozer 8,154 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30770584/houston-texans-coaching-decision-affect-deshaun-watson-desire-leave-sources-say Cant paste the article from Schefter. Really, what option does Houston have? The horses are out of the barn and Houston has no idea of how to get them back in. The incoming coach(no matter who he is) will have a disaster on his hands even if Mngmt. refuses to trade Watson. Only winning can change things and Texans play in a tough division with no 1st or 2nd rd. picks. Frazier, Biennemy, Bowles or McCown have a decision. Lose the next 2 years with Watson and a depleted roster or trade him, restock with a new Qb, and additional pieces moving forward. Fans upset but at management. You have 2 seasons to show positive progress with two 1st rd. picks in ‘22 & ‘23. This is a no brainer. That’s a good situation for any coach to walk into. You’re choice of Qb and the ability to build around him. You may say that’s what the Jets should do...... but you have a much better situation for Watson here in NY. We still have 1st rd. picks this year and next plus 4 additional top 100 picks plus two 5th (130, 138) & pick 162 and 215. We also have over $70 m in cap space and a few key pieces in place. Add to this a complete coaching staff headed up by a passionate leader of men with great communication skills and an understanding of what it takes to win! I would get my Watson jersey tomorrow if it were available. Beef up the OL and Edge in FA, draft another top WR and CB in draft and fill in the pieces. 8-8 or better next year. Go Jets! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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32EBoozer 8,154 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 And I don’t give a damn if there are 15 other threads on this. 50% of those that voted want Watson.... I don’t give a crap about Buffalo/KC. I want Watson! 4 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
choon328 6,603 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, 32EBoozer said: And I don’t give a damn if there are 15 other threads on this. 50% of those that voted want Watson.... I don’t give a crap about Buffalo/KC. I want Watson! Stunad 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post FidelioJet 10,868 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 Watson is staying in Houston. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPitch 2,943 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Fools gold 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
32EBoozer 8,154 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, choon328 said: Stunad Way to make it personal little man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post freestater 15,664 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 Smoke just met fire at my house... 5 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
choon328 6,603 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Way to make it personal little man. Way to spam the board little girl 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
32EBoozer 8,154 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Jan 24, 2021 Joe Thomas @joethomas73 …I think what this season proved is that coaching can make a difference in the NFL but it is about 1/10th of the difference that QB play is. The difference between the best coach and the worst coach in the NFL is small; the difference between the best QB and the worst is eons 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Beerfish 38,718 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 Yeah the difference between Andy Reid and Adam Gase is minuscule. 5 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot Killa 24,870 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Jan 24, 2021 Joe Thomas @joethomas73 …I think what this season proved is that coaching can make a difference in the NFL but it is about 1/10th of the difference that QB play is. The difference between the best coach and the worst coach in the NFL is small; the difference between the best QB and the worst is eons I don’t agree. The best coaches can make the middling QB’s really good with plays that manufacture open men, easy throws, easier reads, etc. Now you absolutely need the guy to make decent decision but nah coaches are not 1/10th as important. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
32EBoozer 8,154 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I don’t agree. The best coaches can make the middling QB’s really good with plays that manufacture open men, easy throws, easier reads, etc. Now you absolutely need the guy to make decent decision but nah coaches are not 1/10th as important. Tell that to future HOF Joe Thomas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Jetsfan80 127,339 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 17 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Yeah the difference between Andy Reid and Adam Gase is minuscule. Yet he was called a playoff choker until he decided to trade up for Pat Mahomes. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JetsYanks13 1,685 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Tell that to future HOF Joe Thomas.That’s his opinion, doesn’t make him right. He wouldn’t know a good QB or good coach if he saw one. The ones he played with or was coached by as well as his teams sucked. On another note, he hates the Jets so he can go F himself. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot Killa 24,870 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Tell that to future HOF Joe Thomas. I think he’s wrong, respectfully. The perfect NFL trifecta is the GM-Coach-QB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 10,868 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yet he was called a playoff choker until he decided to trade up for Pat Mahomes. QB in the NFL is the single most important thing in all of sports. NFL HC has the most impact of any coach in all of sports. Good coaches can show themselves as good coaches like Andy before Mahomes, they become great coaches when they find their QB. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Larz 73,374 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 You guys realize that you have to give away equivalent value to get him., right? Didnt we just go through the whole “we have a QB but no team around him “ deal? what was his record without Hopkins? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joewilly12 27,737 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 30 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Yeah the difference between Andy Reid and Adam Gase is minuscule. To be fair AG never had EB by his side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FidelioJet 10,868 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I just don't buy it. If Watson is as good as I'm being told by all of you...he should be able to carry his team to at least being competitive. If he isn't then I certainly don't want to trade away 3 first round picks for him. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
football guy 4,016 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I don't want to fuel another thread on this, but might as well say it: The reason why we're seeing all these media narratives that he wants out if Houston is because Watson has absolutely zero power. His reps need to do something to try and make it seem like Watson has a say, but he doesn't... they're trying to force the Texans hand because the Texans hold all of the cards, and if Watson wants to go the sabotage route the Texans can just fine him. His reps know the Texans won't trade him, hence why they're airing out the grievances in the media. Is it possible the Texans trade him? Of course. But they will do it if they want to do it, not because Watson wants it. Matthew Stafford is going to get traded. Did we hear any of this nonsense? Nope., because the team and he mutually agreed. If Detroit said no, you'd probably see a lot of the same "Stafford wants out" getting aired out in the media as well. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 38,718 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 18 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yet he was called a playoff choker until he decided to trade up for Pat Mahomes. Oh with pat mahommes the jets would be playing right now for the chance to go to the super bowl with adam gase as coach. Literally no reason for the jets to change coaches this past season. Just trade 5 first rounders for watson and all will be good. Watson, gase and the jets as they are are easily a playoff team and most likely here in place of buffalo. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waka Flocka Flacco 694 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Larz said: Didnt we just go through the whole “we have a QB but no team around him “ deal? Um. No? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot Killa 24,870 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, football guy said: Is it possible the Texans trade him? Of course. But they will do it if they want to do it, not because Watson wants it. Watson can make this really embarrassing for them if he wants to. He can absolutely force their hand in the media. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetophile 73,504 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 AlI I got from the thread title is that the Jets FO are children who shouldn't play with matches. Then again, why not, maybe The New Dump burns to rhe ground with nobdy in it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wit 536 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 minutes ago, football guy said: I don't want to fuel another thread on this, but might as well say it: The reason why we're seeing all these media narratives that he wants out if Houston is because Watson has absolutely zero power. His reps need to do something to try and make it seem like Watson has a say, but he doesn't... they're trying to force the Texans hand because the Texans hold all of the cards, and if Watson wants to go the sabotage route the Texans can just fine him. His reps know the Texans won't trade him, hence why they're airing out the grievances in the media. Is it possible the Texans trade him? Of course. But they will do it if they want to do it, not because Watson wants it. Matthew Stafford is going to get traded. Did we hear any of this nonsense? Nope., because the team and he mutually agreed. If Detroit said no, you'd probably see a lot of the same "Stafford wants out" getting aired out in the media as well. You’re making a lot of sense from a pure agent perspective, but reports saying that the environment and situation inside the team is very toxic. Watson can air the dirty laundry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southtown24th 3,517 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: And I don’t give a damn if there are 15 other threads on this. 50% of those that voted want Watson.... I don’t give a crap about Buffalo/KC. I want Watson! cool story mom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T0mShane 143,542 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: Jan 24, 2021 Joe Thomas @joethomas73 …I think what this season proved is that coaching can make a difference in the NFL but it is about 1/10th of the difference that QB play is. The difference between the best coach and the worst coach in the NFL is small; the difference between the best QB and the worst is eons Hmmmmm but what if you gave that coach Sam Darnold and Penei Sewell hmmmmmmm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoadFan 6,041 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 32 minutes ago, football guy said: I don't want to fuel another thread on this, but might as well say it: The reason why we're seeing all these media narratives that he wants out if Houston is because Watson has absolutely zero power. His reps need to do something to try and make it seem like Watson has a say, but he doesn't... they're trying to force the Texans hand because the Texans hold all of the cards, and if Watson wants to go the sabotage route the Texans can just fine him. His reps know the Texans won't trade him, hence why they're airing out the grievances in the media. Is it possible the Texans trade him? Of course. But they will do it if they want to do it, not because Watson wants it. Matthew Stafford is going to get traded. Did we hear any of this nonsense? Nope., because the team and he mutually agreed. If Detroit said no, you'd probably see a lot of the same "Stafford wants out" getting aired out in the media as well. I read your posts carefully, and value your "insider" snippets. But I fail to see the difference here with Watson; from players like Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey, and Antonio Brown? Ngakoue? Eli Manning? It seems if a quality player wants out publicly, he has leverage to me... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
football guy 4,016 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Watson can make this really embarrassing for them if he wants to. He can absolutely force their hand in the media. No, he really can't make it any more embarrassing than it already is. He can sit out, but then the Texans can fine him $40,000 per day as a no-show and retain his forfeited game checks, all the while the Texans "tank" and make a decision to trade him when they decide to the following year for the same amount. His situation is not too far off from the Carson Palmer situation. Carson retired because the Bengals had zero motivation to trade him. They wouldn't even trade him after they drafted Any Dalton. It was only after he started the season 6-2 would they begin to entertain offers for Carson. Unless a team blows them away with like 5 1st round picks, I don't think the Texans budge. 11 minutes ago, Wit said: You’re making a lot of sense from a pure agent perspective, but reports saying that the environment and situation inside the team is very toxic. Watson can air the dirty laundry. It's toxic because they're losing and weren't an attractive head coaching destination. Meanwhile it was just as toxic last offseason, yet Watson signed a 4 year extension on September 3... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
football guy 4,016 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 22 minutes ago, RoadFan said: I read your posts carefully, and value your "insider" snippets. But I fail to see the difference here with Watson; from players like Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey, and Antonio Brown? Ngakoue? Eli Manning? It seems if a quality player wants out publicly, he has leverage to me... First things first, any non-QB should even be mentioned. Second, a lot of these players were angling for new contracts, which is not similar to Watson who signed his agreement 5 months ago. Second, notice anything about many of these moves? The teams overpaid. Hence... the only way the Texans will move is if they're motivated to move. Eli Manning is a legitimate one, however, he wasn't even in the NFL yet and he threatened from Day 1 that he would not play for the team, period. Meanwhile, Giants severely overpaid to jump what amounted to 3 spots. Jamal Adams requested a trade after he heard the Jets were entertaining offers for him. Seahawks severely overpaid for him. Jalen Ramsey had become a problem in Jacksonville, fighting with the coaches and acting out in practice. He requested a trade because he didn't want to play on a losing team (he claimed it was because Coughlin and Caldwell said "disrespectful things" to him after a game which he got into a verbal altercation with the HC on the sideline." Coughlin was tired of the antics and saw that he was moved. Ngakoue was a contract dispute, and the Jags were unwilling to pay him a long-term contract. The Steelers wanted to move on from Antonio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunnie 3,488 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 47 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Watson can make this really embarrassing for them if he wants to. He can absolutely force their hand in the media. He could .. and that would be a guy i want NO part of. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zachtomims47 5,978 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Dunnie said: He could .. and that would be a guy i want NO part of. Nah I’d still take him. Come on down. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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